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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/8/2007 8:08:10 AM   
KnightofMists


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ORIGINAL: zindyslave

It is what he expects of me because he gets frustrated and angry when I don't do what he wants. I just think that I am still stuck in how our relationship used to be and am having problems switching over from that mindset. Sometimes I can do it and sometimes I can't. It is like I have to be in that mind set before I will do it. And I am not always in that mindset. I am hoping with time I can get in that mind set, but alot of people on here say they are submissive because it came natural, and it doesn't come natural to me all the time. I guess I am just stubborn. I don't really know.


Ok.. I think I need to make alittle longer post here.   I appreciate that you listening to his expectations and judgement.  and still it's not working at any consistent level.  What needs to occur is a deeper introspective look on both your parts.  A look to establish when the Desired result is not achieved and why.  I will give you an equation that I learned and kink-ified.

DOMS = SUCCESS

D - Direction.  It is critical that each and every expectation to obey is clearly understood by the slave/submissive.  If it is not clearly understood, the slave/sub will be fortuanate to reach an expectation of the Master/Doms.  of course this is where communication is so critical.  My girls are instructed to always ask... What, Where, When & How in understanding clearly what I want.  They are not to take action to fulfill my instructions unless they feel confident that they understand what I want.  I in turn will do my best to ensure they clearly understand.  Often times when the expectation is not met, I have found that poor Direction was the fault.  We have come away thinking that they eveyone understood.  But, with some communicating.. there was a miscommunication that create a situation that lacked Clear Direction and thus it was doomed to fail.  Yes, there is faults to be laid.. sometimes it's the girls fault and sometimes it's mine.  However, what is more important is not laying blame but fixing the problem so that Direction is Clear!

O - Opportunity.  It is critical that any expectation/instruction given that they slave/sub has a reasonable opportunity to achieve it.  It is pointless to tell a slave/sub to paint the outside of the house in the next two weeks and it rains every day of those two weeks.  It's clear that the slave/sub doesn't have an chance to succeed.  When failure occurs... it's important for the Master/Dom to consider if the slave/sub had a reasonable opportunity to achieve success.  Keep in mind, that a sub/slave will also have there own opinion in this regard.  It's important to peel back the onion of failure and get to the heart.  Discard the excuses and accept the Reasons for failed opportunity to succeed.

M - Motivation.  Generally speaking this likely the hardest to establish.  However, unless a person is truly motivated to want to do the job it will not likely be achieved.  Putting half efforts extra are often times a question of motivation.  It could be a slave/sub doesn't agree with the decision etc.  and they are allowing their own judgement to affect their performance.  When it's a motivation problem, I consider it to be the most serious of the failures to success.  Poor motivation can make a relationship completely disfunctional.

S - Skill.  It is without question that the slave/sub needs to have the required ability to achieve the task at hand.  Sometimes judging the skill is more subjective than objective.  One must be honest with the skills one has.  A Master/Dom that attempts to have slave/sub perform a task or duty that is beyond their skill can do alot of Damage to the slave/subs esteem and the relationship in the long-term.  A slave/sub must be reasonable in what they think they can do. 

Success in my mind is depend on Direction, Opportunity, Motivation & Skill.   Consider carefully where you think you are failing.  Discuss it with your Master.  Do not focus on "YOU" but focus on the equation. 

D O M S  =  S U C C E S S

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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/8/2007 8:19:37 AM   
GhitaAmati


