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Children of Gor... - 6/3/2007 7:16:02 AM   
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Greetings,

Lately I have noticed a trend, it may have been going on forever but I was slow on the uptake.   Where do the younguns come from?  The 19-22 yr old women who have been "in the lifestyle" for 4-5-6 or more years?   

How do they get exposed to any form of submission, let alone have knowledge of the gor books?  I'm a bit old fashioned, I realize this, but does a thirteen or fourteen year old girl have the ability to make such decisions?

Just curious, where they are coming from and if maybe society is raising more mature children these days and if that is really a good thing.   Is the female of our species evolving to reproduce earlier and earlier?  The faster we climb that technological ladder, does that put women into overdrive to mature and procreate?

Im wondering if it is evolution or food additives such as steroids and hormones, or..what?     Whatever happened to Barbie and Ken, the Malibu beach house and hot pink sports car?

Wishing everyone a splendid Sunday, with just the right amount of sunshine :)

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RE: Children of Gor... - 6/3/2007 7:25:37 AM   
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Hi Lisa,

I'm 35 and I can tell you at 14, I was into power-based relationships and bondage, so I don't think it is much different today. I was raised by very strict parents and attended all girls prep schools too.  I would say girls are maturing faster then say my parents generation but I'm not sure it is much faster than my own. Maybe the people in my age group were the start of it but gosh even in 6th grade we were all boy crazy. They get exposed from TV and the internet, from their friends, from their very own fantasies that many girls start having at age 4,5,6..of being dominated, hurt, taken, posessed or of dominating, hurting, taking and possessing. My owner is 50 and he was into S&M and power based dynamics as young teen as well with girls and that was the 70's.

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Greetings,

Lately I have noticed a trend, it may have been going on forever but I was slow on the uptake.   Where do the younguns come from?  The 19-22 yr old women who have been "in the lifestyle" for 4-5-6 or more years?   

How do they get exposed to any form of submission, let alone have knowledge of the gor books?  I'm a bit old fashioned, I realize this, but does a thirteen or fourteen year old girl have the ability to make such decisions?

Just curious, where they are coming from and if maybe society is raising more mature children these days and if that is really a good thing.   Is the female of our species evolving to reproduce earlier and earlier?  The faster we climb that technological ladder, does that put women into overdrive to mature and procreate?

Im wondering if it is evolution or food additives such as steroids and hormones, or..what?     Whatever happened to Barbie and Ken, the Malibu beach house and hot pink sports car?

Wishing everyone a splendid Sunday, with just the right amount of sunshine :)

Lisa




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RE: Children of Gor... - 6/3/2007 7:36:36 AM   
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Greetings Lisa,

Where fyre came from culturally and geographically where she is now,both, have a long history of woman marrying in teens and having babies young.
It was accepted socially and religiously.

fyre thought that it was being moved away from in this day and age.

fyre does remember having thoughts of being taken when like 8/9 yrs old and being a bit 'o' kinky in her late teens ........

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RE: Children of Gor... - 6/3/2007 7:43:25 AM   
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While not Gorean, I had known about the BDSM lifestyle and my place in it from WAY back. Well before I was open about my involvement.  I think it is because the books are easily findable and mostly not considered "sexual material" by parents that dont understand.  They can be written off as fictional reading and disregarded. So, younger people can read them without too much trouble. Something else I have noticed, while not advocating, is that someone who looks old enough to be involved (whethe or not they are legal) has no problem fiding someone to involve themselves with. When was the last time someone checked your ID before getting intimate?

Just my ideas,
DV

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RE: Children of Gor... - 6/3/2007 8:31:56 AM   
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Without refuting what others have said, consider that girls and women sometimes lie--or at least replace "fantasy" with "experience."

