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RE: Enslaving an FC - 9/7/2007 6:35:42 AM

Maahsatti

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Greetings star,

well said.

If we do not put gas in our cars, they will not run.
If we do not take our dog for that walk, he will have an accident...lol
If we do not support ourselves financially and not pay bills, we will be on the streets and in the extreme, perhaps even die.
We reap, what we sow.

Only where there are true men, can there be true women.

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RE: Enslaving an FC - 9/7/2007 2:30:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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consider D/s in any form, by any label or name, if we're talking about someone who can't live without it, a sexual orientation and as such it defines that person in all places and at all times and not just when some sexual activity is taking place.

That was my answer. I'm not sure why or if it's unclear.

Good morning AK

I am a bit confused by this also. If I am reading this correctly, and if I take your words at face value, you are saying that

you see D/s ( in any form ) to be a sexual orientation? Correct?

Yet here, you say the exact opposite...
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and not just when some sexual activity is taking place

those two contradict each other.

Which one is it? If you don't mind clarifying please

Using being Gay as an example, a person isn't gay just because he fucks men. As an example, some churches allow out homosexuals to be a minister in the church so long as they are not actively practicing at the time. Sexual orientation is not just about fucking it affects who you are in general.

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RE: Enslaving an FC - 9/7/2007 3:59:00 PM

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Tal Omega,

Yes I know how it is used by those that wish to twist it into something it is not. I take extreme pride in my gender, as I believe most, if not all, Gorean Men do. I prefer the actual definition of chauvinism, and laugh at the femnazi's that try to twist it into something it is not.

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Tal Orion,

You are aware that the term "male chauvinist" was actually coined by the feminists in the 1960's as a buzz word label to invalidate any male who opposed their objectives?

Technically, Norman himself is the original chauvinist, or at least that is what has been claimed through time, and used as a reason for denying him access to publication.

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RE: Enslaving an FC - 9/7/2007 4:30:07 PM

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Technically, Norman himself is the original chauvinist, or at least that is what has been claimed through time, and used as a reason for denying him access to publication.

*blink* Um. Well, no. Nicolas Chauvin was the original chauvinist, circa the late 1700's. The term originated as a reference to irrationally fanatic loyalty to the French regime, specifically to Napoleon, and evolved into the language in the 1800's into a catch-all term for someone who is unreasonably or irrationally partisan to a specific political, social or cultural group.

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RE: Enslaving an FC - 9/7/2007 4:47:44 PM

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Najak,
Thank you!
Chauvinism, as a word, has been around a long time. John Norman, bless his heart, was not the "original" anything.
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RE: Enslaving an FC - 9/7/2007 4:47:51 PM

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Greetings to Free and property,

Omega has the right to do as he pleases, regardless of what anyone says or thinks. Everyone keeps saying that he is wrong in being this way, and frankly all of you need to look in the mirror. Omega is who he is, without apology or justification. He has used explanation, not justification, for how he believes and lives. It is the right way for him, and may be the wrong way for many of you. One thing I will say, I admire someone that can offer unapologetic explanation for a very unpopular belief, alot more than I can those that try to convince he is wrong, just because you do not agree with him.

Personally I consider his views on the extreme side of Goreans, but Gorean none the less. He offers explanation to questions posed, and many here offer derogatory comments and personal attacks. Putting those things side by side, which is closer to Gorean Morality?

Chauvinism - an attitude of superiority toward members of the opposite sex. Get the goddamn definitions correct. Najakcharmer is correct as to the origin as well.

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RE: Enslaving an FC - 9/7/2007 4:58:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf
Chauvinism - an attitude of superiority toward members of the opposite sex.

The term is still used to refer to political and occasionally racial partisanship, though much more often in this manner outside of the US. In Europe and Canada, if you use the term, you're as likely to be talking about national politics.

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RE: Enslaving an FC - 9/8/2007 1:15:23 AM

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Greetings, Orion.

Since "everyone" includes me, how about quoting me in saying that he's "wrong" in being this way?

My only contention was that, (a) when compared to the views elaborated on by other posters, some of his views have come across as a decided instance of Gor fandom, as opposed to Gorean lifestyle, and (b) some of his theories ignore observable reality to the point of living in a personal fantasy world, and (c) while he may pontificate about his interpretations as he chooses, they do appear internally inconsistent and really quite capricious at times. Hardly the universal gold standard he would appear to be touting it as.

Omega is who he is, granted, and without apology, as are most of us here.

