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Imperatives of Gorean Free Women - 6/10/2007 7:12:36 AM   
ygraine


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Hello,
Trevelyan's thread about Gorean men and how they embrace the philosophies found in the Gorean novels gave me pause, and made me think about the possibility of imperatives for free women. 
The role of a free woman, to me, is incredibly complex. It is hard to reference the books, because Norman was all over the place in presenting their role.  Face it, from a fiction standpoint, the woman who stands back and takes care of the hearth and home is not as exciting as a hot larma slut! 
So, I am asking women who live their lives as Gorean free women (as best as we all can) how they incorporate the philosophies of Gor and Natural Order into their lives, and how they find standards for their behavior.
I would also like to know, if they were once slave or if they ever thought of it, or if the possibility occured, what changed in them that enabled them to be free? Personally, I find freedom bittersweet.  It is a lovely place to be and I certainly have a lot more control over my life, but there is a certain poignancy in knowing that I will never again feel that special freedom that comes with surrender. 
To me, a Gorean free woman is hard to define.  Where the rules of slaves are absolute, the rules of FW behavior are not so.  Yet we are always in danger of losting that status to enslavement.  How do we walk that fine line?

In short, what are the core "imperatives" that all free women should live by?

It is my sincere hope to learn more from this thread.  I ask please that posters remain respectful and avoid flame wars.  Thank you.
Ygraine

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RE: Imperatives of Gorean Free Women - 6/11/2007 4:58:42 AM   
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Hello Ygraine,

You never pose easy questions.   I can say with total certainty, having known you for so long.    Jahna, Karynn, I am looking forwards to your response here.  You both do much better at posting then I do.

I recall a man telling me shortly after I was freed, not to let him down, that he would be watching.   I remembered thinking, to let him down would be letting me down, and that was not going to happen.   I knew I was one the one I had to face every day in the mirror.  I knew if I was going to make the claim to be a Gorean free woman, I had to walk the walk before I could talk the talk.   Do I make mistakes?  Constantly, if someone says they don’t, they are lying, and perhaps to themselves which is the greatest sorrow of all.

What are the imperatives then?   I think, as with men, there are many, I believe they are somewhat different then men’s.  And because there are no cookie cut answers, I think each woman defines them for herself.   But the first few that come to mind for me are loyalty, honesty, integrity; I hesitate to use the word honor, because I believe if you live a life with those things in mind, you live a life of honor.  Honor is sometimes over used, and hard to classify.  

I am told often I am a submissive woman, yes, I know this, that is not a revelation.   This is only one of the reasons I consider myself a Gorean free woman.  I believe my job first and foremost is making the life of my Free Companion easier.   I once explained it as a 1950’s housewife.   Her home was her universe, the man was head of the house, and all fell into place from there.   Naturally, as it should. 

I wish you well,

Liz

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RE: Imperatives of Gorean Free Women - 6/11/2007 8:56:11 AM   
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Greetings  Ygraine

I think the question posed is rather difficult to put into words and then again rather easy to understand once you strip things down.

To me, remember to me, my experiences found that once the protocols of window dressing is removed you have found the intent and principles behind the segregation found in the source material.  I have spent over 11 years on this journey of becoming Gorean, and in turn the many roles in my life have taken new meaning as I traveled.  I started out as a slave, thinking that was what women were meant to be.  I only found that it allowed one half of my existence a framework to grow in.  Certainly I discovered my sexuality, embraced it, even rejoiced in having it accepted as part of me.  Yet the limitations because of the protocols left part of me cold.  I often asked myself, “why in the name of a label must I dumb down who I am and what is real to appease someone who is obviously wrong or less.”  I felt the creation of illusions in the name of ritual false.

Then I found a man who did not demand my surrender to him as a slave even though this was not what I was looking for.  I found myself freed of the shackles of ritual in favor of a more holistic and natural existence.  I quickly found out, if what I am is real, no matter what name I attach to it, it will be self evident.  This allowed me the freedom to surrender to one man, the head of my home.  Yes, surrender to his will, very similar to that of a slave, yet, freed from the rituals surrounding that institution.  This means my surrender, my actions, thoughts and deeds are not based on what someone else defined for me from a book.  Rather it is a constant and fluid expression of what should be as I discovered and embraced each facet of femininity and put it into practice.

