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Quote by Leonidas...


Men have a natural drive and inclination to assert dominance, and establish and defend territory. They are built for it, both physically, and in their mental and emotional makeup. They are the natural masters of our species.

Women are naturally inclined to admire and submit to male dominance. They want to live within his territory, under his sovereign rule, and decorate it. They are simply built for it, both physically and in their mental and emotional makeup. They are the natural slaves of our species.

Are the above statements true, or false? Neither, of course. They are generalizations. We as Goreans believe that they hold true for men and women taken as groups. They could be absolutely false, however, when applied to any given man, or woman. Does that necessarily mean that the man or woman for whom the generalization does not fit is confused or doesn't know their place? No, not really. They may genuinely be an "exception that makes the rule". They could also be a product of social conditioning, the point of which is to make both men and women distrust their natural inclinations and desires. It would take a wiser man than me to tell the difference at a glance.
It is the "morality of masters" that we, as Goreans, believe in, not Male Supremecy, sometimes aka (the Natural Order). The notion that having a cock entitles you to mastery is about as 180 degress from Gorean philosophy as you can get. If you were born with one, mastery is your birthright, but a birthright that still must be claimed. If you are not fit to claim it, you will not. Period. If you would be equal, you must become equal, not just protest that you are. A man may be a slave. He may only be fit to be a slave, and rightfully a slave. He may not, however, attempt to impose the morality of slaves upon me. By choosing to live on his knees, he has acknowledged himself not an equal, and I will not regard him as such.

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ORIGINAL: xBullx
If fact,  it doesn't matter whether or not a man knows his subject to simply master it in some way. I assume you are speaking about the female being mastered. Clear it up if I assumed incorrectly. He can comquer to some degree and get positive results by merely insisting that his property obey and beat it or punish in some way if the results are not to HIS standard. So yes, he can master something to a certain degree with only knowing what he wants from the subject of contention.

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Yet, there is the perfect mastery, or obtaining absolute obedience and optimal performance from the property as well. One can drive and drive a car, have only a small operational awareness and get a certain degree of performance for a certain amount of time. BUT, as we both know, if a man wants the best possible perforance out of his car, or his slut he can do himself a tremendous favor by studying his subject, understanding it and in effect esatblishing the perfect mastery of the beast, or his car.

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ORIGINAL: aeaa

Greetings Master Bull...

aea would think that indeed for optimum results knowledge would be something pertinent to mastering of anything - be it a delicious piece of exquisite slave meat or a sleek, smooth Lamborghini.
 
Thank you as always, Master.
 
aea

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ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer

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ORIGINAL: xBullx
If fact,  it doesn't matter whether or not a man knows his subject to simply master it in some way. I assume you are speaking about the female being mastered. Clear it up if I assumed incorrectly. He can comquer to some degree and get positive results by merely insisting that his property obey and beat it or punish in some way if the results are not to HIS standard. So yes, he can master something to a certain degree with only knowing what he wants from the subject of contention.

That don't work any too good with critters, and humans are just more complicated critters. 

I'll agree, but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I do think I expressed indirectly it wouldn't be as effective as the latter example, but it does happen, even if not all to well. I like to use this analogy with that type of mastery style, it will work just fine until you destroy the spirits hope or until it is more afraid of something else than it is you. I think you can draw from my thoughts this would not be a preferred method of mine, I have though seen men that had girls that this is how it was, no emotion envolved, just enforced slavery. My attempt was to demonstrate the method is in fact up to the man, egffective or not.

It might be good to mention that in a society, as ours is with consensual slavery, it will most likely be a very short lived mastery. I have said it before, and I'll gladly repeat it, I do believe that the slavery that we in this form of domination must in fact be more accomplished than our brothern in the novels.

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Yet, there is the perfect mastery, or obtaining absolute obedience and optimal performance from the property as well. One can drive and drive a car, have only a small operational awareness and get a certain degree of performance for a certain amount of time. BUT, as we both know, if a man wants the best possible perforance out of his car, or his slut he can do himself a tremendous favor by studying his subject, understanding it and in effect esatblishing the perfect mastery of the beast, or his car.

Well spoken, and it definitely applies to beasts whether they have two legs or four (or none).

Just a perspective from the critter side, which may or may not have anything to do with either Gorean men or Masters.

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ORIGINAL: xBullx
I'll agree, but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I do think I expressed indirectly it wouldn't be as effective as the latter example, but it does happen, even if not all to well. I like to use this analogy with that type of mastery style, it will work just fine until you destroy the spirits hope or until it is more afraid of something else than it is you. I think you can draw from my thoughts this would not be a preferred method of mine, I have though seen men that had girls that this is how it was, no emotion envolved, just enforced slavery. My attempt was to demonstrate the method is in fact up to the man, egffective or not.