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RE: Children of Gor... - 6/3/2007 12:20:20 PM   
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Tal A/all,
Kids today are exposed to more "adult" material than at any time in our history. I'm including the fact that they can research themselves on the internet thus exploring any feelings they may have long before children prior to the internet. Add to the mix the backlash to feminism where boys are now being abusive to their girlfriends in high school and that hooking up (peer  driven popularity) is the goal as much as a relationship used to be. With the higher level of sexual activity (casual as opposed to boyfriend and girlfriend) the attitude become more objectified and less intimate. Even though they understand the how and maybe some of the why the children don't have the maturity and life experience to put it into the proper context. So the net result is we have more children being sexually active ealier than prior generations. That allows for more experimentation with kinkier aspects of sex. In other words in the 60's by the time you had gone "all the way" and maybe had a couple of partners you were finished with high school and expanded your knowledge in college. Now they're going "all the way" and have multiple partners when they are high school freshmen and sophmores so the experimentation with kink is happening when they're still in high school. Plus there is more kink displayed in the mainstream media such as Lady Heather on CSI. Therefore I don't believe there is any physiologic change that is the root cause. The cause is less parental supervision with more intrusion by the outside culture.(ie Boulder Colorado where the school made mandory attendence to an assembly where the kids were told it's ok to experiment with drugs and by all means the should experiment sexually including trying out same sex experimentation. Btw the school has invited back these same panelists for next year)

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RE: Children of Gor... - 6/3/2007 12:29:46 PM   
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I don't think kids are seeing more adult stuff than ever before, I just think it's both more commercial (Using the telescope for nefarious purposes is an art of the past) and more published/disected/scorned.  People are now ashamed that their kids are playing doctor, or kissing girls.

The Gor/BDSM thing, well, that's just a natural proclivity some have, and may be exposed a bit earlier.

I mean, how much more ignorant can the social sciences become than this:  Idiot study.

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RE: Children of Gor... - 6/3/2007 12:47:03 PM   
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Leaving aside the many unsupported claims here...

Kids today KNOW about technology, yes, but as someone who teaches 18-22 year olds--they DON'T know how to use it--even how to use Google effectively. They just type in something general. They're clueless. They just want something handed to them.

Look at the people visiting this board who can't even manage the search function.

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RE: Children of Gor... - 6/3/2007 3:14:58 PM   
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Greetings Masters & Mistresses,
Greetings girls,
 
quote:

Just curious, where they are coming from and if maybe society is raising more mature children these days and if that is really a good thing.   Is the female of our species evolving to reproduce earlier and earlier?  The faster we climb that technological ladder, does that put women into overdrive to mature and procreate?

 
aea thinks that parents, for the most part, are raising less mature children than say were raised 4-5 decades ago. Most of the children today know little responsibility and have very few reasons to use their imaginations.  There is less time being spent doing chores and homework than ever before. Most families eat out at least twice a week. There are now dishwashers, clotheswashers, microwave ovens, etc. to give us more and more time to relax.
 
It does, however, give children and young adults a false sense of adulthood to be so easily available to fend for themselves. Learn to operate a microwave oven and they can cook! Learn to use a clotheswasher and they know how to wash clothes, etc. and so on.
 
aea believes that teenagers have always been hormonely-driven. They begin their fantasies. aea did and aea had few of the above named luxuries that afforded her more time to do so, and yes, to her they remain luxuries.
 
Where are these girls learning about their submission? aea has no idea.  Perhaps from websites such as this one. Perhaps from a parent who spends countless hours on websites such as this one.  Perhaps from a younger or older man she's encountered.  Is she old enough to make such a decision?  aea doesn't think most anyone is ready to make such a life altering decision much before the age of 25. One has to know themselves. One has to have life experience. And one has to have maturity and even then there is probably a 50-50 chance that the person isn't ready to make such a decision.
 
aea does wonder really what these thoughts have to do with procreation, unless that is being used as a term for sexual drive?
 
Too, aea believes there as many young men claiming to be dominant as there are young women claiming to be submissive. 
 
aea wishes you well.