I have said this before, if I need a label on my forehead to tell me what to do, how to think and how to be, I have failed to learn from the hundreds of lessons I have had on my journey.  I often see people put more emphasis on labels and preconceived roles as a matter of law, when in fact that law does not exist.  We do, daily.  Ygraine you stated you miss that special feeling that surrendered offered you.  My question back to you is, why?  What magic is created in a label that you can not be and accepted by a man if that particular labels does not exist?  

I am often asked, and the OP asked it as well, what is a free woman, what is her place, her duty etc.  Often the same is asked of slaves.  The simple truth is, a woman will be everything the man in her life wants her to be, and that much more.  I won’t set the boundaries, nor do I accept the boundaries created by Norman.  I am because I stopped asking the wise man how to live, I just started living. I am mother, daughter, teacher, nurse, maid, slut, lover, companion and yes his slave (in a figurative sense) and so much more.  

The only limitations I have are based on my interactions within the Gorean community.  For here, the boundaries have been set up, and I have the choice to comply or not.  Here is where certain aspects of me get pushed back in favor of a more socially accepted “role” that my “label” entails.  For example, I do not flirt, or would I wear provocative clothing to a Gorean gathering, why, because that has been deemed to “slave like”, I would any place else that it is acceptable, like a bar.  (I still find this rather odd and silly but it is part of the social interaction so I go with it.)  

In fact I really hate to see the free women can and can not speeches based on a book.  The simple truth is, you can if you try.  I am striving and reaching out to be everything the man I call husband wants me to be and that much more.   I belong to him, he owns my heart, my trust, my body, my everything, not because of a collar or ring, but where it matters most, in my head and heart.  Thus I am a woman who has been freed.

So what is the imperative of a free woman, to me, just be a woman.

Jahna

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RE: Imperatives of Gorean Free Women - 6/11/2007 9:20:28 AM   
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Hi Jahna,

You are so wise. R has been trying to teach me to change and expand my "context", things don't happen when you focus on what you think you can't do. While this is happening in the area of business( and in part slavery) for me, your post provided another example of the idea for me to think about. Thanks.


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ORIGINAL: Jahnaca

Greetings  Ygraine

I think the question posed is rather difficult to put into words and then again rather easy to understand once you strip things down.

To me, remember to me, my experiences found that once the protocols of window dressing is removed you have found the intent and principles behind the segregation found in the source material.  I have spent over 11 years on this journey of becoming Gorean, and in turn the many roles in my life have taken new meaning as I traveled.  I started out as a slave, thinking that was what women were meant to be.  I only found that it allowed one half of my existence a framework to grow in.  Certainly I discovered my sexuality, embraced it, even rejoiced in having it accepted as part of me.  Yet the limitations because of the protocols left part of me cold.  I often asked myself, “why in the name of a label must I dumb down who I am and what is real to appease someone who is obviously wrong or less.”  I felt the creation of illusions in the name of ritual false.

Then I found a man who did not demand my surrender to him as a slave even though this was not what I was looking for.  I found myself freed of the shackles of ritual in favor of a more holistic and natural existence.  I quickly found out, if what I am is real, no matter what name I attach to it, it will be self evident.  This allowed me the freedom to surrender to one man, the head of my home.  Yes, surrender to his will, very similar to that of a slave, yet, freed from the rituals surrounding that institution.  This means my surrender, my actions, thoughts and deeds are not based on what someone else defined for me from a book.  Rather it is a constant and fluid expression of what should be as I discovered and embraced each facet of femininity and put it into practice.

I have said this before, if I need a label on my forehead to tell me what to do, how to think and how to be, I have failed to learn from the hundreds of lessons I have had on my journey.  I often see people put more emphasis on labels and preconceived roles as a matter of law, when in fact that law does not exist.  We do, daily.  Ygraine you stated you miss that special feeling that surrendered offered you.  My question back to you is, why?  What magic is created in a label that you can not be and accepted by a man if that particular labels does not exist?  

