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RE: - Gorean Men, slaves and sometimes neccassary contr... - 9/17/2007 6:36:14 AM

AlwaysLisa

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And as far as evicting a girl. If she lives with you legally by law you have to give her 14 days to find a place to go. This law applies in most states. Other states may require a longer period of time up to 30 days.You can't just put her out and lock her out of her possessions. That is stealing. (I highly doubt a girl is going to walk out of the house without her things. You would probably be stuck calling the cops to try and kick her out.) Period and she can take you to court and get them should you choose to do that. I doubt seriously if a Judge would believe a Man would wear a girls dress that possibly could not fit him. Unless of course your into that sort of thing.

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RE: - Gorean Men, slaves and sometimes neccassary contr... - 9/17/2007 6:43:46 AM

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It depends on those involved. I personally know a woman who was told to leave, without anything but the clothes she was wearing. There was no recourse, no legal action taken, she was a slave and felt he had every right to do as he did.

There are laws, of course...lets face it, slavery itself is illegal. Whether those laws are acted upon is the deciding difference. To state it "is" one way or the other, is not taking into consideration that people react differently to situations.

Lisa

Greetings Mistress,

As you stated no legal action had been taken. Keywords no legal action taken. She could have pushed the issue though had she wanted too. When he told her to leave she became at that point ownerless, which technically speaking would make her a "Free Woman" at that point. Had she pushed the issue I am sure he would have to give her the states statue time to find a place to go (be it 14, 30 days or however many that said state has).

In Arizona if a person lives with another person even unoffically they have to give them 14 days to secure another residence before kicking them out. After 14 days if they don't secure a place to go to then they can be put out on the streets. Oh and I forgot to mention even then they have to go to court to legally "evict" them after 14 to 30 days. Without a legal eviction notice they can't evict even a unoffical residence. 14 to 30 days after the notice has been issued can they be kicked out and I found out that in some states it even leads up to 60 days. It all depends on state laws though each state veries.

As far as the girl moving out with just the clothing on her back? Thats her own fault for agreeing to walk out and leave her stuff. Technically had she wanted it she could have acquired her stuff. So her loosing her things is her own doing if he told her to walk and she left them. After she left after 30 days that is when he can claim her items are his legally. So she walked of her own accord and did not seek legal recourse. That is different than him holding her stuff and seeking legal recourse and him winning. Big difference.

wishing you all well,

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RE: - Gorean Men, slaves and sometimes neccassary contr... - 9/17/2007 7:47:29 AM

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ORIGINAL: noyeh

Greetings Masters Stephan,

There are many reason's to remain as I am. Because I know in my heart what I am. But the fact is this is not a fantasy world. My take on it is, "What your stating is if there is not fantasy world why be a slave or a Master." I don't nor does my Master live in a fantasy world. We know there are some things that hamper the fullness of a true gorean Master slave relationship. We live by the philosophies we do not play at being gorean. My Master knows there are some things are just not possible. He makes sure that I am clear on this and understands this. He makes sure I live with a sane sound mind. He makes sure each day that I am aware of what I am and what my rights are. To him I am a rightless slut that does his bidding. To the outside world I have as many rights as any other citizen of the United States. Common sense comes into order in real life.

There is nothing detrimental in a Gorean relationship about him creating a POA for me to handle his business while he is out of country. It does not effect our relationship one bit. In fact it would keep me from being hampered from doing things he needs me to do. He is just as in control of me as he ever was. I know my standing in his house and if I forget it He knows how to handle me. He has gorean friends right now that he can send to the house and they can very well spank me. The point is he created the POA the way it is for convience. Its easier and quicker for me to handle things because I am in the household.

Someone outside the household may very well say, Oh well it will get done when I feel like it. Sometimes things need to be done quicker than I could go to someone to handle it. When it might be dire that it gets done at the drop of the hat. My Master needs that dependability. He has that in me and he knows it. Not saying anyone outside the house could not do just as good a job. Its how my Master prefers it. And that is his god given right to do as he pleases wether others think it is right or not.

And as far as evicting a girl. If she lives with you legally by law you have to give her 14 days to find a place to go. This law applies in most states. Other states may require a longer period of time up to 30 days.You can't just put her out and lock her out of her possessions. That is stealing. (I highly doubt a girl is going to walk out of the house without her things. You would probably be stuck calling the cops to try and kick her out.) Period and she can take you to court and get them should you choose to do that. I doubt seriously if a Judge would believe a Man would wear a girls dress that possibly could not fit him. Unless of course your into that sort of thing.

wishing you well,

Girl,

Your owner's reasons are his own; I'm not taking issue with your specific case. Rather, as Orion stated quite eloquently, it's not a course of action that is normally recommended and should stay rare. I even stated that under the circumstances, I'd likely do exactly as your owner has. Pretending there is no detriment or risk is either foolish or arrogant.

Beyond this, we're simply agreeing that there's a line that divides the fantasy of slavery (that we willingly, knowingly embrace) from reality. The termination of a relationship, is the termination of that fantasy. As you said, to him you are a rightless slut. Should he puts you out his front door, naked as the day you were born, tosses you in the truck, and dumps you ten miles out of town, removes your collar, and says "move on"; you have the choice to either assert legal action as a citizen, or accept his actions as the slave you were when he put you out. Your statements to Lisa suggest that you believe you do have inherent rights, even as a slave, to be given time to find a new residence, to whatever property you own, etc etc.

This illustrates that the line is drawn in different places, for different people. Relationships end, it's part of life. A girl who is miserable in her collar but has served me faithfully and honestly, would (and has) received my full support. A girl who actively or maliciously works against my home better find a good lawyer if she's intending on asserting her rights. I can say, though, in all of my relationships I've never had one end so badly that we couldn't amicably resolve things.

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