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In the thread a slave posted that her Master has commanded her to cut herself with a razor and take a picture and send it to him.  Now, after reading that I immediately came to the conclusion that he wasn't asking her to slice a major vein or cause herself grave injury, but more that he was testing perhaps her limits or the ends she would go to to please him.  There were others that posted stating that the post made them cringe and wince and they obviously found it horrifying. 

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ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd

one of my other subs actualy enjoys punishing himself... and taking pictures. I think he is naughty on purpose.. and tells me about it to see what new thing I will make him do out in public.

Wouldn't this qualify as "topping from below"?
-grace

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ORIGINAL: Alyoop

And on who is to decide what is appropriate that is for every free of their own household.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Alyoop

And on who is to decide what is appropriate that is for every free of their own household.

By your logic, someone should be able to call themselves a Rogerian therapist, therefore attracting clients looking for a Rogerian therapist, and use psychoanalytic or behavior modification techniques on them with aplomb.
 
No ethical problem. Why should what you call yourself mean anything, right?
 
K.
 

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ORIGINAL: Mitzie

Tal and greetings

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In the thread a slave posted that her Master has commanded her to cut herself with a razor and take a picture and send it to him.  Now, after reading that I immediately came to the conclusion that he wasn't asking her to slice a major vein or cause herself grave injury, but more that he was testing perhaps her limits or the ends she would go to to please him.  There were others that posted stating that the post made them cringe and wince and they obviously found it horrifying. 

ok my shudders and disgust are genuine  with what this so called Master has his slave do.

so she slices her arm leg belly thigh or whatever then takes a pic of the blood ? and cut ? to please him, so she carrys on mutilating her body and it becomes a habit and she then starts to think oh I will cut more and more as it pleases him and in no time you have a self harmer .

do you know how many millions of people self harm ? well there are lots and for many who self harm it leads on to suicide.

I am not saying this will happen to the girl only that  it can become a habit and then a disease.

my opinion on a Master ordering a slave to self harm herself for his own kicks  SICK SADDO and disgusting

Mitzie

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ORIGINAL: Alyoop

Ok didnt quite word it right, I meant kink wise. Last time I checked, Gorean men did not let other lifestylers dictate how their house would be run. I full well know everyone, but paris hilton, is accountable to the law.

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ORIGINAL: Alyoop

Side note - you mostly see people saying they cringed at the thought, no owned slave said they would refuse to do it. And on who is to decide what is appropriate that is for every free of their own household. Once again you dont see the slaves, (actually owned and collared) saying they think it's horriable. The closest was camillie with a cringe. Because that is left for the free to decide what is best for them.

Granted, I'm submissive, not slave, so my thoughts should perhaps be taken with a grain of salt in this forum.
 
  The fact of the matter is that if Master asked me to cut myself, and provide photographic proof, I would.  As with all choices and actions in life, there would be consequences and fallout.  First off, it isn't likely I'd be cut myself severely, for I just don't think I have it in me.  Secondly, it would undermine my trust in him, causing me to feel that perhaps I was no longer that valuable to him.  Third, I'd probably begin to question his judgement.  Is he becoming prone to whim, without his normal reasoned, intelligent thought?  If done on a whim, then certainly it would speak to me of a Domly wishywashyness that breeds insecurity in a submissive.  Subordinating my own considerably strong will to him would probably become difficult, whereas now it isn't.  There would be within me a tendency to pull back slightly, putting up at least minor barriers of mind and heart.  IMO, not a good thing.  All of this = tension which can lead to "stress fractures" in the foundation of the W/we, the U/us, of he and i.
 
There are many things I can think of that I'd do, if commanded to.  Some of them I'd just suck up and get over, and he, I and the relationshp would be no worse for it.  Others.....yes, I'd do them, but the cost would be high, both to my personhood and the relationship.  Some things, such as being told to go play in the street, or jump of a 5 story building, or perhaps lay down on the train tracks, I wouldn't do - but I'd get the message loud and clear.  That message would be that my love, devotion, service and submission were no longer desired.  And i'd behave accordingly, bowing out of his presence, leaving his service, with as much grace and dignity as my mutilated heart would allow.
 
-grace

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ORIGINAL: amelliagrace

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ORIGINAL: Alyoop

Side note - you mostly see people saying they cringed at the thought, no owned slave said they would refuse to do it. And on who is to decide what is appropriate that is for every free of their own household. Once again you dont see the slaves, (actually owned and collared) saying they think it's horriable. The closest was camillie with a cringe. Because that is left for the free to decide what is best for them.

Granted, I'm submissive, not slave, so my thoughts should perhaps be taken with a grain of salt in this forum.
 
  The fact of the matter is that if Master asked me to cut myself, and provide photographic proof, I would.  As with all choices and actions in life, there would be consequences and fallout.  First off, it isn't likely I'd be cut myself severely, for I just don't think I have it in me.  Secondly, it would undermine my trust in him, causing me to feel that perhaps I was no longer that valuable to him.  Third, I'd probably begin to question his judgement.  Is he becoming prone to whim, without his normal reasoned, intelligent thought?  If done on a whim, then certainly it would speak to me of a Domly wishywashyness that breeds insecurity in a submissive.  Subordinating my own considerably strong will to him would probably become difficult, whereas now it isn't.  There would be within me a tendency to pull back slightly, putting up at least minor barriers of mind and heart.  IMO, not a good thing.  All of this = tension which can lead to "stress fractures" in the foundation of the W/we, the U/us, of he and i.
 
