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Advice or Silence... - 9/16/2007 7:39:29 PM   
Karynn


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Tal ya'll,

I've noticed that a lot of people who share here are those who live in the lifestyle currently or have had a great deal of experience in M/s offline. I have also noticed many names logged into the forums meaning there are eyes reading here daily who never pause to speak.

Sometimes, I pause and read profiles of those unfamiliar people. Some are curious. Others are eagerly learning. Still others I think are hungrily, passionately, searching for something. There are those who seek the short term, and others who look for life mates. I found many claim a Gorean heritage, looking for a Gorean Master or Gorean slave girl.

Recently, a good friend of mine and I were talking about the move from long phone calls, overnight visits, weekend getaways, letters, and the loving scented goodbyes that range from the very naughty to the very sweet and the transition it took for a girl to trust a Master enough to make that next step, the complete surrender. Eagerly, she speaks of her Master, wanting more than anything to please him. I could tell in her story as she shared of some of their history, she was so ready for this step. To some, until a female is in a home 24/7, they're not fully surrendered. A collar may be there already, and yes those temporary visits help build trust on both sides! I know there are others who might say, no... the moment the collar is placed physically, the girl is claimed, even if she doesn't live with me yet. I'm not going to disagree or agree with any of those, because its probably fit to the couples, and defined then.

I so warmly and energetically offered my support. I was excited for this next step. He's taking responsibility not only for a bright slave but a brilliant mother and in that, he's accepting them in his home under his authority with his support as well. I admire them and their steadfast commitment that has taken them from the beginning and brought them to this new threshhold. I could only offer the most supportive "advice" and say "Oh yes, if you're sure, and you're safe, and you have no doubt (as Jahnca put one time in a letter) that you trust him with everything, your wallet, your children, your dog, your life... then yay! Go for it." Not that either of them needed my permission but it was so easy for me to support and encourage.

Another very sweet friend is anxiously awaiting the arrival of her first Gorean gathering, seeking that beginning phase of training with a Gorean Master who I believe is one of the best ever created in this world. When she asked me about him, I could only sing his praises, and speak from the heart. I wanted to see her make the step boldly, without fear, and know that it was the best way to go from being just an "earth girl" to the formation of a kajira. I can't wait to see her learn from him.

Then there are good friends who so earnestly want to find that right person. They seek, through this forum, through Gorean personals, through websites and other media. They want a Master of Gor or a female to become their girl and kajira eventually. Some seem to want it so badly, it possesses them. I've seen the avid men looking at every profile, pinging every name, hoping that this next one we speak to, or call, or visit for dinner is the one. And they sometimes want it so badly they work and push, and negotiate within themselves small details. He's not so bad. Since his divorce, he's made an effort to visit his children twice. Or, she's not so bad. Once I have her in my control, her mood swings will be under my control and I'll be good for her, you'll see. Part of the time, it's almost like there is a fiction they see because they need to connect so needfully.

My question tonight comes from the situation where friend or friends are trying to connect. I recall when my best friend met a guy who was from another state and they tried to make the long distance thing work for over a year. She was already a successful  social worker and he was a Paralegal working on a law license and degree. I saw how much she focused on him and yet she didn't. When she asked my opinion, "Karyn, do you think I should keep trying to make this work?..." I was dumbfounded. My friend wanted to hear me support her. I mentioned those girls in the beginning, those situations that felt so right and good and healthy. But this was my best friend. I couldn't let her down, and yet I didn't want to be the one who said I thought it was a difficult match that would be hunting trouble before they ever got started. I didn't know to give advice or silence or even worse, some ray of hope, finding something good, surely there's one thing good about this... or that...

And now I know Gorean friends, Masters and Ladies, and slaves, all close, all neat people, and all hungry for connection. They've found a few. They've tried a few. Now they're like my girlfriend in college. "Karyn, do you think..." How do you share with someone that the situation doesn't feel safe, or healthy, or Gorean, or goal fitting, or right? Especially females of Gor, what do you say to your male dominant friends, those we all consider Gorean friends, single men who want a slave, "FriendX, this girl really doesn't seem to match your need for..." or "FriendY, I'm not sure you're ready to be a father..." and so forth? You're not in charge of judgment, and he's the man, and this is Gor. You want to offer opinion. You feel so compelled. Or worse (better?) he asks your opinion...