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RE: Children of Gor... - 6/5/2007 2:53:31 AM   
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I have to say being only 19 and probably closer to the age of people you have been talking to who say they have been "In the life style" for many years. Personally i can not say I have actaully been in the life style for that long as my master only took me on 6 months ago and before that had nothing, but that was because i did not know anyone that would i know if when I was 14 Master had found me then i would have been doing the same things with him 3 months down the line. I always wanted to feel i had no control and had fantasies of being tied up abused and made to do things that i didnt want to do.
I think the shock is more that people are finding other people who are able to teach them, and that personaly is totaly down to the internet, so lets all thank the new god NET for opening the eyes to so many kinky young girls and boys.

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RE: Children of Gor... - 6/5/2007 4:49:33 AM   
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I was exposed to and fascinated by "Gor" at the age of 17 or 18. It was not until "Raiders of Gor" that I realized that the "idea" of being a kajirus interested and excited me. I had no way to act on it then and sometimes wonder if I would have continued to have the fantasies if I had the reality.

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RE: Children of Gor... - 6/5/2007 4:58:11 AM   
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Greetings Masters & Mistresses,
Greetings girls,
Greetings kinksdaughter,
 
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I always wanted to feel i had no control and had fantasies of being tied up abused and made to do things that i didnt want to do.

 
aea would mention that using the term "abused" can sometimes be misleading. For those many women who have suffered real abuse at the hands of bullies and predators aea doesn't think anyone really fantasizes about that.  she may be wrong and would like to be corrected if she is.  However, she believes such terms and use of them is part of what sheds such a negative light upon any alternative lifestyle.
 
aea wishes you well.

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RE: Children of Gor... - 6/5/2007 7:20:18 AM   
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Greetings Masters,
Greetings Mistresses,
Greetings fellow slaves,

selena would think that part of the reason that younger people are becoming involved in either the BDSM or Gorean lifestyle does have to do with the fact that "kinky" activities are more out there then they were in the past, when what happened in the bedroom stayed in the bedroom.  it has now become something that is more openly discussed and therefore a wider variety of information is available.  selena became interested in the BDSM lifestyle at the age of 21 and almost immediately was told about the Gorean lifestyle.  at that time she wasn't ready to make such a huge leap or commitment, but over the course of the next 4 years she discovered that the longing for total surrender was something that she could not ignore.  with that said, she does agree that there are not an inordinant amount of people who are willing and/or able to look at themselves as deeply and thuroughly as perhaps they should before embarking down a path (ie. involvement in a Gorean Master/slave relationship).  on the flip side though, those who do take the time for such introspection probably don't fear the stigma that was applied in the past for becoming involved in such a relationship.  selena would imagine that there is probably an almost equal amount of Masters younger or older who are interested in what they see as the "kinky sex" aspect of Gor, and the same would apply for those females, younger or older who have the same interest, but don't take the time to achieve an understanding about the Gorean lifestyle and philosoply.

*crosses her fingers that all those thoughts came out in a way the is understandable when transfered from brain to fingers*

wishing all well
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RE: Children of Gor... - 6/5/2007 7:33:36 AM   
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Greetings Masters, Mistresses, submissives and slaves,

i think aea hit it on the head, the internet. i think that a majority of kids now have internet access and they are finding out about things they may or may not find out from home or peers. i know i did.

with utmost respect,
just a girl

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RE: Children of Gor... - 6/5/2007 7:50:14 AM   
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Greetings,

I think many are simply able to put more of a name and definition to what they know or think they know. Personally, i really don't think there is more or less experimenting or exploring, i simply think they are now able to, because of the access and such, put a name to such.

Also, i don't think many people realize how many people get experienced with comcepts all through their lives, MOST people live some sort of D/s or experience some sort of D/s aspect of relationships in their lives, the thing is its not really defined or controled in the concept of consensuality and such. Look at the domestic abuse case statistics and how many families are exposed to such, think of gangs and how many areas have people trapped within a constant battle for domination over others. D/s is a natural part of life, so personally, i think all it is are people when they reach their majority and are "allowed" legally to explore things are in fact experienced in knowing or some kind of recognition that they may or may not have been able to put a name to what they felt and or explored and or indirectly lived through without choice.

