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RE: Welcome, Please Remove Your Shoes - 10/26/2008 5:05:30 PM   
MarcusofAr


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Tal!

Actually, that bit was originally written for BDSM aficionados as "The Dom's Creed" and has been floating around online, in various forms, since 1994 or so.

One version (posted with a copyright notice, I note) can be viewed here. There are dozens of other references to it in various web venues.

http://www.asubmissivesjourney.com/creed2.html

There's a corresponding work called "The Submissive's Creed" which is often attached to it.

At one time there were even several websites which attributed that work to me. I debunked that misassumption rather thoroughly whenever I encountered it.

I personally find it Gorean neither in intent, nor in tone.

Once, when pressed, I was challenged to write a Gorean Master's Creed. I include it below, for comparison's sake.


A (SAMPLE) GOREAN MASTER'S CREED

by _Marcus_ of Ar

Above all else a Gorean Master values his slave and understands the vulnerability of her position upon his chain. Knowing that she has assumed her correct place in the Gorean social system he is bound to compel her to behave as what she is, and to correct her as she strives to achieve the utmost fulfillment of her natural needs.
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A Gorean Master is demanding and takes full advantage of the power he wields, but accepts the responsibilty which comes with his Mastery. He takes pride in the achievements of his slaves, and rewards their devoted service by administering pleasure as he sees fit.
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A Gorean Master is first and foremost Master of himself. Until he can Master himself, how can he Master others?
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A Gorean Master holds the power to compel his slave to weep real tears, but is wise and compassionate enough to do so only in the best interests of his Mastery and to ensure that she grows in her slavery. A Gorean Master will reward his slave generously as he sees fit, also to compel obedience and to promote growth in her slavery. Whether he is punishing or comforting, he never forgets that he is the Master.
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A Gorean Master's role is never dictated merely by time or location. He will remember that the feelings and emotions of his slave are a vital part of his relationship with her, and will not hesitate to comfort or offer solace to his slave, should it seem good to him.
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To be a Gorean Master a man must be strong enough to command his slave's respect and her trust, so that she may serve him willingly in the knowledge that he will allow nothing less. A Gorean Master will strive at all times to guide and to teach a slave the truths of her position in Gorean society, and upon his chain.
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A Gorean Master is not afraid to demonstrate his humor, his kindness, and his warmth. A Gorean Master in not an uncaring machine, though often he may behave as one. The slave understands this and appreciates his softer qualities when they manifest.
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A Gorean Master should, through his deeds and actions, demonstrate to his slave that he is worthy of her service to him. He must be strong enough to maintain her under the strictest discipline even in an informal setting. He must prove himself inflexible when the situation requires it, and be wise enough to allow some leeway when it, too, is necessary.
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A Gorean Master will be strong enough to defend what is his, when it becomes necessary. He will protect his slave from the consequences of his own folly, and see to it that she is suitably corrected when she errs. He is a pillar of strength which she may lean on in times of duress, and his slave may take heart in knowing that he is there to Master her and maintain her in her slavery.
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When it comes time to instruct his slave and to compel her obedience, he is a strong and unyielding teacher. A Gorean Master will accept no flaw in his slave's performance in regards to her actions, and will make certain that those actions please persons who are free. His slave is always under his eye, even when serving another free Gorean.
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A Gorean Master may punish his slave at any time, for any reason. When he does so, however, it is always to serve a purpose, and to maintain his Mastery according to his position in Gorean society.
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A Gorean Master will always pay the strictest attention to the feelings and emotional needs of his slave, fulfilling them when he deems it appropriate.
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A Gorean Master will utilize whatever means he feels is necessary to compel his slave to accept and maintain her position in Gorean society.
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A Gorean Master seeks to learn more of himself from his slave, and is wise enough to know that he is not always correct. He expects his slave to allow him to discover these things for himself, as he is free.
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A Gorean Master understands that each partner gains most from fulfilling the other's needs, be they the need to serve or the need to command.
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And a Gorean Master knows that should he be too weak to Master his slave, she will not be his slave for long.


I wish you well,

_Marcus_


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RE: Welcome, Please Remove Your Shoes - 11/2/2008 5:36:43 PM   
angharad


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Greetings Masters, Mistresses and kajirae
 
I would like to post this as a no bullshit signpost for those who care to read it, primarily I'm addressing slave natured women.  It has been true for me, and is likely to be true for others, but I'm not speaking from any other perspective than a gorean slave who's been there and done that.  I don't want anyone to go through anything like what I have, in a helpless search for what turned out to be a Gorean Master.
 
Sadism has absolutely nothing to do with Gor.  I did read the profile clip and im not going to repost it here, because it turned my stomach.  If you feel wet when you read it, if you feel a frisson of excitement at the ideas, ask yourself this;
 
Do you want to be walking around your home, worried to relax because thats when the next loving punch will come? 
Do you want to express your love and gratitude to someone always through fear and tears because he could have hurt you alot worse and, you managed to take it? 
Do you want to strive and please someone who can only find pleasure from you by finding and isolating your own personal hell?
Will you only ever relax when you are curled up after it's all over, reassured you are loved for it?
 
