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RE: "Gift of Submission" - 6/12/2007 8:17:37 PM

slaveangel2007

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The gift of submission is what I have given to myself and to my Master. His gift to me is his acceptance and training of myself. We all have different opinions, but mine is given in one sentence: "Submission is a gift given and recieved."

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RE: "Gift of Submission" - 6/12/2007 8:46:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: charmdpetKeira

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Trust is the gift

Not meant in disagreement; I was hoping you would share with me your point of view.

Would you please tell me how you see something that is earned, as a gift?

Sincerely,

k

Speaking just for myself, choosing to trust someone elses judgement, even when my own rational mind would take me another direction is a huge leap. Even if I know their judgement is sound, it is still a leap. There are a billion layers to trust, but this is the one I would label for myself as most dificult. Faced with some choice, if my logical and rational self and gut say go left, and Sir says go right, there is a significant choice there, whether to trust and yeild my judgement to another or not. To me, it's not, "I trust you to make better choices than me." It's "I trust you and respect you enough to yeild to your wishes and judgement, knowing that if it is the wrong choice that you will do everything in your power to help me make things right." Feeling that level of trust with someone is an earned thing, I would agree. Deciding to rest in someone elses judement, even when it goes against your own does stike me as a leap of faith, and a gift.

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RE: "Gift of Submission" - 6/12/2007 8:48:15 PM

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Not to be contradictory to your opinion or anyone else's, but philosophically, isn't the pure essence of giving a gift to someone and act of love or respect without the expectation of receiving something in return?

While it is altruistic and an unselfish to gift something to someone without any expectations, do we not receive something in return, even if it is the gratification of making that person happy?

I think that all of us have certain expectations that define our relationships, because if we did not, and I have said this before, there would be no payoff.

I am not posting an opinion about the topic, basically because I do not care that much what people believe as far as submission being a gift or not... it just is not that important to me

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RE: "Gift of Submission" - 6/12/2007 11:07:08 PM

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Speaking just for myself, choosing to trust someone elses judgement, even when my own rational mind would take me another direction is a huge leap. Even if I know their judgement is sound, it is still a leap. There are a billion layers to trust, but this is the one I would label for myself as most dificult. Faced with some choice, if my logical and rational self and gut say go left, and Sir says go right, there is a significant choice there, whether to trust and yeild my judgement to another or not. To me, it's not, "I trust you to make better choices than me." It's "I trust you and respect you enough to yeild to your wishes and judgement, knowing that if it is the wrong choice that you will do everything in your power to help me make things right." Feeling that level of trust with someone is an earned thing, I would agree. Deciding to rest in someone elses judement, even when it goes against your own does stike me as a leap of faith, and a gift.

Thank you, for responding. :)

I can certainly relate to what you’re saying about trust being hard to come by; having felt a good part of my life, like people have been offering me cookies, then slapping my hand when I reach in the jar to get one.

I also understand what you are saying in reference to trust being a gift; it was like that for me, when I was owned.

Sincerely,

k

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RE: "Gift of Submission" - 6/13/2007 6:42:31 AM

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The idea of submission as a gift is a total crock, in my opinion. If it works for you, fine, but it sure as hell isn't the way I look at it.

A domme has to have something special or do something special to make me feel submissive to her. In that sense, my submission is seduced or coerced from me, and it's a testiment to her power over me. I don't give it, she takes it, or rather creates the need in me to submit to her.

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RE: "Gift of Submission" - 6/13/2007 8:09:44 AM

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R insists that I am a gift to him.

He tells me that the greatest gift he has ever gotten is me. Even when I tell him I can be returned or exchanged he keeps insisting I am his gift!

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