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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/21/2007 9:17:10 PM

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I think it's a great fantasy, and it's cool to see that it's not just a fantasy from the submissive side of the house. I don't really have much more to add that's any different than some of the previous posts already in this thread.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/21/2007 10:03:31 PM

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grins...cant imagine drugs getting a male to do anything usefull, hell ill serve because I want to...and hopefully my domme will want to be in control when i submit..of my own accord

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/21/2007 10:05:43 PM

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grins and hopes its a strong box...plexiglass doesnt like a strong palm strike...but the idea mmmmmm

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/21/2007 10:25:40 PM

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I would serve on my on accord also but…if she has gone to all the trouble to abduct and drug me she must really like me. Besides the idea of escaping from this situation would be no fun.
If I won the lottery for a few million I wouldn’t say “gee I make enough money at work I will just give the check to charity”)
Same thing kidnapped and held captive by sexy Domme...I would rather go with the flow then escape.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/21/2007 10:47:28 PM

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oh man, that just blew my whole night all to hell. i hadnt thought about the pratical side of things. that isnt in my job description..hehe..

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/22/2007 2:08:55 AM

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what about one of those that just render you paralazed, but still aware? totally coherent of what is happening. you can still feel it all, but cant do a blessed thing about it.

oh my.. cold shower now..

lee

now that sounds like more fun to me
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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/22/2007 6:25:56 AM

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wow sounds like Wwe are all on the same wavelength - mmmm what fun kidnapping, drugging unconscious and then tormenting

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/22/2007 7:39:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: leakylee

oh man, that just blew my whole night all to hell. i hadnt thought about the pratical side of things. that isnt in my job description..hehe..

Sorry about that. Just thought "better safe than a hot-looking corpse".

And it's still doable, but requires medical training and either ventilation equipment or a lot of time with locally-acting muscle relaxants. If I find a safe'ish way to do it, I'll be sure to make a thread about it. Depending on what "did it for you" about that fantasy, it may be possible to find something else that will give you some of what you were looking for with less risk.

If the idea is to be fully aware but paralyzed, I haven't a clue right now, but will be looking into it.
If the idea is to be merely conscious and unable to resist, I have several ideas.
Just depends on what you're looking for, and so forth.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/22/2007 7:40:55 AM

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cant imagine drugs getting a male to do anything usefull

Depends on the mix, and how you define useful.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/22/2007 12:17:26 PM

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Definitely. I recall having conversations not too long ago with a doctor friend of mine in a completely vanilla environment where he confessed to me that he's had a sedation fantasy. The gist of it was that he would be found attractive by a fem healthcare practitioner, lured out somewhere on a date, and then knocked out. He said in his mind, he'd gotten to the point that he begged to be rendered unconscious for her. What you do with them while they're out, other than monitor their respirations and heart rate and pray you don't have to intubate them for airway protection is beyond me. It was hot to think at that level of control! He'd have to be dating an anesthesiologist or an NA to get that level of skill involved....

I am an amateur hypnoteuse, and that sort of thing has always been enjoyable as well. Just seeing the mind yield so willingly is an amazingly powerful experience.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/22/2007 12:39:35 PM

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If the idea is to be fully aware but paralyzed, I haven't a clue right now, but will be looking into it.

While it is possible to do it, it's just not practical in the environment that we play in. Here's why.

There are drugs used for rapid sequence intubation that facilitate paralysis -- it's the induction of general (temporary) anesthesia for the purpose of putting a tube down one's throat. There are 4 pharmacologic components to it -- analgesia, muscle relaxation, amnesia/unconsciousness, and the blockade of autonomic reflex responses to stimuli The neuromuscular blockade drug is used to facilitate relaxation of the airways in order to introduce the endotracheal tube. The antianxiety/amnesic is used to keep people from freaking out that you've paralyzed their ability to move, protect their airway and breathe, as the paralytic also affects the diaphragm and intercostal muscles used to expand and contract the chest!

