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The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 6/25/2007 9:26:03 AM   
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Greetings People,

I was in the mood this morning to create a fictional tale.

I was laying in bed thinking this morning, as the birds were a chirping, the sun a shining; and I could see what appeared to be a squirrel in the tree outside my window, and he was watching me, oh, it was a squirrel, but I'll be damn if that little Peeping Tom wasn't looking in my window and watching me, or maybe he was watching Natalie, if that was the case as I looked over at her I thought, "yeah, that is an amazing eyeful of woman." I smiled.

Then I started thinking about why I thought it was, she was lying next to me. All the things that may have led to that moment and not simply in my lifetime, but that of others. Why did this woman work so hard to garner my attention and why does she still work so hard to maintain it? A story, a fictional work of art sprang to mind, I think I'll share it with you all.

Once upon a time a world was ruled by a ruthless tyrant. He was  born from the loins of warriors, those of days since gone. He was spoiled with his ease of lordship, it had been afforded to him in the blood of warriors proceeding him. Those same warriors that had lived by codes, they did serve greatly their homeland and King, with honor and vitue, they were strong and powerful, the women did so love them. Their very presence made women fall to their knees and swoon.

Enter the age of jealousy. I'll call it that for lack of a better term. The age when the hunter/gather, the warrior type if you will, had found an ally in the man that had been held under his foot, the weaker man, the man that dreamed of equality with these giants of manhood. A man held down, due to his lessor physical strength, a man that aspired all the same as all men would, aspired to greatness.

Now this poor fellow that was unable to overcome the warriors size, skill and strength and therefore was left to settle for seconds, in everything simply needed a push. Well he developed the tools that would lift him from his secondary status. He shared these tools with warriors sympathetic to his plight.

Now, as is the saying neccessity is the mother of invention. She would afford the weaker man in his humanly cunning the ability, nay, the inspiration to develope a plan and even tools in which to ascend the ladder. While those "great" and "noble" warriors grew lazy and appathetic with their own power, the weaker of these men did inact his plan. He, as I said, firstly developed tools and devices to win others to his way of thinking, and grasp support with the lessor warriors, he concocted weapons and laws that supposedly equaled all men, but in effect preyed upon the sympathies of those with weaker constitutions. The weak man (in weak, it is not a representative of anything beyond physical strength mind you) Had now begun his power base, he used what he had developed as a superior strategy at this moment in time to impress the masses that his way, was more just for a society at large. He may have had pure thoughts, but even the best laid plans fall astray. Total power was now an object within view.

At times the stronger of the men that had now been dethroned made pushes to rise from their own ashes, yet the weaker and cunning fellow would again rally his fanfair, it also seemed he may in fact need to increase his power base so he offered in a very manipulative way, using the ambitions of a few members of an even weaker and more downtrodder group of folks, he offered them a supposed equal role. But this didn't always set well with his already vast caste supporters.

In order to quell their roar he explained the importance of the weakest members minds and numbers, the importance that their being brought into this frey as allies could present even more equality "against" those that at one time held us down, that thisweakest member had been abused and held in the perverbial throws of slavery to long, that we must see them as equals in all ways, but this weaker man was willing to allow only certain rights. This was in effect simply a distraction from what should be yet again the true course of life and nature, supposedly. But now with a tad bit of power this weakest of members too had an agenda and must also climb the ladder of power. It would seem that even the number two fellow would in his arrogance and appathy fell prey to cunning. He was manipulated by his own words and he to had to surrender even more power or find defeat within his world of  supposed superiority.

Now all had ascended to an air of equality and medicracy. Within this the strongest of men started to see the error in his way, the weaker man started to also realize he was only about being the controller now versus the goal of equality he had hoped to achieve, that old power corrupts rule fell into play. And the weakest in this fictional story found herself even the most confused and lost within a world where nature through humanly intervention and self serving purpose had cast society upside down. She was in fact the greatest victim, the most unwilling of pawns in this play on natures process. She realized that all she ever wanted was a good strong man that could make her swoon and create a world in which she could lay next to him and love him for the things that he was to her. (Damn squirrel knew that I think)

To concluded this story. These good folks all realized that they had after ions of time and energy wasted, they had yet to get anything right. And all the while the trees watched, the flowers blumed, the bees did buzz and the birds did sing.

The End

Bull

Anyone is welcome to comment on this fictional story  from the land of _____.

Of course there could possibly be some esoteric value contained within; or perhaps not.