I am often asked, and the OP asked it as well, what is a free woman, what is her place, her duty etc.  Often the same is asked of slaves.  The simple truth is, a woman will be everything the man in her life wants her to be, and that much more.  I won’t set the boundaries, nor do I accept the boundaries created by Norman.  I am because I stopped asking the wise man how to live, I just started living. I am mother, daughter, teacher, nurse, maid, slut, lover, companion and yes his slave (in a figurative sense) and so much more.  

The only limitations I have are based on my interactions within the Gorean community.  For here, the boundaries have been set up, and I have the choice to comply or not.  Here is where certain aspects of me get pushed back in favor of a more socially accepted “role” that my “label” entails.  For example, I do not flirt, or would I wear provocative clothing to a Gorean gathering, why, because that has been deemed to “slave like”, I would any place else that it is acceptable, like a bar.  (I still find this rather odd and silly but it is part of the social interaction so I go with it.)  

In fact I really hate to see the free women can and can not speeches based on a book.  The simple truth is, you can if you try.  I am striving and reaching out to be everything the man I call husband wants me to be and that much more.   I belong to him, he owns my heart, my trust, my body, my everything, not because of a collar or ring, but where it matters most, in my head and heart.  Thus I am a woman who has been freed.

So what is the imperative of a free woman, to me, just be a woman.

Jahna


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RE: Imperatives of Gorean Free Women - 6/11/2007 7:49:41 PM   
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Tal Jahna,

quote:

For example, I do not flirt, or would I wear provocative clothing to a Gorean gathering, why, because that has been deemed to “slave like”, I would any place else that it is acceptable, like a bar.  (I still find this rather odd and silly but it is part of the social interaction so I go with it.)  


If Vella could wear the revealing clothes of a slave as a FW on the high bridges of Ko-ro-ba, then you can too. There is no behavior prohibited from a FW other than that specified by her mate.

Insert the popular Norman quote about diversity of living and there being no single shirt or slave silk or one-size-fits-all thing that everyone must wear. Each path is individually unique to the person walking it.

I wish you well,
Braveheart

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RE: Imperatives of Gorean Free Women - 6/11/2007 7:57:35 PM   
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Tal and good evening,

Imperatives of a free woman? to be that which is most sought by the one who takes her.

I find that I am frustrated by the concepts of role-play related to the books, and a sort of list of tenets saying this or that is only allowed and the rest is foolish folly. I do not live in the books. I live in a house in the middle of a souther suburban city. I have served and loved the same man for decades. I grow as he shapes me. I flourish as he cares for me. I become what he sees in me.

I really do not think it is more complicated than that. I simply am, and continue to be. It is a body in motion. Physics says that once a body is set in motion, it will not still until it runs against an equal and opposite force. That force in my life is him. I constantly strive to move in the direction he sets, and exemplify the things most important to him.

Family, cautious finances, Alone Time, Football, Flora and gardening, Cleanliness, Ladylike language, A certain presence in groups, not too noisy, not too quiet, Food prepared a certain way at a certain time, the right laundry detergent, a hand in day to day life of our sons...

What I see in the books is a diagram for the concept of "ideal living" presented to men, for men, to make their lives easier. I see a list of expectations and consequences. I see the concept of slavery one of the many ways to impress upon females that they are there to do just that, make men's lives easier. I see a set of stories that purport that most women in the world of Gor were free. Why? They were ideal to the men who kept them. They made their lives easier. It is a circular effect.

Some have said "Men want slaves." I think to some degree that is true. I don't think it is the crux of things though. I think men want to be leader and lord of their home. I think they want life to run smoothly, to be settled and comforting. I think men seek the most beautiful, most important, most needed factors in the woman they choose. They can only know what they need. It isn't a formula in a book. It isn't certainly a set of positions or protocols set forth by another man or men. Each man is an island of his own definition. He takes what he needs to his island and lives with those decisions.

I am my man's decision. Liz is her man's. Jahnca is another man's perfect joy. And to be clear and cautious here, I didn't say Jahnca was perfect. What I see her saying however, is that she is striving to be the perfect mate for her man. I offer the same to mine. My offering of such would not necessarily suit another man. I have been learning for 18 or so years. Another man's needs would be definitively starting from scratch.

My imperative is mine. It isn't going to fit any other setting. Yours, if you are free, is yours. It makes it much easier to manage and follow.

Karynn

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