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Do you believe in non-consensual slavery?

Yes...

21% (63)

Hell Yes...

17% (50)

No...

15% (45)

Hell No...

32% (94)

Depends on the wench...

12% (37)

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RE: Do you believe in non-consensual slavery? - 2/1/2009 5:35:57 PM

eponavet

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i just have to ask....why are the options "yes" and "hell yes" or "no" and "hell no"...isn't that redundant? If there is any ambiguity in your feelings, wouldn't you pick the option that it depends...?

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RE: Do you believe in non-consensual slavery? - 2/1/2009 5:43:26 PM

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Apparently those that chose hell yes or hell no understood the difference...

I'm the one that wants the analytical types to think for themselves...

So you ponder on it for a while, if you don't get it, maybe you aren't meant too.

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RE: Do you believe in non-consensual slavery? - 2/1/2009 5:49:34 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

Apparently those that chose hell yes or hell no understood the difference...

I'm the one that wants the analytical types to think for themselves...

So you ponder on it for a while, if you don't get it, maybe you aren't meant too.

i'll do that, but....

Maybe facitiousness isn't something some people want to "get" either....

It is after all Super bowl Sunday and a few beers in me gets me feeling a little silly...

I forgot that's not allowed here....

silly me, i thought the

and

gave it away....

*can't spell...fasciscious and facitiousness...wow, who knew...i THINK that's right, but don't quote me on it

*

< Message edited by eponavet -- 2/1/2009 5:57:19 PM >

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RE: Do you believe in non-consensual slavery? - 2/1/2009 5:55:18 PM

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interesting...

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RE: Do you believe in non-consensual slavery? - 2/1/2009 6:01:48 PM

eponavet

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3 miller lites....doesn't take much!

And since i have nothing important to say....

i just ramble when something catches my eye....

Not very interesting, huh Bull?

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RE: Do you believe in non-consensual slavery? - 2/1/2009 6:14:28 PM

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If you want analytical, I can do that too. I chose a simple 'No', because I am not one to get all 'up in arms' in my beliefs. Since you invite Goreans and non-Goreans to reply, I'd give my two cents. If you want the analytic reason...here goes.

If a girl is in a gorean slavery and for one reason or another is handed off to someone she does not want to be handed off to, then she is going into a non-consentual slavery *of sorts*. I have to say 'of-sorts', because while she does not want it, as her devotion to her Gorean beliefs, she will obey. She isn't looking for a way out, she is surrendered to her slavery. If she is not as devoted to that girl in example A, she may flat out refuse and not go, or if forced physically, at the very least have the law on her side. If you're ungorean and don't wish it...well, the answer is obvious, as you refer to her course in example B, and further, if vindictive, may even press charges!...because its illegal.

So, opening it up to any and all philosophies will certainly bring different answers. I would still just simply answer 'No', however.

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RE: Do you believe in non-consensual slavery? - 2/1/2009 6:31:30 PM

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Yep that's all Gorean slavery is lol women who are soo devoted to Gorean beliefs they obey and hold themselves in slavery and well hell the Men are just ornaments so it all looks official. Damn, does this mean the Master's aren't needed anymore

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RE: Do you believe in non-consensual slavery? - 2/1/2009 6:34:17 PM

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poor, poor slutlings.....no men no cock !

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RE: Do you believe in non-consensual slavery? - 2/1/2009 6:34:47 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: barelynangel

Yep that's all Gorean slavery is lol women who are soo devoted to Gorean beliefs they obey and hold themselves in slavery and well hell the Men are just ornaments so it all looks official. Damn, does this mean the Master's aren't needed anymore

i KNEW you were hiding that from me!

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RE: Do you believe in non-consensual slavery? - 2/1/2009 6:42:51 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

poor, poor slutlings.....no men no cock !

please, please let's not be hasty.

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RE: Do you believe in non-consensual slavery? - 2/1/2009 6:47:45 PM

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LOL, yes, kinda. I've read the books, and remember reading somewhere, a Master talking with a slave and she asked him who would be her greatest trainer. His reply was (and this isn't verbatim...I can't even remember the book I read it in, but it IS in there, somewhere) "Your greatest trainer will be you. You will be responsible for becoming the slave you are." In essence, meaing, her devotion to her station is what places the value of who she is. I buy that. But in essence, no matter how you slice it, what you do to her or her situation, HER will will keep her obedient. SHE will choose to remain at the will of those 'oraments'. lol. So, yes...if she chooses to be a Gorean slave, she needs an ornament to steer her boat. I would think that places him above a mere ornament status lol. But, it still boils down to the fact that she's surrendered to the whole sitution. It isn't non-consentual, and wasn't even for those girls in the books, once it got to a point, and they got it the Gorean's way of thinking. Once they got it, (if you want to call it that way) THEN it is not non-consentual. Non-consentual slavery, if it's true non-consentual slavery, lends way to recourse for the one opposed to the capture.

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RE: Do you believe in non-consensual slavery? - 2/1/2009 7:02:06 PM

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Well there you go. Good luck with that.

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RE: Do you believe in non-consensual slavery? - 2/1/2009 7:06:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Louve00
But in essence, no matter how you slice it, what you do to her or her situation, HER will will keep her obedient.

It was never my will that kept me obedient! It kind of goes with that old addage, "His will be done!" So in that I have to vote, hell yes! It was never a matter of choice for me, it was a matter of once I found the right path, I had no choice but to take it. And yes at times, chained, bound, dragging behind, led, or whatever other words can be put to it. It isn't an easy path, but it is the one that once I was shown, I had no other choice. It only led one place for me.

I wish you well.

lishy

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RE: Do you believe in non-consensual slavery? - 2/2/2009 2:01:24 AM

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Actually, in the US, it's the law :-...

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RE: Do you believe in non-consensual slavery? - 2/2/2009 5:55:08 AM

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I do understand what you're saying, lishy. I feel though, that every decision we make...every feeling of what we are and what we should do, is a direct reaction (determination, maybe?) of a choice we have made. I don't for a moment deny that slavery isn't easy. But I do think, every female determines (and albeit, some men too, but a woman knows definitively whats within herself), which path she needs to take, and that, is by her choice.

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RE: Do you believe in non-consensual slavery? - 2/3/2009 3:26:38 AM

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May your water bags be full, Bull.

Long time no see. It's a long night, and absolutely nothing is happening, so here I am donating words. Coin or crap, i'll leave that evaluation to you.

Do I believe in non-consensual slavery? Hell yes.

It's definitely real, it's definitely possible, and for a free man understanding the risks of breaking the law and prepared to accept the consequences of his actions, it could even be a good thing.

It would certainly answer those lingering questions about whether any woman can be broken to slavery and formed/trained into acceptably pleasing property.

Would /I/ risk it? No. At least not in this environment, maybe after the collapse, when the survivors stake their claim. Too comfortable with what I have already to risk throwing it all away for the sake of some unknown that might potentially be pleasing.

May you always have plenty of water.

(Well, it beats saying Tal all the time and in this weather, I'd swear I'm Tahari)

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