Make no mistake.  Sadism is inflicting pain, physical and emotional on someone else for pleasure. I dont give a rats ass about interpretations of it, it really is that simple.  Sadism hurts.
 
The whip used by a Gorean however, is a completely different kettle of fish.  Most of the time, is used for punishment so consequentially the whip is feared because it hurts like hell!  Might he tease you with it, hell yes!  Might he caress you with it, hell yes!  Might he make you squirm and squeal with it, hell yeah!  But the gorean whip is a five bladed kurt that does not mark...the gorean man needs no scars to assure him he is loved, either emotionally or physically.
 
A gorean slave both hates and loves the whip. Loves it because you cannot unman your owner by wheddling out of your punishment. And if he will not allow you to escape your consequences, he will not allow others.  If he does not allow you to set the standards he lives by, he will not allow others.  In short he is a man.  The whip may be a symbol of the relationship you have, proof of his dominance, but does a slave actually want to see it?  Hell no. Does he take joy whipping his girl?  Hell no.  He would rather be playing with her, or eating something she's made, or having his cock sucked. 
 
Does that mean I don't thrill when I look at him, become wet when he talks to me, crawl to touch him, He needs not lay a finger on me to see my naked soul at his feet, and none of this was done with a whip, a fist, or a "you will love me when I hurt you."  It was done with lots of sexuality, lots of trust, lots of accountability, consistancy and affection. 
 
I absolutely detest BDSM or even worse sadism, dressed as Gor.  IT isnt.  The intensity of Gor comes from being who you are.  The intensity comes from knowing and living in your place, with the clarity of being able to see clearly for the first time.  And it doesnt go away, it grows with you.  When you see clearly, you can see what Gor is and what it isn't.  When you are gorean, you are the label, the label is you.  You have been, and will be again, hurt for the priviledge of claiming that label. As an entity western society has no honour, no justice and celebrates crass stupidity.  This label is our flag raised on the slopes of mediocracy against the tides of placation and demasculination.
 
Be careful, do not mistake sadism for strength, do not think that intensity comes only with pain.  There is something different, and it's called Gor.

< Message edited by angharad -- 11/2/2008 5:37:59 PM >

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RE: Welcome, Please Remove Your Shoes - 11/2/2008 6:19:45 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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Greetings girl,

I am sure that your definition of what is or is not Gor, works well in your own mind, but I for one do not need you to determine that for me. I have a slightly sadistic streak in me, as I know several others that are Gorean do as well. Do we need you to determine what is or is not Gor, if we find a bit of pleasure every now and again laying the whip to our properties flesh? No, we do not.

This is why you think clearly and know a Man before you beg his collar. Goreans are human, and that means they have all the merits and flaws humans will have. Some Goreans are honorable, some are not, some Goreans treat their property well, and some do not, some Goreans are good owners and some are not, some Goreans have mental issues and some do not. Do you get it yet?

Orion


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ORIGINAL: angharad

Be careful, do not mistake sadism for strength, do not think that intensity comes only with pain.  There is something different, and it's called Gor.


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RE: Welcome, Please Remove Your Shoes - 11/2/2008 6:29:45 PM   
angharad


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Greetings Master,

I apologise sincerely.  It was not my intent to determine anything for any of the gorean free.  I would be very grateful and relieved if you would accept my apology.

angharad. 


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RE: Welcome, Please Remove Your Shoes - 11/2/2008 9:03:16 PM   
allyC


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ORIGINAL: angharad  I did read the profile clip and im not going to repost it here, because it turned my stomach
 Hello angharad. I'm not sure which profile clip you are referring to.  Could you elaborate as I am somewhat confused.   Well wishes! Cav's ally

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RE: Welcome, Please Remove Your Shoes - 11/3/2008 4:10:15 AM   
MRandme


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Greeting angharad,

What you described as 'sadism' is abuse, regardless of what it is dressed up as. It is not a good example of true sadism, nor a relationship between most Dominants and their submissives. i have many friends who live in a D/s relationship where the Dominant is sadistic and find your labeling of such a relationship as abusive to be ignorant and narrow-minded.

Additionally, i survived a very vanilla marriage that was very like what you described, so such abuse is not limited to BDSM.

my Master is a sadist. He does NOT fit what you have written. i do not cower around Him, i do not fear Him. Being a sadist does not make a man a monster.

i have BDSM friends who speak of Gor with scorn out of ignorance, and now have a Gorean owned(?) girl speaking of BDSM with scorn out of ignorance. i find it frustrating when people judge things they don't have any experience with, or when their experience is limited to one bad example of it.

i wish you well,

g

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And thus i conclude with a wish you go well,
Sweet be your dreams, may your happiness swell,
I'll leave you here, for my journey begins
i've gone to be with Him again...

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