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My husband and I are doing the same thing, in that we got married 4 years ago as your typical vanilla couple. I had been in the lifestyle for many years before though and had decided that I didnt need it because I had gotten burned out by a bad relationship. I decided to "give up" looking for a Dom or even a man in any sense. Met my husband at work and things went from there. We began a wonderful realtionship, I was compleatly honest with him about my past, and he was open to it, but at the time I insited I didnt want or need any part of it anymore. Over time, Ive realized how wrong I was, and we have begun to explore SM together. He has been in a past realtionship with someone in the lifestyle, and been to many play parties, but really wasnt ever into it himself, so in our situation, he is the novice, not me. Its frustrating to both of us, because there are alot of times I forget that he is still learning. expecially when we are in the middle of a pretty intense scene and fairly deep into subspace and he has to drag me back out of it to ask some question to me. Which makes it really hard for me to answer sometimes, I have to form my answers very carefully so as not to ruin the dynamic of the situation and make it seem like im topping from the bottom. I have been lucky in that I knew many people already in the lifestyle, whom I trusted and had played with previously so I knew their style of SM. We have gone to them, both privatly and at public play parties for mentoring and support. Over the past year, our relationship has really grown and I attribute that to how well we are able to communicate. I dont think we would have that if we hadnt already formed a relationship before we added the SM. Alot of times he tell me he feels like he is letting me down because he doesnt think he is as good a Dom as I deserve, and I generally keep telling him hes a nutcase and I love him even more for learning all this just for me.

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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/8/2007 8:21:03 AM   
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That makes sense and I think if I was pushed in a way that was postive to me that I would do more for him I just need a reason to do so. Motivation would help, but it seems to me if I have something that will motivate me to do something besides pleasing him that I am somehow not doing what he wants of me.

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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/8/2007 8:25:23 AM   
KnightofMists


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quote:

ORIGINAL: zindyslave

That makes sense and I think if I was pushed in a way that was postive to me that I would do more for him I just need a reason to do so. Motivation would help, but it seems to me if I have something that will motivate me to do something besides pleasing him that I am somehow not doing what he wants of me.


mmmmm... instead of being motivated to please him.. or instead of motivated to please yourself

How about.. being motivated to please the relationship!  The two of you need to figure out what you both want for the Relationship!  The Relationship needs to be the focus!

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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/8/2007 8:49:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: zindyslave

He gets annoyed at me over it alot. And that makes me feel like a failure and I get weepy and cry because I want to please him but for some reason I don't. Its like my mind doesn't want me to.


anyone who manipulates me or my emotions to the point where i feel bad about myself, isn't someone i'd try to, let alone want to, please.  submission, for me, is empowering, not something that makes me feel like shit!

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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/8/2007 9:11:40 AM   
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You are not alone i struggled a bit early on in my relationship.  There was something Master wanted me to do and though i tried i could not do it.  I started crying because i felt i had displeased him and was not a good enough sub.  He hugged me and asked why i was crying i told him.  He said don;t cry you could not do it i understand.   You are still MY good girl. 

You should tell your husbband you are struggling with you submission.  Maybe he can help.

Matt's littleone

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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/8/2007 10:40:21 AM   
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We are going to talk and I will update after the talk. Thanks for the support.

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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/8/2007 11:26:26 AM   
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I'll add that you guys should stop trying ti live up to some ideal ideas of what you consider "all this" to be and really just sit down and decide exactly how YOU want to be TOGETHER.

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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/8/2007 11:32:08 AM   
RaynaSub


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Zindy, maybe you have a communication problem.
My Master and I were good friends before we began our relationship.
My Master even wrote down what he was looking for, his needs and expectations.
I agreed and we have had few problems in the area of expectations.
Master knows I am human and I have a family and career and a life outside of
our relationship.
Master also has a life outside of our relationship.
I think this helps us create a balance, and works for us.

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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/8/2007 11:59:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

quote:

ORIGINAL: zindyslave

That makes sense and I think if I was pushed in a way that was postive to me that I would do more for him I just need a reason to do so. Motivation would help, but it seems to me if I have something that will motivate me to do something besides pleasing him that I am somehow not doing what he wants of me.


mmmmm... instead of being motivated to please him.. or instead of motivated to please yourself

How about.. being motivated to please the relationship!  The two of you need to figure out what you both want for the Relationship!  The Relationship needs to be the focus!


Now these are commonsense
(which is most uncommon as to be an oxymoron)
Words of Wisdom, Knight... applicable to all of Heart.