How do you give advice or are you silent when Gorean friends are seeking matches, and seeking your opinion?

K

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RE: Advice or Silence... - 9/16/2007 7:48:13 PM   
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Greetings Karynn
I am one of those who advocates the truth, even when it hurts the person we are trying to help. When asked for advice, I always give my honest opinion, no matter what. I don’t see silence, or half truths being something that is healthy or right, no matter how much it may hurt the person seeking the advice.
Just my thoughts on it though.
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RE: Advice or Silence... - 9/16/2007 8:30:19 PM   
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I speak my mind, when I think it will do good.  I bite my tongue, when I know it will not.  I actively avoid offering unsolicited advice.  Sometimes, people need to be ready to hear the truth.

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RE: Advice or Silence... - 9/17/2007 3:29:44 PM   
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I agree with Stephan essentially. I keep in mind "What will this accomplish?" No point wasting time to merely throw out opinions.

I do have to balance that against sheer workload at times--I'm glad to help when it might do some good, but I can't help everyone in every sphere of my life.

I'm more apt to let things go than get into a pointless discussion. Often people ask advice only seeking confirmation for what they've already decided. Nothing to do there but let them learn.

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RE: Advice or Silence... - 9/17/2007 5:35:07 PM   
aeleberaNB


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Greetings Masters and Mistresses:
Greetings fellow slaves:

**smiles**

Karynn: i have had this problem myself with not knowing when to say something and when not to say something, but over time i have come to learn that even if the truth hurts the person we care about it is best to tell them than to remain silent.

example: someone i care about was in a bad relationship and she asked if i thought it would be good for her to get out. i told her that i care deeply for her and that if she wished for her uhms to remain with her that she should leave said situation.

she was upset that i had said this but i reminded her that she needs to do what is best for her and her uhms. she agreed after a few days to think about it and has thanked me since for pointing out that she needs to keep her uhms in mind at all times.

i firmly believe in giving advice when asked and not sugar coating it, but when not asked unless that person is in danger of being hurt i stay out of it.

wishing you well,
aelebera{NB}

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RE: Advice or Silence... - 9/17/2007 6:37:54 PM   
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Fast Reply:

Greetings Karynn,

It is best to allow others to make their own mistakes or accomplishments. How you may judge a situation is colored by your perception and values, which may not be the ones that are necessary to see the situation for what it is.

Orion

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RE: Advice or Silence... - 9/17/2007 6:43:01 PM   
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As long as you are willing to accept the consequences of giving advice. This means the good and the bad.


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quote:

ORIGINAL: aeleberaNB

Greetings Masters and Mistresses:
Greetings fellow slaves:

**smiles**

Karynn: i have had this problem myself with not knowing when to say something and when not to say something, but over time i have come to learn that even if the truth hurts the person we care about it is best to tell them than to remain silent.

example: someone i care about was in a bad relationship and she asked if i thought it would be good for her to get out. i told her that i care deeply for her and that if she wished for her uhms to remain with her that she should leave said situation.

she was upset that i had said this but i reminded her that she needs to do what is best for her and her uhms. she agreed after a few days to think about it and has thanked me since for pointing out that she needs to keep her uhms in mind at all times.

i firmly believe in giving advice when asked and not sugar coating it, but when not asked unless that person is in danger of being hurt i stay out of it.

wishing you well,
aelebera{NB}


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RE: Advice or Silence... - 9/17/2007 7:43:54 PM   
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Tal to the Free and property,
Greetings Karynn,
You are the type of person whose heart aches for the world and you would fix it if you had but the means. Over time we learn we can't help or save everyone. We can only help those that ask and are ready to hear the truth.
I wouldn't lie (even little white ones) or say half truths and if the news was bad I'd try to couch it in the gentlest words possible.
I wish you well,
TM4Y

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RE: Advice or Silence... - 9/18/2007 4:21:36 AM   
Karynn


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Tal and good morning Tuesday,

I realized this morning, several days after I posted this column, that I was doing almost the exact same thing here to a loose congolmerate of friend/acquaintances that I had built some trust in, asking you a collective for advice or silence.

