SixFootMaster
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Ok, so I'm with you that each roll of the dice produces a (relatively) unique result, and that this result can be analogous to the uniqueness of a woman (or man, or anything). I still don't see the relevance of combining the face value of the three dice, as that face value is subjective in itself (arbitrarily assigned values that do not exist and are simply representations that the six sides of a die are distinct from one another... my previous statement that they could just as easily and accurately be representated by fruits still holds true). And that one can take this (relatively) unique result and use it to plot a specific spot on a continuum.
And there's where it breaks down for me. It's impossible to define and distinguish slave from submissive without either:
A. The use of fictional concepts such as "no limits", "no rights", etc.
B. The use of completely subjective criteria such as "feelings".
C. The use of vague terms relative to other undefined terms such as "more submissive".
In other words, the slave/submissive continuum simply doesn't exist. So you're going to all this trouble to ascertain a scientifically specific value, only to use it on a non-scientific, subjective and vague continuum that in all likelihood does not exist (and if it does, cannot be defined). The net result is a false portrayal of the subjective as scientific.
Of course, I may still be missing something.
John
I think what you're missing is a deeper understanding of psychology. Yes, the numbers on a die are merely symbols that represent a concept, but in the case of slave and submissive psychological traits, these are more or less defined. A profile can be expressed in a number of ways - for example, the Freudian system of ego, id, and superego. However, I'm going to borrow from Rule here, since the terminology is simpler and more precise:
Any individual person is , in their psychology, composed of three distinct parts - the Ego, the Soul, and the Ratio. To summarise briefly, the Ego contains the conscious awareness, it is the enactor of actions, the part of us that does things. The Soul is the part of us that has hopes, dreams, needs, and wants, it provides impetus and driving force to the Ego. The Ratio is the part of us that analyses, observes and makes sense of the world around us and within us, it is both extrospective and introspective congition. This is a rather simplistic view, since each component is then further comprised of other elements which in turn are comprised of still other elements. All that is necessary for this exercise however is to demonstrate that a person can pyschologically be quantified in each of these three different areas.
If you were to assess everyone you encountered in such a way, and the plot that data, you would have a set of spectra, mapping the correlation between different psychological traits, and the person that results. For instance, there is a spectrum defining the different degrees of passive or assertive nature. From these spectra we correlate the nature of submissive and slave, and as we move from slave across that band toward submissive we observe two things - that the plot when normalised approximates a bell curve, and that the dominant traits in Ego, Soul, and Id, vary in a consistent fashion. We can therefore assess a given individual into a relative position that they occupy on this spectrum. This is important only in that it can be done, and that we are concerned with only women who occupy that "left-most" position of 100% slave.
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