Thanks ~k

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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/8/2007 12:02:01 PM   
kiyari


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Sounds like it's time for a serious sit down of "I consistently feel that you are displeased with me and it is causing me to lack motivation and confidence in myself and the relationship.  What ways can we work better together so that we are both satisfied?"


The practical approach...
where the subordinate partner has confidence sufficient to bring this up.

Doms/Masters need to ensure (those who take interest, that is)
that their dependents have confidence or forum to do this.

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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/8/2007 12:24:02 PM   
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Well, we have talked and it seems both of us are having some problems with the relationship, so we are going to start working on all the small things that lead up to the big things. He now knows how I am feeling in this and I know how he is feeling. So, hopefully we can come to a common ground. Thanks for the advice and the support.

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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/8/2007 3:22:45 PM   
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greetings all, greetings zindyslave,

mia only has one piece of advice for you.  The "transformation" to slave takes time.  In the beginning, you will be very "resistant" (if that is the word), and as time goes on, and your trust in your Master's decisions grows, you will give more of yourself.

mia had a situation recently where she was literally forced into submitting, and it was just the "kick in the ass" that she needed to get over the last of her defenses.

she feels that she's now on the right path to pleasing her Master.

It is hard, but you will get there too!

mia wishes well,

mia{L}
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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/8/2007 4:40:46 PM   
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When I first moved in with Master, I always felt that I wasn't good enough, not doing enough, not pleasing him, etc.  I felt so fortunate to be owned by him and to be allowed to live the way that I had been striving for years, that I wanted to always give 110% and more.  And, we had many discussions of my not feeling that I was doing enough for him.  Master, in fact, was quite pleased with my service.  He taught me to take baby steps and to let the service flow naturally.  He also taught me not to assume nor to think for him - if he is unhappy with an aspect of my service that he will let me know.

It really does take time to settle in and it does take time to blend the service with the marriage.  Trust that your master will let you know when something is not being doing to satisfaction - take time to enjoy your new life and feel blessed in it.

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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/8/2007 5:49:52 PM   
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zindy,

i guarentee you are not alone in your feelings.  From time to time i feel the same way.  Feel as though I'm not good enough and cant please the one that i serve like i should.  I suggest you take some you time, self reflect, get to know yourself better within the lifestyle and share your findings with your owner.  If you need help i'm sure myself or many of the other girls would be more than happy to help you out.

Best Wishes,

~meticulous~

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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/8/2007 8:32:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: zindyslave

Lately I have felt like I am failing my Master. I am having doubts that I can be a slave the way my Master wants me to be.


You're not the only one, zindy. I don't focus too much on failing - I'm not a perfectionist by any stretch of the imagination - but sometimes I feel like I am over-achieving, which gives me a case of the guilts at times. It's nothing that he does or says that gives me the guilt - it's all in trying to deal with past issues.

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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/8/2007 8:40:46 PM   
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Greetings to the op,

i personally feel that way very often. i have been a slave for many years but to me it is an ever changing always learning journey. There is always something i feel i can improve on and so i strive to do just that. If ever there comes a day when i think okay i am a perfect slave and no one can teach me anything else it will be the day i know stanility has set in and i need to be put out to pasture. Each morning when i wake up i know it is a new day and i know there will be something to come my way which will give me pause and make me think how i can improve. i do wish you the best of luck. One little thing always remember to have fun.
Respectfully

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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/9/2007 3:26:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I'll add that you guys should stop trying ti live up to some ideal ideas of what you consider "all this" to be and really just sit down and decide exactly how YOU want to be TOGETHER.


Agreed. I get myself all tied up in knots (and not the good kind) when trying to be what i feel a submissive "should" be. i hate "shoulds"

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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/9/2007 7:17:57 PM   
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Well, I am not trying to live up to any ideals of how things should be, I am doing my best being in the first few months of living like this and I guess I think I should feel more at ease but I do not.

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RE: Do you ever feel like you are not living up to what... - 7/10/2007 8:45:07 PM   
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Yeah, that's when I'd say "Shut up and tolerate it, bitch!" oh wait, maybe that's why I'm not a sub...

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