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A question about Gor - 9/10/2007 9:01:54 PM   
xoxi


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Status: offline 		Just to preface the question, I have to say my knowledge of this is entirely based on internet communities.  I haven't read any of the books and I don't consider myself Gorean (and if the planet existed and I were shipped off there tomorrow I would be a free woman...though definitely not a Domme).

But my question is this...from the excerpts of the books that have been quoted by people online, it seems as though any female slave can be used sexually by any man at any time unless her Master specifically protects her from this. Would you say this is an accurate depiction?  And if so, how does it play out in your own lives - either as a slave or as a slave owner?
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RE: A question about Gor - 9/10/2007 9:27:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi shoshi,

Yep.  That's how it was in the books.

In reality, there are laws in place that prevent this from occurring.  More to the point, a slave is usually well protected by her owner, in real life application.  Men here often liken their slaves to other prized property (a Shelby GT for example) or an expensive laptop, or a horse.  You don't simply hop on another man's horse and ride it, for many reasons.

Goreans tend to be wary of permitting anyone in their domain lives, who haven't demonstrated appropriate respect and earned their trust.

Hope that helps.

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RE: A question about Gor - 9/11/2007 1:47:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings, Stephan.

Excellent explanation. I would also add that, in the books, there is absolutely no concern for STDs, for the simple reason that the Priest Kings have supplied their alien technology. An excellent storytelling technique to allow the story to remain in the fantasy domain of Conan and Harlequin, while still serving as exposition for some philosophical elements.

Obviously, on Earth, in this day and age, it would be a risk to the owner to potentially expose a slave to STDs, among other things. No doubt, there will be a certain gap that arises the day our own technology eradicates HIV, HPV, and so forth. After all, slaves on Earth are not so much less plentiful (compared to the number of Goreans) than in the books.

It will be interesting.

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RE: A question about Gor - 9/11/2007 4:17:27 AM   
xoxi


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Status: offline 		That makes sense.  I guess I was wondering if there were any Gorean swinger orgy parties that aren't mentioned much ;)

Thanks for your input!

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RE: A question about Gor - 9/11/2007 5:08:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Frankly, I think of Goreans with swingers the same way I think of hardcore liberal Democrats at a teaparty with hardcore conservative Republicans.  I'm sure there could be some crossover, but the bodies usually end up well hidden.

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RE: A question about Gor - 9/11/2007 7:25:23 AM   
Zarius


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Tal Stephen, I agree with your thoughts on this, I will add this.

I do who I want, and my girl does who I want. Therefore to some we could be called swingers, even though, many goreans wouldnt. In the communities I am around, (bdsm, gorean, leather) in real time, I dont see much in the way of "orgies" but do see, trading of slaves, for fun.  

That is'nt a be all end all either. Just an observation.

I wish you well

Zarius
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RE: A question about Gor - 9/11/2007 10:28:30 AM   
Kallikrates


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Status: offline 		Tal xoxi,

basically, Stephann and Aswad are perfectly right. It used to happen on Gor as you described in your initial post.

On this planet we're born, I feel it's the sole decision of any individual Master whether He might share His property or not. I also agree with Aswad on the STD problem, but this could be mostly avoided using safer sex. Besides there are more playgrounds than just doing plain penetration.

I don't think there are real legal constraints for sharing a slave, as if they were also strict punishment of slaves would violate the laws (in fact they might be a violation, but a slave that submitted consensually would probably not object both).

Nevertheless, I want to know exactly who will use mine, as there are too many fools running around and I definately don't want my property to be used in ways I would not agree to.

I wish you well!
Kallikrates

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RE: A question about Gor - 9/11/2007 10:56:36 AM   
xoxi


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ORIGINAL: Stephann

Frankly, I think of Goreans with swingers the same way I think of hardcore liberal Democrats at a teaparty with hardcore conservative Republicans.  I'm sure there could be some crossover, but the bodies usually end up well hidden.

stephan



Heh.  That's interesting actually because from the limited experience I've had with learning about it I always viewed slaves to be portrayed as wanton seductresses who craved being used sexually, and men as virile ravishers with perpetual hard-ons (and I mean that in the most complimentary way - my ex was one of those and I had NO trouble falling asleep at night with a smile on my face )  I would think that the two would blend together nicely although probably limited to other Gorean couples or at least those with a similar mindset...and definitely with proper protection. 