There are many things I can think of that I'd do, if commanded to.  Some of them I'd just suck up and get over, and he, I and the relationshp would be no worse for it.  Others.....yes, I'd do them, but the cost would be high, both to my personhood and the relationship.  Some things, such as being told to go play in the street, or jump of a 5 story building, or perhaps lay down on the train tracks, I wouldn't do - but I'd get the message loud and clear.  That message would be that my love, devotion, service and submission were no longer desired.  And i'd behave accordingly, bowing out of his presence, leaving his service, with as much grace and dignity as my mutilated heart would allow.
 
-grace

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

I never test, or ask anyone to prove themselves.  Such things can only arise from a sense of insecurity in how may partner feels about me. I would much rather encourage positive aspects......and let connections flow and form-without the hindrance of "could be",or "maybe"......

Power comes from what we are to each other.

Power can build, or power can destroy.

Intent decides which it will be.

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

Greetings,

I honestly don't get the online stuff, i have never seen it as being owned, i can't to me its not real.  Therefore, these women are presuming what their reactions should be instead of going with what they are, and playing a guessing game that in the end could lead to something offline woud not in many cases. Offline survival instincts do kick in in a woman and they run.  Many people like to say ohh if you run you aren't a slave, if someone tells you that they are simply gamers in my opinion because they don't understand slaves have every instinct and reaction most other people have in certain situations.  Actual slaves live within another's control, NOT their own control.  The people who say crap like that make me soo angry because they are the people who allow these women online to GUESS what a slave would do and in the end they are trying to be a slave in the name of slave instead of the reality of simply being one or women in reality to stay where she shouldn't for her own survival in the guessing of how cna i be seen as a slave.  These people who claim if you run you aren't a slave are the people who don't get what slavery is, and instead they try and utilize the name of slave to control a woman instead of utilizing themselves to own a woman.  Sorry, as you can see the concept of this agitates me lol.

Women who are slaves aren't robots or editomes of perfection to a fantasy concept in a Man's mind, they are flawed, they are mostly imperfect, they are simply owned human beings.  A woman who is a slave deals in her life as reactions, which survival instinct is.   This example is why i don't see women who have never met or who don't spend a good amount of time within their Master's presence, a couple days a month at the very minimum, as women who are slaves.  If you don't spend time in their presence you don't know your natural reactions to him and your situation as slave.  Who knows it just may be an okay reaction in the end, or it may be a reaction where you run.  I personally would say no fucking way lol, if he wanted to do it, he would have too.  I don't need to prove my slavery to any Man that badly where hurting myself physically would be on the list of need to dos lol.  But i would get my nipples pierced for him.  So, in the end, its hard to say what would and would not be a correct doing of a slave becuase for some it would be a sure thing okay Master reaction, and some would be no way in hell Master.  How the Man chooses to deal with either is how their relationship works.   To me, personally, a MAn who needs a woman to prove her slavery to him, has lost touch with his ownership of her.  If he needs her to understand her own slavery, in the end, that is his ability through his mastery and enslavement of her, not her actions to him based on a underlying threat of you aren't being a slave to me.

So where do you draw the line, you draw it in reality which occurs offline, the relationship that is.  Online there just seems to be too much "having to prove" you are a slave, instead of just being one. 

Now lol to really screw things up, the only reason people are gasping in horror is because of the concept they feel is "unacceptable."  I don't agree with a woman doing what this one is to herself, to me, if the Man wishes it HE should do it.  I also don't agree with women beating themselves or whipping themselves etc in order to punish themselves like a Man would if he were there.  To me, its not a natural thing in what i know and understand within the concept of slavery.  BUT, on some level, its no different than the Man making her play with herself or do things for him to please him over distance, the "thing" being done is repugnant so its unacceptable.  But what is the difference between that and a woman going to get tatoos or brandings for her "Master," or multiple piercings, while he is not there.  Many people would not see this as repugnant.  But each of those are also painful to do and leave "scars" and may bleed.

A woman who is a slave to a Man does not have expectations for herself, her world is ruled by her Master, she is a slave owned.  Therefore, her expectation is one of being owned.  BUt that doesn't mean she is mindless, it doesn't mean she won't find a reaction to run from the Man who owns her if he causes that reaction in her -- and this is the true reaction, one of fear, of loathing, of disgust that builds until it comes down to him or her, and slaves are not some fanatical concept of ohhhhhh i will allow him to kill me, i will stay with him in the name of slave.  Women like this have slavery all screwed up in their minds because a mentality like this doesn't allows for natural reactions instead she is a slave for the name of slave.  She is trying to be a slave instead of simply being. 

A woman who is slave doesn't have an expectation of controling.  But she doesn't try and make it happen either, if that makes sense.  A man who is her Master creates her environment for her, he through his mastery and enslavement, owns her and compels the slave from her in her reactions to him.  Some will get it, and some won't.  Some will try and be Master and slave, some will simply be Master and slave.

In the end, you will have the unusual, you will have the repugnant, you will not understand some people's ideas of such, and in the end, there will be people you do.  In the end, the only part you have to understand is your Master's idea of slavery and what it means to him and in the end, to you. 

Hope this makes sense.  Honesly, if you try and compare different aspects of what others do versus what strangers believe, you will simply cause yourself a headache. 

angel