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Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/15/2007 2:01:25 AM   
nephandi


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A few years back i took up embrodiry and knitting, in a way doing those typically female things made me feel more femenine, it sort of created a conection whit women through the ages that have been doing textile art and work of some kind. Some ime ago to this was about the only accsepted hobby of a woman, at least in the craft department. What i was wondering is, would Gorean men that often wish women to be more femenine have prefered heir slaves and perhaps Free companions to to have typical women's hobbies like embroidery, or knitting or sewing to more masquline craft hobbies and the such.

Yes i know it is a silly question and please forgive me, it just got on my mind.

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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/15/2007 2:30:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		nephandi,
Obviously asha cannot answer for the Men, nor is asha sure of what you mean by 'masquline' hobbies.  For asha, the crocheting, embroidery, needlework of various kinds, lends to a calming effect, but also a satisfying sense of creation and accomplishment.  Master also enjoys the needlework asha does, mostly because asha depicts wolves mainly, which He adores *s* but also because He realizes that this small thing gives asha satisfaction.
While sewing and needlework have generally been seen as 'womens crafts', asha has known many a male to also do such works and win many contests and prizes for them!
asha hopes You enjoy :)
 
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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/15/2007 3:42:27 AM   
nephandi


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Yes to day many men do textile crafts like knitting and sewing. What i mean was sort of is it more common for Gorean women to have more traidional female hobbies?

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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/15/2007 7:54:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		To me, this is an interesting question.
 
I started playing the piano when I was thirteen, and the guitar when I was about sixteen. I haven't dated a Gorean, but what I've generally noticed about guys I know, is that playing the piano for them is highly sexy, while playing the guitar for them is not.
 
I've always wondered if this had something to do with a guitar being a "guy's instrument" ... or, the truth may be that I'm just a ton better on the piano and my guitar skills are pretty average.

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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/15/2007 9:44:44 AM   
nephandi


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i have also found that when i do my masquline hobbies like computer games i am treated like a boy, but when i do emboidery i am treated like a girl, as if i am more femenine when i sit whit a needle and tread then when i sit whit a joypad.

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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/15/2007 11:34:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings nephandi,
ameenah is a little confused.... do you mean that your Master treats you like a boy when you play computer games??????

As for ameenah, Master encourages her to work on her body, mind, and spirit each day.  Each day ameenah must do something to take care of her body (eat right, working out, etc), her mind (reading, writing, etc) and her spirit.  Master feels, besides meditation... it is important to do something creative each day to nourish a girl's spirit.  Generally, ameenah likes to do cross stitch, gardening and music (sing, play flute, etc).  ameenah generally does not like computer games or more 'manish' kind of creative activities... but this girl does enjoy working on household projects to beautify the home and yard, and ameenah guesses those are things that both Men and women can do.

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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/15/2007 11:47:15 AM   
MstrssPassion


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Status: offline 		this is not a matter of "today men do such things" because men did such all through history.

Placing gender upon an activity or hobby isn't really appropriate.

Take Rosey Grier, all pro football player, played for the LA Rams... masculine guy without a doubt but he had a passion for embroidery. Contrast that to what I just witnessed, Danika Patrick came in 3rd with Indy Firestone 200... pretty lady out there hanging tough with the guys in a male dominated sport.

People enjoy certain activities for many reasons & in all reality... gender doesn't really define what they may or may not enjoy (or find that they naturally take to)

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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/15/2007 11:57:29 AM   
aeaa


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Status: offline 		Greetings Masters & Mistresses,
Greetings girls,
 
This is a wonderful topic.
 
aea has always enjoyed working with her hands.  The fulfillment of such accomplishment is nearly unmatched.  she has done a variety of crafts, however most with sewing and other needlework.  Right now she is focusing upon needlepoint, counted cross-stitch and latch hook rugs.
 
she knows that her former owner appreciated her abilities and skills and encouraged them greatly.  He liked having things around the home that aea had made.  He also often assigned certain tasks to her for household decorations that she was to create.  It was wonderful! 
 
she continues and has taken the time to craft some patterns that have a Gorean flare as well.  It is something she wishes she had more time to enjoy doing.  Like many, it is her goal to one day be able to open a small craft shop where she can pass on what she knows, learn from others and devote the time to things she loves.
 