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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 6/25/2007 9:29:58 AM   
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Greetings Master Bull,

fyre finds much wisdom in the words from the Land of________

prays to the Pk's to keep the weak men away

Wishing your House well

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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 6/25/2007 9:48:59 AM   
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Tal you pretty little wench,

You went directly to one point I wanted this story to go to, as it applied to Gor. In the idea of a Gorean society there are no weak men, all men are raised to embrace that which they are. The Warrior, the Scribe, the Builder, the Farmer, the Leather Craftsman, the Machinist, the Truck Driver, Ok, no truckers on Gor. But we are attempting to apply it here, aren't we? No matter the caste, the thing of importance is we all serve our role and are happy and content within our purpose.

Men have should really have no need to compete for power, not all men are naturally designed to be the leader, but they are all designed to insure accountability of the efforts of those around them. Accountibility in the scribes writing, in the leaders leading and the craftsman crafts. Weak men only exist within a society that does not except a man for that which he is, a society where a man is seen as less or more important and that in turn effects his personal pride and acceptance. It isn't the best man that is a leader, it's the best leader that is leader. In the books no man was to good to share bread with another, these pesky social practices that insured a man's social freedoms created a sence of harmony.

Serve well wenchlette,

Bull



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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 6/25/2007 10:54:32 AM   
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Greetings Master Bull,

fyre has understood much of Master Bulls thoughts on the boards of late on many subjects and has voiced some in the thread of the slaves herself much to the dismay of some.

Fyre thanks Master Bull for continuing to share with fyre (even tho this is one of those topics where fyre is not so vocal).
she is glad to be found pleasing *grins big*and on the right track.

May she wish your house well




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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 6/25/2007 12:39:40 PM   
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Greetings Master Bull:

~~smiles~~

Thank You for sharing this story from the land of _______.  i enjoy reading Your posts and always walk away having learned something new or having something clarified.

Thank You Master Bull :)

wishing You and Yours well,
aelebera{NB}

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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 6/26/2007 1:36:20 PM   
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Greetings Master xBullx

I enjoyed Your story and like how You weaved the weak in with the growing of the old ways, they always return in some form.  Or at least that is what i got from it, but my mind works in weird ways.  I feel You showed how honor can be used and abused in it too.  Very interesting Master xBullx.  I thank you for a thought provoking time.

peace be to You.

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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 6/27/2007 6:16:39 AM   
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Given this scenario, who is the strong and whom is the weak?
 
You are a Cowboy's fan. Remember when Bill Parcells used to say, "You are what your record says you are."

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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 6/27/2007 6:49:41 AM   
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ahhhhhhhhhhhh, but isn't it interesting how you sweet cheerleaders are once again cheering for the return of that first team winning spirit.

Bill is gone and kindled that spirit again in MEN, shall they push forward or revisit that the appathy of comfort and unclaimed might from the days of low tide....

I know your hopes, your burning need, unless of course you jest.

Will we hear that winning temperment shout? Or will men again find that road most easily traveled? Will the cycle begin again?

Put me in coach, I'm ready to play;

Him,

Bull

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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 6/27/2007 8:23:14 AM   
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An interesting piece that put's forth your view of the world very well indeed.

muse

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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 6/27/2007 9:36:07 AM   
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Hello Silvermuse,

smiles............

This may or may not actually be my view of anything, my initial intention was to only inspire some thought amongst readers, it should draw different conclusions, from different folk. I did hope to get into more than simple slave talk, much the same as what I suppose Luther had hoped with his thread, his is out of most folks normal discussional range though. No offense to anyone, mind you. The respondents should demonstrate my point well enough.

This was just jibberish to get folks considering things, things that matter to them. Sure, I hid some bovine "wisdom" within, but no one has seen or commeted on it. My guess is most wanted me to lay it out for them and create the path easiest traveled.  Oooops.

Why does Gor matter to you? What does this bring to you? What do you need it to represent? Do the men and women in the books have merely a general message for you? There's a direction or two for you.

Bull

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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 6/27/2007 9:47:43 AM   
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greetings Master Bull,

fyre did not wish to comment any further because some of it was on the compitions of Men.

yes fyre may 'judge' in her mind whom is weak or strong in her humble opinion....but the competitions of men for leadership, well.......all fyre can say is the strrong do eat the weak, in the long run, it all comes out in the wash and some may appear so but time tells(waaaay too many metaphors)...

fyre will continue to post to herself in the book thread on her journey to learn and she does not write well enough to go into the thread of Ubar Luther's but she understands and reads and learns from the writings of the Free Men.