Now they have the choice, they have the ability to control it to an extent, and they may continue to explore it in a different way.


I think many people want to see children as innocent, but they are no more innocent then we were at their age, and they have greater access as well as rules being more relaxed to put identification with their recognition.

I do believe many of the younger aged kids utilize the indication of their being involved since early teen years as a shock value or a way to be accepted or a way to fit in, hell they just came from HS lol that's what they have been doing. They believe it makes them seem more adult. OR they are ignorant of the people they will encounter and that their target audience (the mature, secure, and stable people within the different lifestyles) will not be the ones they attrack but they will instead find themselves surrounded by HNGs etc. As they mature into the lifestyle, you see how a change in how they market themselves usually.

So while i think younger people are being able to identify earlier what they are feeling, enjoying, or searching for, i really don't think they are feeling, enjoying or searching for anything different then the rest of us were, they are just finding a common mentality of what they were able to identify a lot earlier than we are.

Personally, because of what Gor exists within and on, i don't see a problem with a young adult learning what life is about at the hand of people who actually live what creates Gor as a whole. Gor as a basic concept should teach women and men how to be women and men. The rest ("adult") concepts are simply tools, and if you cannot teach Gor without the tools, then you probably don't have the full understanding of what Gor means in the terms of living such, and need to delve deeper into the books and look beyond the surface and then apply Gor without all the trappings.

Just my thoughts,

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RE: Children of Gor... - 6/5/2007 8:24:30 AM   
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Greetings Lisa and Goreans and Others reading this,

I find a bit of humor in the fact you don't understand to young of a female being around this type of environment. Haven't many of us had Parents, Grandparents or some maternal/paternal examples in our life that at least in a less than obvious, or in very obvious ways lived an M/s type relationship and just never declared it. I do believe those examples of harmony in the dominant / submissive lifestyle would have inspired a great many. And just imagine a happy Grandmother fussing over a very much loved Grandfather, thus inspiring little granddaughters with an example of sweet surrender. I don't believe the internet had much to do with that.

I was raised in the typical Midwestern fashion, men worked hard and were the leaders of the family in prayer and so forth, mother had the free woman's voice in all she was responsible for. Our lives, like the Gorean lifestyle in the novels is intended to be, had little to do with slavery, remember it was Cabot’s adventures that brought him frequently to the paga den and such, most men would have worked and went home to a family much the same as a normal man of Earth. In pre-60’s America and I assume other countries the dominant and submissive roles loomed large. And for our BDSM friends I want to point out that it wasn't always the man making the decisions, some men did defer to the wife. I just don't give a shit about that. That isn't the street I frequent. It isn’t a Gorean contention, so right or wrong that is for another lifestyle topic. But it exists now and always has; most generally you heard the men talking shit about the pussy whipped ones over a beer at the bar. But what works, works.

I will say that the slave types have always existed as well, the little tart that was fucking all the men down at the bar. She had affairs with all the big strong males that wanted to stray, or just wanted some stray. I am of the mind that there are far to few girls exposed properly to their true feelings and feeling comfortable about them. I think there would be a good number more slave types out there if we didn't declare so many sexual experiences as taboo. Just like the schools claiming safe sex comes from knowledge and not silence and fear mongering, I believe sexual needs and preference, needs the same attention. Why if a girl longs to be completely dependent on a man/ woman is that such a taboo? Perhaps those making the rules feared this very condition within their own hearts, I don't know for sure; ponder that on your own.

The internet however is responsible for much earlier lifestyle directions and education. I know one girl in particular that told me she came to the chat rooms under a false age as early as 14 and was collared and engaged in cyber, in fact all sorts of cyber sexual and nonsexual slavery. She thrived on it and actually needed it. In her mind at least. Well, there's one start to the role of slave. I do believe that emotional and physical development in early years is important, but we coddle our children entirely to damn much, assume they can't think for themselves until later ages with each passing generation. Is this just us trying to be overly controlling or attempting to create a longer time in which we have a so-called justified sense of self importance? You tell me. I do know this leaves them to discover the knowledge their minds and bodies are craving on their own, and not learning from those that love and care for them, those of their homestone, but quite possibly by those willing to monopolize on their insecurities and ignorance. What say you Goreans?