Besides most 'swinger' communities are pretty rigid about letting someone new have access to the eternal pot of honey and I would think a bit of paperwork from a free clinic combined with the complimentary condoms they hand out would be a good starting point.

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RE: A question about Gor - 9/11/2007 11:00:11 AM   
xoxi


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ORIGINAL: Zarius
I will add this.

I do who I want, and my girl does who I want.


Now that is a seriously hot sentence.  FWIW I could never be part of a dynamic like that but it's SO added to my list of things to think about before falling asleep at night.  Right next to my arranged marriage to a debaucherous Roman Emperor

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RE: A question about Gor - 9/11/2007 11:06:27 AM   
Kallikrates


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Status: offline 		Tal xoxi,

quote:

I haven't read any of the books and I don't consider myself Gorean (and if the planet existed and I were shipped off there tomorrow I would be a free woman...


I seriously doubt, you would arrive as FW if you were shipped of to Gor tomorrow...

I wish you well!
Kallikrates

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RE: A question about Gor - 9/11/2007 11:10:51 AM   
xoxi


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Status: offline 		Hehehe yeah well let's see how well big strong muscle guy with sword holds up against Colt .45

I meant more that I do not have a slave mindset...I want one hot guy to make me his in private. And put a ring on my finger while he's at it.

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RE: A question about Gor - 9/11/2007 11:18:32 AM   
Jahnaca


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Status: offline 		Hello xoxi

Indeed the books do depict a sexual free for all.  As already mentioned STD's were not discussed therefore we can assume cured out of the common book Gorean society via medical intervention.  Further the natural outcome of sexual unions, kids were also taken out of the equation via medical intervention, namely the drug derived from Sip Root.  Nor is the mental road blocks mentioned in the books, which is the normal by product of living with the first two points addressed.  All in all a pretty darn Utopian look at sexuality in humans, which never has existed in human history.

Obviously by the comments here so far, it is an issue for us mere humans trying to recreate that Utopian Gorean life, one that can not be easily brushed aside.  While we can try to lesson the impact we are not fool proof.  Even Norman understood these limitations for us and suggested quite strongly that we should limit our sexual partners, of course these strong words came outside of the standard Gor novel yet it's spirit is strongly depicted in the Gor novels.  There is more then just a couple senerios in the Gor series that depict, mention or otherwise focus on a slave's limited sexual use either by her owner forbidding it, or a man (generally Tarl) refusing the use of a given woman.

Therefore there is no right or wrong on this one.  It is a matter of what he chooses to do, and if she concents to do it (or leaves).  I don't think anyone can expect anything in this regard.  I believe though one must act only after sincerely understanding the full impact and reprocussions of ones possible actions and be prepared to pay the costs involved.

Jahna



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RE: A question about Gor - 9/11/2007 11:19:30 AM   
Kallikrates


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quote:

Hehehe yeah well let's see how well big strong muscle guy with sword holds up against Colt .45


Just bring it with you and the priest-kings might just kill you with their blue flame, as "modern weapons" are not allowed on Gor. So let's rediscuss the "big, strong muscle guy with sword" once more 

Anyway, I think you are aware, that you're posting in a Gorean forum. So what answer to your question do you expect besides "she will do as I wish"? That's a basic of Gorean dynamics.

I wish you well!
Kallikrates

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RE: A question about Gor - 9/11/2007 11:22:48 AM   
xoxi


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Status: offline 		Oh wow.  I heard that there were no STDs but I didn't realize there was no pregnancy either.  I can totally see how there would be limitations on acting things like that out - just like you can't just go down the street and grab your hot neighbor girl when she looks at you seductively and say "well she asked for it...did you see how she looked at me?"

I'm guessing that those who identify with this do so more for the general philosophy of the books and not the specific actions portrayed?


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RE: A question about Gor - 9/11/2007 11:26:55 AM   
xoxi


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ORIGINAL: Kallikrates

Tal xoxi,

quote:

Hehehe yeah well let's see how well big strong muscle guy with sword holds up against Colt .45


Just bring it with you and the priest-kings might just kill you with their blue flame, as "modern weapons" are not allowed on Gor. So let's rediscuss the "big, strong muscle guy with sword" once more 

Anyway, I think you are aware, that you're posting in a Gorean forum. So what answer to your question do you expect besides "she will do as I wish"? That's a basic of Gorean dynamics.