Without justification, he might very well be, but I would say there has been more than a little of the explanations that have crossed that line. Explaining an unpopular belief, or cleaving to it, may demonstrate admirable resolve. But when those cross into answering rational, in-paradigm questions with chest-thumping and evasion, our views diverge, and your admiration stands alone; I'd find it more admirable if he'd just said "I can't present a coherent argment for my views, but I'm zealous enough to stick by my beliefs without reference to the external world."

As for considering his views Gorean, if that is the case, perhaps you can provide a more coherent argument as to how that is the case than he himself has been able to so far? In the past, you have demonstrated a capacity for lucid argument, so it would be valuable in this context. Thus far, I had the impression that Gor was fairly rational.

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RE: Enslaving an FC - 9/8/2007 7:18:00 AM

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Greetings Aswad,

I suppose everyone, was too absolute a word to use, and an incorrect use of the word. I believe the topic currently being discussed goes away from the actual topic, so I will make a simple statement and if you wish to discuss it further, then someone should start a different topic. If am going to look for a bodyguard, it will be a male that a choose, and if I am going to look for a babysitter for my children, it will be a female. My beliefs are not as far to one side as Omega's, but they are not opposed either.

Orion

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RE: Enslaving an FC - 9/8/2007 8:10:09 AM

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Tal Orion:

I also object to your characterization of the response to Omega. First, Omega has clearly presented his way as the only proper Gorean way. He basically states that anyone who disagrees with him is wrong. Second, he certainly has made derogatory comments and personal attacks on some who have dared oppose his beliefs. Third, he clearly evades and fails to address a number of questions and issues, failing to properly explain some key issues in his arguments. He is very selective in what passages he uses to support his arguments, ignoring those passages that would counter his arguments.

He certainly has the right to do as he pleases, regardless of what anyone says or thinks. But that won't stop me and others from disagreeing with his point of view. I disagree with him because I disagree with his arguments, not because I don't like his point of view. I think his position is wrong in many elements. And I dont believe he has adequately addressed my arguments.

You also stated: "Get the goddamn definitions correct."

That is an admirable position, yet it is also one that Omega fails to follow. He uses a number of vague terms without providing a proper definition.

You can admire Omega all you want. That does not mean he is correct in his views, or that others should admire him as well.

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RE: Enslaving an FC - 9/8/2007 8:15:53 AM

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Tal Luther,

Each man will have within them, something that other Men can relate to and admire, if one bothers to look closely. Looking from the outside, I see more in common between two advesaries of words, than the two will often admit.

I stated my opinion, and that is that. Do as you wish, which is your right.

Orion

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RE: Enslaving an FC - 9/8/2007 3:25:01 PM

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Greetings Master

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Using being Gay as an example, a person isn't gay just because he fucks men. As an example, some churches allow out homosexuals to be a minister in the church so long as they are not actively practicing at the time. Sexual orientation is not just about fucking it affects who you are in general.

Being gay is not a sin in itself in Christinity, at least not acording to the bible, it is doing something about it, aka fucking men that are the sin, most Churches recognise this, at least most churches i know though some belive it is just having the feelings that are sinful.

P.S. As i am not Christian i do not think that being gay is wrong, just so none get the wrong idea, i was just comenting on the Church.

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RE: Enslaving an FC - 9/8/2007 3:47:47 PM

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Greetings Master

i can admire Master Omega standing his ground, beliving what he do and not care what others think about it, i do admire an attitude. Nor will i argue is opinion of Gor. i am not Gorean, nor am i Free and it is not my place to do so.

i have however spoken up on things i strongly disagree whit about Master Omega's words. Things that do not just have to do whit Gorean lifestyle but men and women in general. That for exsample a woman can not have anything sensible to say, that a women is inferior to a man in every possible way, that all women, all of them including my mother is inferior to all men like for exsample my dead beat father, that he have more sensible things to say even if he is more like pond scum than a human being, becouse he is a man and she is a woman, and that i strongly disagree whit.

i was one in an Pagan coven. We were three women and two men, i and one of the men was on about the same level of skill and learing and while we was not official leaders, the coven did not have any of that, we more or less ran the coven. i refuse to see the point in stepping aside and let the other man be the other leader of the coven, when i was more skilled and a better leader than him becouse he have a penis and i do not.

i have allot of respect for the person when somone have an conviction about something and stand their ground, i am all for that. But i also usually speak when i strongly disagree whit their opinion. But i do not do that beocuse i think it is wrong that somone have such opinions.

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