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RE: Heritage or Hate? - 9/25/2007 3:40:55 PM

Blaakmaan

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In the words of Ronald Reagan (who I don't believe I'm quoting!), "There you go again!"

I have asked you, more than once, in all sincerity, to point out where I called you these things you claim I did.

You haven't done so.

I can only presume that you haven't done so because you cannot do so, particularly since I know that I never called you anything of the kind. If I'm wrong, feel free to prove it to me.

At any rate, I would never have called you both "a supporter of the Confederacy" and "an anti-segregationist," because that is logically inconsistent. A supporter of the Confederacy would ordinarily be a supporter of segregation, not "an anti-segregationist." In fact, I don't think I ever heard of the term "anti-segregationist" before I read it in your post.

In fact, one cannot be a supporter of the Confederacy, because the Confederacy no longer exists. That would be like calling someone a supporter of the Roman Empire!

Now, however it floats your boat to claim that I called you things I didn't, it doesn't do a thing for me. So, show me where I called you what you claim, or let it rest!

And, I sleep fine at night, thank you...

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RE: Heritage or Hate? - 9/25/2007 3:46:58 PM

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Requests for logic and evidence....here?

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RE: Heritage or Hate? - 9/25/2007 6:01:48 PM

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fr.......
i said i was done a few pages ago, and i meant it.....i lied on the internet, so sue me.....

today i went to the funeral of my aunt, daddys baby sister. now theres only 2 kids of 11 left, and it made me think about the meaning of life and all that jazz....im typing this to show a kinder and gentler side of me, but it may come off as showing my true colors and piss someone off-if so, so be it....

sitting at the cemetary, after the service, we were talking and catching up...sadly, funerals are also semi family reunions too-i dunno if thats another southern thing thats peculiar to others, but thats how it is.

anyhow, im sittin there, looking around at my family......one who was let out of band camp(jail) for 2 days to bury his mom, one with a long gray ponytail, who was also burying his mom. ponytail cuz hugging his lesbian daughter, who had on the best looking suit there, and a shaved head. i think she is about 30 now, and has been adorable since birth......

there was the son of another cousin there, he was born a bi-racial baby in the 70's, before it was cool yanno.....his wife and their new baby........

friends of the cousins they have known for years, and love......some of who were black, and they all cried as they hugged and felt the pain of losing a mom......all of us hugging, laughing, seeing folks we havent seen in way too long.......

before i thought about this silly thread, i didnt see the color of the folks, or the bald headed butch lesbian girl, just people i love......and for some reason this thread popped into my mind and i thought i have lost my damn mind......

then i realized, folks hugging black folks had old ga flags on their trucks! gasp.....and they were hugging BLACK men and women and crying with them.....and they werent grossed out and the black men and women werent screaming about the flags.......the kids flock to my dear sweet cousins child, who was born a lil girl, and has fought it since she was a toddler i think......and no one screamed keep that deviant away from our innocent children.......for we all know each other, and we know who we are, and we know were good folks who love and hurt and cry and laugh......

and i realized i love my family, all of them, and all their old friends who have stuck by them through thick and thin, friends who have allowed us to come to the funerals of their family members, and show our respects, in spite of cultural differences and an appreciation or love of different symbols, symbols such as long gray ponytails on old fart biker dudes, butch lesbians who shave their heads, and old ga flags that show a symbol of hatred for some.

and i decided im happy being who i am, and i cant and wont worry about what i do offending folks... i will live by the words on the lid of my aunts casket......

may my works speak for who i am......

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RE: Heritage or Hate? - 9/25/2007 7:41:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan

Nobody calls the Civil War a "war of secession" except die-hard Confederates.

Depends on who you read. The Southern States entire economy was predicated on slavery and the availability of cheap labor to grow tobacco, which is a cash crop that both trashes the soil and is inedible in terms of supporting the population.

The fact that the Northern States and industrial revolution Europe were moving away (economically, there was no reason to continue the institution) from it directly impacted the entire power structure and economy of the South in negative ways. This power issue was discussed by Jefferson and Adams back when the Union was being started, but nobody had any idea how to deal with the storm clouds on the horizon.

The South, in order to preserve their way of life (however despicable such a way of life was) and not face a bitter negative power relationship with the rapidly industrializing North voted to seceed from the union. It was the power relationship between southern and northern Union states that caused the civil war, slavery was ancillary to the issue.

Please do not take anything I have written to mean I condone slavery. Presumably one (such as you present yourself to be) as tuned in to the issue of slavery is familiar with the maquialladores(sp?), the Disappeared in Latin America (I am in a documentary about methods (I was an instructor down there teaching methods to avoid being enslaved) used in Tijuana, MX to deal with this), slavery on the cattle ranches in Brazil, and has read books such as Nobodys (SP?, dock bag) (about modern slavery in the United States) to keep up with current events.

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How about you try to keep your facts straight???

Seems pretty insulting to me. Would you be insulted if somebody had the temerity to say such a thing to you? I dont really care how you answer the question, I will not believe you if you say you would not be insulted, and I will think a response of "yes" (as well as the 6 pages of justifications for you feeling that way) is insincere; you seem too emotionally caught up in this issue.

As I pointed out, I accept your apology. Please let it end.

Peace out.

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RE: Heritage or Hate? - 9/26/2007 2:14:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

The confederate flag symbolizes those who fought and died to preserve the Constitutionally guaranteed power of the individual state control over centralized federal control.

Slavery was not ended until 2 years into the war, only in the states in rebellion, and only because France and England refused to assist Lincoln in his war until he outlawed slavery.

Try to keep the facts straight about the war of secession in the United States.

Slavery in the United States was outlawed after the war.

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ORIGINAL: Blaakmaan

the confederate flag symbolizes those who fought and died to preserve the institution of slavery.

When you replied to my post by saying, "Try to keep the facts straight about the war of succession in the United States," you implied, if you did not actually state, that my factual statements were wrong but your factual statements were right.

Having made such a statement, when I replied to you: "How about you try to keep your facts straight???", I don't think that was any indication of my "temerity," and I honestly don't see why you would take such offense. If anything, my post was a retort to your post, which I found to be insulting.

If we have now exhausted the original question--whether the Confederate flag is offensive--I am more than happy to let it end.

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RE: Heritage or Hate? - 9/26/2007 3:14:03 PM

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Tobacco you say MrS.
Cotton ?

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