I wish you well!
Kallikrates



Those are the insectual type things right? Yeah remind me to bring a BIG can of Raid too.  Heh I think they'll let me be a free woman if I bring enough pest control to liberate them from the big ugly bugs.  I'll even give the hot muscle guy the gun - I have horrible aim

And yeah, the general answer anywhere seems to be 'whatever the couple agrees on' so I would assume here it would be 'whatever the Master agrees on' but I was more curious how it played out in people's individual lives.


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RE: A question about Gor - 9/11/2007 11:32:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Having breifly met John Norman I must say that I was truly impressed. A mousy soft spoken man, he seemed truly amazed at the sub culture that has blossomed from his books both online and in this community. Written as a single book originally... and in an easy to read (Romance novel) style... he quietly mused that the books seemed to take on a life of their own. As the publisher and community asked for more and more- the poor little author was forced to think out this alternate world and shape it.

Those who can see it will notice paralells to many of our world's backgrounds and cultures, Mr. Norman felt free to take the best from many situations to embellish and shape his new world. Geishas, concubines, harems and intrigue abound in this small world created by the man's hand.

Sex was an intrigal part of his books, lending itself to the popularity to the masses. Perhaps not the most intellectual of reading, but not intended to be so either. More like the dime novels of old. Giving a breif glimpse into a world, enticing one to dream of more.

Fantasies are played out, some wish to continue them still. To each their own. I think Mr. Norman did have one thing going for him. He knew how to spot and feed the inner lust that is inherent in all of us. (Even vanillas- they just haven't let the beast be named). Gor discusses openly many areas of relationships and for that... it was one of the first books to do so openly and so well. Thank you John.

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RE: A question about Gor - 9/11/2007 11:36:30 AM   
Jahnaca


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Status: offline 		  Greetings xoxi

I didn't indicate there is no pregnancy rather birth control was, as it so appears, 100% effective.  By all indications slave wine (or it's main ingredient sip root) need only be consumed once a month (or several times during the course of time) or other indications once and the effects removed after it's antidote was taken.  Pretty radical for late 60's thinking.

We saw what the birth control pill did for society, the sexual revolution, freedom for women to do things other then raise children because she now had ultimate (or near) ultimate control over reproduction etc and what social repercussions we are still feeling. 

We never stopped to consider the implications we just focus on the perk, sex.  It is a far more deeper subject then erotic dreams and wild fantasy.  Though I understand the appeal of said dreams and fantasy.  Who couldn't.

Jahna


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RE: A question about Gor - 9/11/2007 11:42:15 AM   
xoxi


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Status: offline 		Ah okay, I misunderstood then.  I assumed that was why they brought people over from Earth.

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We never stopped to consider the implications we just focus on the perk, sex.  It is a far more deeper subject then erotic dreams and wild fantasy.  Though I understand the appeal of said dreams and fantasy.  Who couldn't.


This statement is so true.  So, so true.


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RE: A question about Gor - 9/11/2007 11:49:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: xoxi

Ah okay, I misunderstood then.  I assumed that was why they brought people over from Earth.


No, they just want slaves, basically.

Health,
al-Aswad.


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RE: A question about Gor - 9/11/2007 4:43:29 PM   
Kallikrates


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Status: offline 		Tal Jahnaca,

as far as I remember, the slave wine has to be consumed once a year (at least not on a monthly base). But I may be wrong here actually. As soon as I find the time, I'll look it up in the books. I've a good guess where to find it. If anyone knows this issue for sure, please feel free to correct me .

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(extracted from Luther's scrolls)
Slave wine is a Gorean contraceptive, given to all slaves to protect them against conceiving. It is intentionally made to be bitter for slaves. The active ingredient in slave wine is sip root. Sip root, in its raw form, may be chewed as a contraceptive. The raw form's effects last for three to four months. The Red Savages in the Barrens use sip root in its raw form. One drink of slave wine lasts indefinitely, until a releaser is given. This was not always the case. In the beginning of the Gor series, slave wine only lasted a month or so. But, medical technology advanced during the series and its effects are now indefinite. But, out of tradition and to remind a girl she is a slave, it is usually given once or twice a year to her. The antidote is called breeding or second wine. It is a smooth and sweet drink. Its active ingredient is a derivative of the teslik plant.


I wish you well!
Kallikrates

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