Maybe if others were interested and the Free had no objection, we might create a thread to share ideas and websites, catalogs, patterns, etc.
 
Well wishes,
 
aea


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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/15/2007 12:50:56 PM   
shanaT


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Status: offline 		greetings Masters
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Actually Rosey Grier was known for needle point.  He even wrote a book called 'Needlepoint For Men'. 

As sh`ana understands it this thread is about what Gorean's feel about a slave engaging in hobbies traditionally viewed as masculine.  It does not matter if the rest of creation feels that.....

"Placing gender upon an activity or hobby isn't really appropriate."
 
Well wishes
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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/15/2007 3:29:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: shanaT

greetings Masters
greetings Mistresses
greetings slaves

Actually Rosey Grier was known for needle point.  He even wrote a book called 'Needlepoint For Men'. 

As sh`ana understands it this thread is about what Gorean's feel about a slave engaging in hobbies traditionally viewed as masculine.  It does not matter if the rest of creation feels that.....

"Placing gender upon an activity or hobby isn't really appropriate."
 
Well wishes
sh`ana{T}


Since others can participate, we can voice our opinions on this thread to how stupid it sounds in today's day and age to discuss jobs that are uniquely feminine or masculine....Any Gorean male nurses?....Pussies each and everyone of them!!!

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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/15/2007 3:53:35 PM   
aeleberaNB


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Greetings girls:

~~smiles~~

i love to crochet, knitting is something i can do once someone helps get me started... sewing is out for me unless it is to mend a hole, darn socks or sew a button back on a shirt.

i also love to do wood working with a friend when we get together and have made a maple paddle that has most definitely been put to use and will again when i see Master.

Master insists that i do something for me each day as well, be it that i do my crunches and push ups, soak in a hot bath or whatever i feel that will help me unwind and relax within reason.

wishing you well,
aelebera{NB}

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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/15/2007 4:17:44 PM   
nephandi


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quote:

ameenah is a little confused.... do you mean that your Master treats you like a boy when you play computer games??????


No my Master do not, but i have notices this in our friends. They expect a tomgirl from a gamer and a lady from a seamstress.

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People enjoy certain activities for many reasons & in all reality... gender doesn't really define what they may or may not enjoy (or find that they naturally take to)


i agree whit that Mistress, and i do alot more typical masquline things like computer games than femenine things, and yes a gender on activities is perhaps not right. my question was just if it was so that in the Gorean lfiestyle where Gorean men generally want their slaves to be as femenine as possible, if they then prefered her to have more typically and historically femenine hobbies as well.

quote:

she continues and has taken the time to craft some patterns that have a Gorean flare as well.  It is something she wishes she had more time to enjoy doing.  Like many, it is her goal to one day be able to open a small craft shop where she can pass on what she knows, learn from others and devote the time to things she loves.


i would love to see some Gorean inspired embrodiry patterns, i think that would be wonderful decorations for our home. Also it give a little extra feeling as it are strong indication that in Viking sosiety it was considerd a point of pride for a man if his woman was good whit her hands and he often then had her work displayed on his walls.

One funny ting, i was once in a coven, we were three girls and two boys, and all the three women was doing some sort of textile craft, it was real fun, the men just looked at us and shook their heads. :)

i wish you all well






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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/15/2007 7:25:36 PM   
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If you look in the Victorian era there were other past things that were consideed the proper outlets for a female to do.  Such as to learn to play a musical instrument, sing, paint, arrange flowers, to even plant flower gardens, or herb gardens.  I myself enjoy painting and writing stories but the writing of stories was not considered a proper outlet for femals.  Especially my kind of stories hummmm LOL.

peace be to all

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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/16/2007 2:15:20 AM   
nephandi


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Thosa kind of stories would most likely not be decent for men to write either? ;)

i wish you well


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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/16/2007 6:48:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		nephandi, thank you for this thread!