Fyre can not leave gor because of her craving to be kept where she needs to be by those stronger than she so the best she can do is learn and read and get hurt and pick herself up and learn some more ....

and such is the nature of things..
for no pain no gain

fyres deepest need is to learn what it is to be female, to be herself.....

well wishes to Master and His House

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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 6/27/2007 11:03:50 AM   
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My apologies for misunderstanding, no excuses as they would be just that, excuses.

I tend to be very careful what I post, comment wise, to Masters on the Gorean side of the boards, so unless it is to do with how slaves/subs/et al view themselves or such things as kneeling, I don't give more than polite short responses.

But here goes, stepping out from my safe little haven to dare the potential flames. (semi joking)

Based on your suggestions for direction of the conversation.

What does Gor mean to me. Gor does hold a special place in my heart, because I met Master through Gor. (Html gor, yes the rp rooms) Although I firmly believe I am not and never will be kajira material, there is a part of my heart that will always see Gor as something very special. It granted me the chance to meet the man I fell in love with, who showed me who I could be, who helped me push past my own fears and then opened the door to my ability to submit.

I wouldn't class what you wrote as jibberish, because jibberish in itself doesn't tend to provoke a response other than a put down. But then again that is my own personal point of view, and I'd love to see more threads where people post their creative writing, however that's a personal hmm - addiction of mine.

Do the men and women in the books have merely a general message to me? There is one general message that comes through clearly. Strength will win in the end, but it takes complete strength, not just of body, but heart, mind and soul. Strength doesn't mean being blind, or refusing to listen, but it does mean not being swayed from your path if you truly believe it is the right one for you. It means not being lazy and sitting back, smiling as the world goes past, but working on who and what you are so that you are ready for the day that someone will challenge you, regardless of if that challenge comes from a drawn sword, or a battle of intellect.

The men and women in the books, were, by and large, strong. You saw it in the women who stripped themselves and knelt, knowing they would lose their family and friends, knowing they would be giving up all rights from that moment. You saw it in the men willing to accept themselves for who they were.

But the books also showed that it wasn't easy. And isn't meant to be.

muse

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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 7/1/2007 3:18:50 AM   
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Thank you for this it's really made me think.

It's interesting that people who look at Gor from the outside see it as some kind of sexual playground and no more, but judging by this board (which is all I know of it), it's full of intensely thoughtful people who are constantly trying to hold themselves to incredibly high personal standards.  The same can be said of many in BDSM, too - rather than wild free sex it's about personal development and honour.

(Of course the wild free sex is kinda nice too.)

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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 7/1/2007 6:16:14 AM   
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Thank you becca, you and the others have been finding my intent.........

It's simply a story, designed to make you consider things, things tht may or may not be accurate to you, may or may not be accurate to the world at large.....

If I made it an obvious story, as if it were my absolute impression of how things are or have been, it would then become a post that would simply invite right or wrong debate, it is only a series of points to consider and make you think.....

Oh, silvermuse, you did get it right, for you; and of course it follows my line of thinking, not as an absolute, but simply as a less than complete view of the world as seen through the eyes of this country boy.

Does life cycle? Is life on a straight line, evolving? Is it on a path for improvement? Do men stand where they belong? Do women? The answers to these questions may quite possibly lie within the hearts of each of us..... Anyway, that's what my horse said.

Live, love and laugh well,

Bull

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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 7/1/2007 7:05:10 AM   
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   What struck me in Your story, Master Bull, was the concept of "weakness".  A lack of physical strength or agility is what many may typically think of, but there is much more to it than that. A man could be strong enough to pin me down, agile enough to have me bound in thirty seconds flat, but if the mental strength is missing..bleh. Overpower my body and You may have my body captive..but overpower my mind and everything I have is Yours. Look at what the "weaker" man accomplished in the story. It could be argued that the labels should be reversed. As a woman, I have no desire to have an "equal" place in a relationship, but I do want it all *grins* some brawn..some brains..and a knowing look that can put me in my place in a heartbeat.
 