I personally have no desire to look at to young a girl with lust, they are not ready to serve a man completely and well maybe I like a firm able body woman best, not to mention the taboo has been ingrained into me where I get that ohhhh, that's just sick feeling when discussing it, but watch the little wenches, watch their attire and mannerism. Do you think they wish to be unnoticed? Nature kicks in whether mom and dad like it or not. It is also obvious that they aren't always after sex, they want someone that can teach them to be a woman, and it is just in a larger sense society that equates sex with womanhood. So they see it that way as well. For years and years now sex has been the undiscussed taboo, and in a great many homes it still is. Why in hell do we need school to discuss sex before the parents do, when you go to the little classes and accompany your sons and daughters to this, you see which kids are well aware of sexual conduct and have been instructed about it's role in their lives. I could at least.

We have discussed the internet as a medium of advanced thought in the once thought of as “taboo” lifestyles, but let’s look simply at reading. More and more adults this day and age are literate and they actually enjoy reading, damn sure when the issues in the text excites or thrills them. The Gorean novels attract the young female because she sees that romantic figure of a powerful man and she swoons at the notion of it, then the terrible reality at the sparse numbers of men that in actuality fit that concept and they run scared in denial all the while searching for that one true dream.

 Hmmm, something else to ponder. Why are so few men willing to accept the responsibility and accountability of the subservient female? Why would they prefer the path most easily taken? Why when faced with the pure ecstasy of the slave girl in their control would they choose something less profound. Why are the women of these men discontented and looking? Why would divorce be so easily an option?  Why, why, why to so many issues. Perhaps, and I say simply perhaps, it is that we aren’t teaching our children the right things, to discover the true person within and accept that, even if it isn’t something we had envisioned for them when they fell from the womb.

As for Gor, the slavery condition is 5th, 6th or 18th on my list of importance. I wish I had considered the things I now do everyday, when my sons were young; I may have gotten them on the right track sooner. They are now becoming rather accomplished young warriors and men, but I just think, if I had been more direct and insisted they be accountable as men and not allowed the mistakes of boys sooner in life; if I had not have hand carried or coddled them to the degree I did, how much different or at least further advanced they could have been. I'm surely not saying they wouldn't have matured or became good men without the Gorean mindset, but have a good look at Jason in his three novels, just think about how many think that way. Tons! As for their way with females, they and their females are very happy. The girl of my youngest son actually had a book (yes, one of mine) down off the self one day. I had to smirk when I seen her embarrassed at my catching her, I winked and did the shhhh sign at my lips, she smiled and her attitudes are noticeably different towards men. HMMMM, imagine that. I'm not saying she longs to be a slave or anything, I haven't discussed it with her, but she was submissive, and now seems happy about it, imagine that.

I think it's important to remember that Gor is not first about this condition of slavery; it is about the men, their behavior and interactions amongst each other, the way they conduct themselves and the codes that men live by.  These things such as honor, integrity and nobility, virtues among a good many other points of manhood must reign as priorities to living Goreans. With the strong and well adjusted man present the females have little to worry about. They will find their place in some form of service to the men they find so powerful, so commanding and do dare I say, pretty....I hope there are children of Gor, I hope we teach them well and they become a shining example for society. Is sex important, it sure is, and in due time we should discover that teaching responsible sexual behavior will stop the rush of our children to become adults through this activity. Only the alcoholic drinks too much when its taboo is lifted. Only the slut needs sex when its taboo is lifted, so enslave her and give her that which is her.

Food for thought.

Live well Goreans,

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RE: Children of Gor... - 6/5/2007 8:48:33 AM   
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Ahhhhhhhh--- The children of Gor, what beautiful music they make-----


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RE: Children of Gor... - 6/5/2007 9:05:18 AM   
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Tal,

Clearly, Gor is important to me, and I do agree that we have come to coddle children much too much in Western society--just read any of my pieces about our dysfunctional educational system, for example.