Thank you for your responses. I appreciate the words, the thought behind them, and the world each of you are living and sharing here. I especially appreciated your comment, TM4Y - I am glad you see the truth of my heart shining through as basic motivation in my world.

K

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RE: Advice or Silence... - 9/18/2007 6:16:15 AM   
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Karynn,

I tell the truth as I see it. I make sure the person I am speaking with knows I may have a different perspective on that truth, as truth is defined by the person who is speaking it, as it is seen by the eyes of the speaker, not just facts.

I am often told by others I speak plainly and I speak openly not hiding my opinions or ideas. I find this in my own personality a great benefit to those who I am communicating with. I would not allow my good friends to not hear my opinions simply because it may be the time to shut up. NO say what you mean, it's still their decision, but perhaps by not speaking out I would let them be hurt by something I saw they did not. Often times when involved in personal relationships we are caught up in the other aspects of that relationship and not really aware of what is actually happening.  Sometimes we try to believe in someone so much we do not see what others do, or that it damages our own relationships with others because of the feelings, attributes or other such feelings and desires that cloud our judgement.

I have seen this especially in new relationships where both are trying to get on a level that only those with years together can have, only to find they have nothing in common in the end, or another is harmed emotionally by it. Pushing too hard is common as we all would like to have that one person for life that would be our "true companion".

I do not hold back on my opinions asked or otherwise, I will however speak from my heart and what I know of my own life without trying to change theirs. Honesty and being forthright are things I do not take lightly. When asked an opinion I give one, and that is based on what I see as the truth solely making sure the other person can think and evaluate that on thier own making it their decision solely.

I think if it is a good friend I would always give an opinion or they would not be a good friend would they? I think it's my responsibility to my good friend to say what is on my mind. Others will have to ask, but to those I find special and I have true feelings for I want them to succeed as much as possible and if I can help then I shall by all means do what I can for them or they would not be so special to me.

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RE: Advice or Silence... - 9/18/2007 2:12:00 PM   
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Greetings Master Orion:

quote:

As long as you are willing to accept the consequences of giving advice. This means the good and the bad.
Orion


if i am asked for my advice i weigh both the pros and cons of giving said advice and then tell the person what i think or feel about the situation they are asking for advice on, telling them that my advice is what i would do if in their shoes, but that they need to do what they feel is best.

i have no trouble accepting the good or the bad outcomes of having given my advice, and am there to console the person whom my advice may have hurt, telling them that i did not wish them to be hurt but that i wish them to be happy.

there are however a lot of people who do not accept the good and/or the bad of giving advice and they are the people i tend to stay away from because to me they are the kind of person who are only looking out for themselves.... just my opinion about those who do not accept the good or bad outcomes of having given advice.

wishing You and Yours well,
aelebera{NB}

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RE: Advice or Silence... - 9/19/2007 1:07:57 PM   
Unbuilder


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greetings property,

Several time in the course of the books, Norman says "don't ask how to live, but instead procede to do so"

The flip side of that, is... "Don't advise someone on how to live, let them take the initiative, and procede to do so."

If someone that I have known a long time, and who knew that I had faced a similar situation were to ask me for advise, I would tell them what *I* did in that similar situation, what *I* felt that I learned from the outcome. I would also add the disclaimer that "their milage might vary"

Each person is unique, and it is those unique qualities, that might make a difference in the outcome. Ultimately, we are each responsible for the choices we make, *I* would not presume to know whats best for another free person.

I wish y'all well

Un








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RE: Advice or Silence... - 9/19/2007 7:23:21 PM   
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Hi Unbuilder,

I liked what you said. Thank you for your perspective. It's so true. It's about our own experiences shared, and then if we are Gorean and free, then we proceed forward, seeing all the data, processing it, following our best instincts. If we're speaking to Goreans, we assume that they're going in the same direction, forward with all data, including data if they ask it of us, about ourselves.

Very enlightening.
K

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