The important part to remember is that it's done by trained medical personnel who are using the very fast acting (within one minute) and short acting hypnotics and paralytics (some only minutes up to 30 minutes or so) AND that they are providing full ventilatory and airway support including oxygen administration in the process AND that they as providers have the capacity to monitor and treat lethal arrhythmias with a cardiac monitor/defibrillator and ACLS meds, provide suction, and monitor pulse oximetry and end tidal CO2 in expiratory air from the ETT. As a paramedic, we do RSI only in the presentation of an absolute medical emergency and there are risks of aspiration, or worse, a failed intubation that winds you up having to surgically intervene to provide an artificial airway (trach or cricothyrotomy.)

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/22/2007 1:07:58 PM

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I always thought the old Batman and Robin series was pretty hot, when the heroes always ended up knocked unconscious and woke up in tight predicament bondage.

Naturally the sorts of scenes involving being tied to a conveyer belt leading to a giant buzz saw, contraptions that flood the building with 100,000 gallons of water containing sharks and pirahnas, umbrellas that shoot poison gas and rocket packs rigged to explode are just a wee bit impractical for the average domme.

You just need to incentivize the right toy producer!

Ok, maybe the piranhas and the buzz saw and the exploding rocket packs are a bit over the top.

I wonder if there would be any kind of a market for "knockout" toys... I think a cane or an umbrella that shot phony knockout gas (just to pick one example) would be kinda cool...

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/22/2007 1:11:23 PM

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When i had my knee operated on last year, i was given a drug to immobolize my lower limbs, the feeling of trying to lift your legs and nothing happening was odd in the extreme. Then i was given a mild sedative which wore off before the operation was over. Luckily i couldn`t feel a thing but chatting to the surgeon while he stapled the wound was some experience.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/22/2007 2:30:06 PM

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Really interesting thought fodder here, thanks Aswad, Pandora and others.

Sorry though - ethical and legal issues aside, calculating dosages for chemical restraint and intubation would put me in a professional safety mindset, not a personal one. Work drudgery is not sexy. I doubt I could have any fun with this scenario unless it was strictly done on a fantasy level with no real life medical considerations required.

Tap water makes great fantasy chloroform, minus the annoying little details of stuff like IPPV and O2 support. I'll pick it every time.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/22/2007 2:36:29 PM

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No, guess its the ex cop in Me having seen one too many rapes from drugs and one too many deaths from playing with those things---besides, I WANT him to know what Im doing, when I'm doing it, if I wanted a dummy, I'd use one.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/22/2007 2:42:24 PM

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This is another one of those fetishes that does nothing for me.
Especially, the chloroform and knocking out fetish.
I enjoy my submissive awake, alert and ready for action!

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/22/2007 3:25:19 PM

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The fun isn't necessarily about messing with his unconscious body, but the whole fantasy kidnap scenario of rendering an "unwilling" strong man helpless, so that he wakes up in bondage to discover that all his body hair has been shaved, he's been "branded" as a slave (henna or nontoxic markers work great for this part), and he's about to be thoroughly taught his place, perhaps by being beaten and sexually violated. That's when the fun begins.

The actual use of chemicals for this kind of fantasy carries significant risks, but just doing it as a fantasy roleplaying scenario can be lots of fun.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/22/2007 3:53:05 PM

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kidnapp and bondage.. 2 of my fav things.. very interesting. and i agree with Najakcharmer... its not that i get to play with his unconsious body its the whole scean. being able to have that lvl of controle and to freak him/her out becuz "there urs now" is a power trip for me.. but id also love to have it done to me.. in theory anyway.. if i ever have it done that may change.. idk.

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/22/2007 6:09:07 PM

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In addition to the "fantasy" of drugging a man and having total control, a Domme has to understand the criminal aspects to this fantasy.
D/s has enough problems with police and a negative press, and i would hate to see our lifestyle again invaded by the morality storm
troopers because someone complained about being drugged and forced to do something against their will. I like the idea of wet panties,
which can accomplish the same result in a consenual way but, hey, that's me...

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RE: Kidnapping, chloroforming, knocking out...yum - 7/22/2007 6:16:32 PM

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http://www.collarchat.com/m_683593/mpage_2/key_chloroform/tm.htm#686948
this one for funsies because you know I love you all you nasty womens.

and
a way to have your chloroform and have him eat you too:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_106157/mpage_2/key_chloroform/tm.htm#109632

but don't suffocate the guy, make him play the game too.

Ron(ne)

or onion juice or garlic juice or strong smelling whatever...........

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