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Free women? - 9/21/2007 4:05:42 AM   
xoxi


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Status: offline 		The last thread I started here made me wonder about something else...why aren't any Goreans interested in having free companions?  Everyone on the other thread said that it's highly unlikely a man would marry a slave but...that's pretty much what I see here.  Obviously it is a question of translating ideals into a different paradigm but still...with 'poly' and swinging being so popular you would think a man would marry a woman and then just hook up with slave girls, right?

Is there anyone here who actually married a 'free companion' rather than a slave?  If so, do you still engage in sexual activities with slaves?

I would be far more interested in this if that second option of being a free companion wasn't so overlooked.  Obviously like my profile says I'm a submissive, not a slave.  I can't change my nature, I can only find someone who would complement it.

I'm also wondering how you view a free woman...do you see them as still naturally submissive by nature of being women, or as an 'equal' in a vanilla-type partnership with no power exchange?


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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 4:10:13 AM   
ElizabethAnne


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Status: offline 		Hello xoxi,

There have been several threads regarding free women, in fact fairly recently.   Most of your questions can probably be answered in those posts.   You might want to do a search.   Just a thought.

Happy searching,

Elizabeth

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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 4:54:48 AM   
xoxi


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Status: offline 		I did read a thread about what makes a free woman...but none about whether anyone wants one.

I'm wondering specifically though why nobody seems interested in that sort of relationship...or is it more a question of treating slaves as companions 'on earth' for a matter of convenience?

< Message edited by xoxi -- 9/21/2007 4:55:41 AM >

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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 5:11:33 AM   
ygraine


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Status: offline 		xoxi,
there are plenty of threads on this board that address this, as Liz said. Do try to read more than one.
I am also hearing some rhetorical questions? Are you trying to work this "Gorean thing" so it suits you? If you are, you are doing it wrong. It's not about you, and even as a free companion, it is not about you.
Y

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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 5:12:46 AM   
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Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn....

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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 5:21:51 AM   
ElizabethAnne


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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 5:33:15 AM   
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xoxi,
there are plenty of threads on this board that address this, as Liz said. Do try to read more than one.
I am also hearing some rhetorical questions? Are you trying to work this "Gorean thing" so it suits you? If you are, you are doing it wrong. It's not about you, and even as a free companion, it is not about you.
Y


You know, I do think that's what I might be doing.  It's like...I can describe my ideal man and it could fall in line with the 'Gorean' ideal...more so than a lot of people who do it for 'kink' but then I really have to wonder where I fall in as far as relationships go.  I'm not a complete 100% slave and I know that - it's not even something I would aspire to be.

I guess I'm just fed up with the fact that it's only bitch boys who appreciate confidence, pride, self respect, and modesty in a woman.  No confident men ever see it as something to be used to their advantage - just something to stamp out and conquer.

And the ones that do respect it are the ones into SM and kink rather than D/s...bleh.

It is far too early for me to be awake.  Thanks for pointing this out though :)


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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 5:34:16 AM   
xoxi


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Did someone mention my name?

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn....

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Are you post stalking me just to insult me?  Or are you trying to get me to share my crayons


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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 5:49:18 AM   
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hi xoxi

quote:

Obviously it is a question of translating ideals into a different paradigm but still...with 'poly' and swinging being so popular you would think a man would marry a woman and then just hook up with slave girls, right?


a Gorean poly home is a family.

Gorean men dont 'hook up'-
they Own and keep and take care of what is theirs.

we do not have a kajira corner where any ole Master takes us for usuage then drops us off and goes back home to his FC cause he got his baser animal desires out of his system for a few.

and the swinging concept thrown into Gorean beliefs.....well that doesnt go there either.

well wishes

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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 6:01:30 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: xoxi

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Did someone mention my name?

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn....

Rhetorical Butler


Are you post stalking me just to insult me?  Or are you trying to get me to share my crayons



I have not insulted you ever........if you don't believe me, ask around.....it would take you six months and several ancillary college courses to understand the gravamen of one of my insults, I am a professional.  I rather like you, all in all. 

Sincerely,
Ron

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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 6:17:52 AM   
xoxi


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Status: offline 		Aw shit.

Now THAT was something I was entirely unprepared for.

Damn you and your sneak attacks


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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 9:19:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: xoxi

I'm also wondering how you view a free woman...do you see them as still naturally submissive by nature of being women, or as an 'equal' in a vanilla-type partnership with no power exchange?


Power dynamics are intrinsic to the natures of social animals. Gender doesn't figure into it. Some men bring out the submission in some women, and (controversially, at least in this section) vice versa. An ideal pairing has an unequal balance, such that a dynamic is clear enough to be functional at a deeper level. Like a river flowing to the sea, however, it should flow in a natural manner, rather than being forced, negotiated, or whatever.

Needless to say, this depends on finding a man that brings out the submission in you.

Peers are more like potential friends than potential mates.

Health,
al-Aswad.


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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 9:35:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: xoxi

Are you post stalking me just to insult me?  Or are you trying to get me to share my crayons


Ron posts a lot around these parts, and is generally well thought of.

Bear in mind that his posts often take a humorous or exaggerated angle to convey the point.

Health,
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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 10:36:54 AM   
Unbuilder


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Status: offline 		greetings xoxi,

There are men who choose a Free Companion , I for one.  Kimveri is my Free Companion.  We have been companioned for about 3-1/2 years now.  We are not married.  On memorial day each year, we renew our contract, for another year.  Our companionship is one that is modeled after the books.

Be well

Un


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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 10:49:38 AM   
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I wonder why people dont open up with the common greeting.

Anyways, I am a gorean master, who has an fc (not my wife), my first slave (is my wife) and another that will be comming aboard very soon...  

To me FC's are a hard lot to handle, they must be many things one of them is not a slut in public. I tend to think most gorean men prefer their slaves to be sluts, period. (IMJ). Thus the reason many FW are not in FC's with a Free Man.

I wish you well.

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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 11:28:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's always interesting to see how the Madonna/whore complex plays out in peoples relationships. Though many seem to think that the Fc should be Madonna and the slave a whore, I always wonder why. Seems to me that if the woman is a free companion then she is free to act as she wishes. Of course, she also must face the consequences to those actions. Where as the slave in accordance with their standing in sociaety, will act as the Master directs them to.

For me, the biggest difference between an FC and a slave is just what their names imply. One is a Free Companion, alloted that which any other free is. The ability to own property as well as to be heard. Where as a slave is alloted nothing.

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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 2:38:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		hey Ron,
I was laughing at your post then I got to thinking about you being a butler and how hot that would be, in your cute lil cravat and cumberbund..
heh..
de plane de plane!
Ygraine Montalban

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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 3:12:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings Mistress Ygraine,

I saw your note "on the other side of the bridge" a few weeks back and wanted to say thank you.  It really meant a lot to me.

well wishes ~ fairer than she


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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 4:04:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ygraine

hey Ron,
I was laughing at your post then I got to thinking about you being a butler and how hot that would be, in your cute lil cravat and cumberbund..
heh..
de plane de plane!
Ygraine Montalban


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RE: Free women? - 9/21/2007 5:37:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps its cause FW acting "slutty" would be considered to be "courting the collar"?

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