  I think Your points about about everyone having a place, ie, the scribe, the warrior, the phy is very valid. Now if we could only get people to stop looking down their noses and start seeing what's directly in front of them. That's the type of change, the evolution of ideas, that I would love to see. For everyone to be accepted as having a valid role in this world we live in. For more room to be given to personal growth..look at Cabot and where he started out, as opposed to where he ended up. Life and growth aren't necessarily always about "moving up in the world", and when someone tries to expand their horizons, often others will view it in a negative light.. -wry smile- Luckily I only bring out the rose colored glasses on special occasions. Thank You for the food for thought....
 
-a

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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 7/1/2007 7:11:34 AM   
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Oh, Master Bull:
 
Again, you have hit the nail square on the head.  How did our world come to this state where women try to be more like men, giving up their natural feminine grace and sensuality; and men often seek to be "feminized" (getting in touch with their feminine side? what? where did that come from?)
 
This girl prefers that men not smell pretty (there is no cologne that comes close to the male scent, sweaty or not);  she hates tassled loafers, mens' designer jeans and  - oh! Never mind, please; arrow has been warned about ranting! 
 
Kneeling at Master's feet, this girl finds contentment and belonging.  She is not his equal, and no longer seeks or pretends to be.  Even at Master's most implacable and resolute, arrow is comforted by his strength and guidance (stern as that may be at times).  This girl was so lost, but has now been found.
 
This girl wishes you and yours well, Master Bull.
 
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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 7/1/2007 7:56:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx
Tal you pretty little wench,
You went directly to one point I wanted this story to go to, as it applied to Gor. In the idea of a Gorean society there are no weak men, all men are raised to embrace that which they are. The Warrior, the Scribe, the Builder, the Farmer, the Leather Craftsman, the Machinist, the Truck Driver, Ok, no truckers on Gor. But we are attempting to apply it here, aren't we? No matter the caste, the thing of importance is we all serve our role and are happy and content within our purpose.


No weak men?  As applied to Gor, there weaker Men. There will always be the weaker and the stronger. In strength of Will, of Body, or in combination. Samos, Tarl, ... As applied to Gor, both were inequal to each other, and more versed in various others things unequal to each other. Further, commnet was made about nice warrior who sacraficed himself, of his weakness, that allowed the Golden Mask of Tharna (I forget her name off hand) to escape. Nice story though...

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Men have should really have no need to compete for power, not all men are naturally designed to be the leader, but they are all designed to insure accountability of the efforts of those around them.


Everyone competes for everything. This is the natural state of specie, both human, and every other..... Nice Uptopia but unfortunitly Uptopia do not exist. Further, everyone pretty much competed for everything else in the books as well, pretty much on the same lines of what is otherwise just natural to do. If there were no competition, and the same not naturally so, then nature would be stagnant, and there would be no progress in anything, on any subject, or on any front.

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Accountibility in the scribes writing, in the leaders leading and the craftsman crafts. 


A lot of people, in the books, got away with a lot of things, as the world here, and the only thing that limited these people was another persons sword.

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Weak men only exist within a society that does not except a man for that which he is, a society where a man is seen as less or more important and that in turn effects his personal pride and acceptance.


This only effects a persons pride only if he really gives a rats ass to be accepted or not, by others. If he does, then yes he is at the beckon or is slave of the that particular group for he must compromise himself to fit in.

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It isn't the best man that is a leader, it's the best leader that is leader. In the books no man was to good to share bread with another, these pesky social practices that insured a man's social freedoms created a sence of harmony.


This is an oxymoron. If he is the best leader per se he is the best man. Not everyone got a long in the books, nor here, or any place else. Perhaps created a sense of harmony but as with the fiction of society fall short when nature took over and the natural inclinations to compete resumed.

Rapture

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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 7/1/2007 9:41:26 AM   
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you know what........nevermind, this is just the same story, different day with you..........Best of luck to you

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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 7/1/2007 1:42:52 PM   
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Tal,

It is a Man's thoughts, not the fucking gospel for all to live by. Bull, I enjoyed the story do not let anyone push your buttons for the sake of pushing them, your stronger and better than that my friend. You're competitive and love a good debate but it is just not worth lowering yourself.

Mark

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RE: The Cycles of Life, or something like that. - 7/1/2007 2:09:31 PM   
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Tal,
It is a Man's thoughts, not the fucking gospel for all to live by. Bull, I enjoyed the story do not let anyone push your buttons for the sake of pushing them, your stronger and better than that my friend. You're competitive and love a good debate but it is just not worth lowering yourself.
Mark


If someone does not wish comment then perhaps those persons should not post on any type of forum.
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