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RE: Molding a slave - 6/30/2007 11:57:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: aeaa

aea has encountered more than one man who has mistaken "control" for "mastery"....

Of course, the word "molding" could be replaced by many other words, in aea's thinking it seemed most apropos at the time, Master.

Hello aea,

I understand. And in fact I think the "clay" metaphor is perfectly appropriate to a control fetish. I just think it must be considered to fail when applied to Gorean slavery, for what seems to me a rather obvious reason. Clay is neither living nor intelligent. There's nobody there. You're alone, having a nice day with yourself.

In other words, I agree with you.

IWYW,

Kirata

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RE: Molding a slave - 6/30/2007 12:40:35 PM

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Tal Kirata,

So this is a bone pick over a word used to illistrate a metaphor? (Clay)

I'm not sure, but is it altogether possible that this analogy may in fact be veiwed differently by different men. An artist would perhaps like this analogy, a warrior make liken his slut with a sword, or a shield; all tools that suit his purpose. I'm not sure what you are disliking in the clay analogy. Unless you are insisting that clay is a useless chunk, plain lifeless substance. Hell, I know Goreans that describe sluts that are trained in that fashion, I may not agree with it, but it is their choice to view their property in that fashion; I guess.

I must be missing the point here....And I assure you friend, it wouldn't be the first time I missed the mark.

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RE: Molding a slave - 6/30/2007 5:39:02 PM

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Tal Bull,

Well, I think that the way Gorean men view and treat their girls is part and parcel of what distinguishes them as Gorean. When a Gorean man buys a girl in the books, not as trade goods or for her labor but because he desires her, the nature of the relationship is repeatedly portrayed as having certain characteristics.

A girl, of course, wants to be bought by a strong master who wants her for himself, muchly desiring and lusting for her, not for her brand. When a girl is bought, of course, it is commonly because the man wants her, she, the female, and is willing to put down his hard-earned money for her and her alone, for she is alone; all she brings from the block is herself; she is a slave; she cannot bring wealth, power, or family connections; she comes naked and sold; it is she alone he buys. ~ Slave Girl

Ultimately, it becomes about love and the conditions for love. If we didn't desire the girl we own and quite definitely care about her, why would we be wasting our time with her? I think Norman is describing a form of natural love as opposed to romantic love.

We rode on for a while more. Then I asked, "By the way, as a matter of fact, what did you pay for her?"
Kamchak's face was black with rage. He looked at Harold, who smiled innocently and questioningly, and then at me, who was only honestly curious.
Kamchak"s hands were like white clubs knotted on the reins of the kaiila.
"Ten thousand bars of gold," he said. ~Nomads

Call it what you will, Goreans are uniformly fond of their girls. At least, I've never met a Gorean who wasn't. We don't make a show of it, and perhaps on occasion we may be inclined to deny it completely, but we truly are or else we wouldn't own them. It seems to me that, to a Gorean, owning a pleasure slave for some other reason than the fact that you are genuinely fond of her, desire her, enjoy interacting with her, and want to keep her, would not make much sense.

So becoming the object of a total-control fetish, or an artist's lump of clay, does not strike me as entering into a form of Gorean slavery.

Kirata

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RE: Molding a slave - 6/30/2007 7:37:44 PM

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Tal Kirata,

That's a fair enough answer, I now understand what seemingly bit you. It appears you see the lump of clay analogy as a face value item. Just a useless inanimate object. That explains your feelings and I can surely appriciate that. I agree that I would not want just any female, I would want one that would seemingly be able to tickle my fancy so to speak.

Of course as a man that actually sits in auction houses and buys livestock, I will tell you that beyond the physical aspects one can never be to sure of the objects true nature and abilities. I can determine her projected birthing ease, her depth in girth, length of frame, the conformation of the animal, and I might even get a hint of temperment. How ever the little beast is most likely untrained and in need of the cowboys hand. There is indeed much work ahead before that first date with a steer at the local team ropin'. I had assumed that was what the word molding represented; understanding, a garnered trust, training and finally performance.

I'm just a bit simple at times is all.

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RE: Molding a slave - 6/30/2007 8:55:13 PM

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Greetings Master Bull,

This little filly sure would like to tickle your fancy! :)

: swishes her tail ever-so-seductively :

Well wishes,

aea

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RE: Molding a slave - 6/30/2007 9:06:40 PM

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Greetings Master Kirata,

I understand more clearly now. The comparison between a Gorean kajira and a lump of clay hopefully is a very poor one even under the worst of conditions! Admittedly, I am not very BDSM oriented and didn't realize that there was such a thing as a "control fetish."

It still makes me wonder how some might mistaken control as mastery, Master, no matter what it's called. Thank you so much for giving me better insight and more food for thought!

Well wishes,

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RE: Molding a slave - 6/30/2007 10:30:12 PM

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Tal aeaa
Greetings to the free and the owned
aeaa it's nice to be talking with you again. Things have been very hectic but relate directly to your question. This past sat. I added a slave to my chain. This slave has many years of experience and has even been under some Gorean Masters. However it's been about 2 years since she's been in a M/s D/s and the mindset and attitude isn't there. she's submitted as a service slave. So it's not just molding that's needed but reaquainting her with who she is. This might be said of any slave when she first transitions to a new Master. I believe this because a Master should awaken new feelings in any slave he aquires. If it's just the same old same old why would she submit to one Master and why would he want a slave that gets the same feelings from him as any other Master? How is he unique? It's his life experiances, passions, desires and yes even fantasies that mold her into a slave that will be pleasing to him.
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RE: Molding a slave - 7/1/2007 8:03:25 AM

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We rode on for a while more. Then I asked, "By the way, as a matter of fact, what did you pay for her?"
Kamchak's face was black with rage. He looked at Harold, who smiled innocently and questioningly, and then at me, who was only honestly curious.
Kamchak"s hands were like white clubs knotted on the reins of the kaiila.
"Ten thousand bars of gold," he said. ~Nomads

... As with Rask never paying for a slave but only taking her from whomever, but in the case of Tarl, "raided" nice joint in Port Kar and stole that girl back so to speak but left I believe two bags of gold. Interesting enough, Tarl, hearing the commotions did nothing, persumably knowing what was going on.

One value exchanged for another... property bought and sold.

As for molding a slave per se, perhaps quote some of the things Kamchak did, perhaps with a dung bag, or perhaps some of the things Rask did to the women to show them or mold them into place?

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RE: Molding a slave - 7/1/2007 8:07:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: Totalmaster4you
If it's just the same old same old why would she submit to one Master and why would he want a slave that gets the same feelings from him as any other Master? How is he unique? It's his life experiances, passions, desires and yes even fantasies that mold her into a slave that will be pleasing to him.
TM4Y

You are so right, same olde same olde ...............

Perhaps one Man, did not see her lock, and therefore did not nor could not unlock that lock for he did not have the key. Perhaps he was unwilling or unable to chip away at the stone in such a manner that was required to do so.....

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RE: Molding a slave - 7/1/2007 11:50:46 AM

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this girl does live the gorean lifestyle as she is with here Master 24/7 even though W/we are on the road 30-35 days as Master is a truck driver and this girl is with Him no disrespect read O/our profiles

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