I consider myself fairly feminine, yet I am not very often treated as such in my daily life. See, I have a degree in construction. I learned woodworking from my grandfather when I was very little, and was rasied in a hardware store. I have always had a love for working with my hands, the satifaction of building something for someone to use. Whether its a small wooden toy for a child, or framing a house for a family. Most of my schooling, I was the only female in all of my classes, I was rediculed for being there, I had teachers who insisted I couldnt compleate the course. I even had one teacher "Refuse" to teach me. I had to travel to another college to compleate that course. I now do what I love, but many times dont get a job I know I could do well because men cant imagine having a female build something for them. My friends and aquaintences who know what I do, have seen my work and respect me for it. It is something I get true enjoyment from. I would much rather be in my woodshop building something than going shoe shopping with other women my age.

Now, given that everyone I know sees me as this tomboyish person who enjoys construction and electrical work...the number of people whose mouth has dropped open at the sight of me cooking, or sewing never stops surprising me. I am actually a pretty good seamstress and sew medieval costumes for the SCA. I see sewing in the same light as I see my woodworking. I am creating a peice of art with my own hands. Both are calming, and relaxing. Yet because I enjoy one, everyone is shocked that I can also enjoy the other!

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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/16/2007 7:00:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Embroidery and knitting are very boring hobbies.
Drag racing and riding dirtbikes are my hobbies.
I find that the males I hang out with think it's very sexy
and cool that I know as much or more about cars and motorcycles
as they do.


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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/16/2007 7:17:24 AM   
nephandi


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i have always been one of the boys so to speak. i like computers, computer games and boyish hobbies. i like action movies and horror flicks not dramas, imagine the suprise on one of my friends faces when he visited and found me beading a neclace not long ago, he was in complete sock i could do that. A girl that know about electronics and computers, a geek girl so to speak dont beat jewlery do she it seams he was thinking at the time. :)

i wish you well


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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/16/2007 7:36:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder why the OP thinks certain activities are considered masculine.  Is it because it requires more strength physically, is it because we have to use the more technical side of our brains.  Why are others considered feminine?  My dad taught me to knit and crochet, he also taught me to cook.  Mom taught me to clean, she wasn't very good at it.  I used to hang out at the print shop with my dad, he was a typesetter in the 60's and 70's talk about a dirty environment.  Then updated his skills to be a computer analyst.  That was my haven.  I could throw a spiral by the time I was 10 years old and could play football with the best of them.  HOWEVER, I was very much a girl and still am.  I am very logical and technical but I am also very nurturing and sensitive. 

I don't think certain activities can be separated by gender.  However, I do understand what you are saying about some men wanting their women to participate in activities deemed more feminine.



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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/16/2007 7:50:56 AM   
nephandi


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quote:

I wonder why the OP thinks certain activities are considered masculine.  Is it because it requires more strength physically, is it because we have to use the more technical side of our brains.


i like i have said other places simply mean traditional and historical femenine hobbies. i know full well that men and sew and woman can repair cars, but i am thinking form a historical point of wiew in my original post.

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RE: Women's hobbies like embroidery. - 7/16/2007 8:00:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I guess it would depend on what your historical view is.  Mine is that my grandmother was raised on a farm and she and her sisters just like her brothers were expected to be up at the crack of dawn doing farm chores.  She plowed fields as well as gathered eggs.  The males did the same....My historical view is also the black american slave....the women were treated no differently than the men...they were all expected to do it all.  That for the most part has passed down in the families.  We all do it all.  There are no gender lines when it comes to work and hobbies.

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