However, I also want to address two important points. First, helping a minor with such experience is wicked awesome illegal. Don't do it. Second, as I work with 18-19-20 year olds all the time, let me assure you--they are children. I don't think they once were, but they certainly are now. Their thinking is superficial, their view of the world magical at best, and their life experience far too little to know as much as they think they know.

Follow an 18 year old through age 24, for example. World of difference--you wouldn't even know it's the same person. And yes, we could probably say the same thing about 24 to 30, but the point is, they think they are now fully fledged members of the adult world, with all the knowledge, experience and judgment that entails. They aren't. They will be, eventually, but at 18, they only believe it true, and this can be dangerous. They aren't really immortal.

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RE: Children of Gor... - 6/5/2007 10:15:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


However, I also want to address two important points. First, helping a minor with such experience is wicked awesome illegal. Don't do it.



Greetings Tim,

This was exactly one of the points in my post. Here is the typical response children find in the "responsible" adults. The first place an adult mind goes to when it comes to helping our children explore their sexuality is the taboo of physical contact and due to the fact these children of ours find parents and honorable adult mentors shying away from the issue altogether and having the rather irresponsible attitude of just don't do it. is rediculous at best. You don't have to engage in sexual activity or teach them how to blow the cock to help them understand their sexuality, sexuality is more than the simple practices of sex.

 It is their hard wiring they are having trouble comprehending and because this issue involves that scary word sex, ohhhh does our super puritan society run from that. Bullshit, it's like I said, if the responsible folks don't help them understand their feelings, their urges and explain the facts of life, not just the acts of life, then they are left learning from the perves with an agenda. Those that do not have honorable intent, but those that have crafted their sick perversions to an expertly honed skill in abducting the young minds. I'm not saying it's our job on the net to teach these youngens, it's our duty to see they aren't where the law says stay away. But as parents, of OUR own children we have responsibilities and I don't like the idea of some liberal loon teaching everything including so called common sense to my children. My point is it is the responsibity of parents and gardians to teach children.

Sure the 18, 19, 20 year old can have a very immature mind, it depends souly on their life experience though, again my point instead of helping them with actual life experience as they grow we tend to shield them, coddle them and attempt to hide them from reality. How many don't allow the 10 year old son watch the news now and just explain away the Iraq battlefield as a problem of George Bush's and not to worry about things like that. Sure it can scar a child to see the horrors of reality, but what about the reality of their lack of understanding and their rediculous notion that the world is a warm and fuzzy place. Who should teach your children about these issues. You? The teacher with his own agenda? Or someone that is more worried about political correctness?

This is about way more than the taboos and sex for fucks sake. It's about passing along your experience in life. My son has spent the past few days with tons of questions about going to war. He's afraid, he is unsure, he is a boy trying to become a man. Should I just not do that as well. Should I not pass my experience along to my son? My trials and experiences?  Like I said, if we just keep religating this back to the acts of sex, running scared to teach humanity to humans and not teach them about their sexuality, their sex, the person they are, what then, they are all that comprises them, not a partial package, they are the entire puzzle to be assembled by those that took on that responsibility at their birth.

I understand the point of keeping children away from sexual sites and the deep perversions they aren't ready for, namely, so that we maintain the letter of the law. However if we teach our children about the realities of life, they won't be nearly as vulnerable  to the dangers they fall so easily pray to now. A few stray fish will fall prey, but on the whole, I still believe education is the great equalizer.

I hope this clarifies my thoughts,

Bull

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Tal Bull,

I agree with you, except for the part about me as "The teacher with his own agenda? Or someone that is more worried about political correctness?"

I have to deal with the reality of administration, yes, but in my classroom, at least, students have to think for themselves, and what I think about it is irrelevant.

They hate that, by the way. They want me to tell them what to write.

Granted, I have a LOT of my own views, and I express them in print frequently--but not in my classroom.

I won't deny it happens in other classrooms.

Tim



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