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Coping question - 10/29/2007 11:22:24 AM   
writergirl


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Most respectful greetings to both Free and slave,

I have a question aimed more at slaves, but am happy to hear any and all suggestions, of course.

I am asking this here because, though neither Master nor I are Gorean, we do both respect the lifestyle and, truth be told, it is probably the closer to our own relationship in terms of ownership and level/expectation of obedience than most D/s types of relationships. So thank you, in advance, for considering my question.

How does a girl cope with a situation where, for awhile, she finds her emotional needs not being met due to choices that her Master makes for Himself? An example might be that He distances Himself or does not communicate at a level the girl had grown accustomed to based on past experience.

Understanding that a girl has no right to demand or require anything (I shudder to think of the repercussions of that!), but I'm looking for ways of dealing with it internally. Ways to minimize the hurt or feeling of abandonment when I know very well I'm not being abandoned. The mind realizes certain things that the heart sometimes ignores (in many, many ways).

So again, any input or suggestions for coping mechanisms or ways to deal with the feelings without acting out or otherwise doing something inappropriate are most welcome.

Much thanks and wellwishes,
wg
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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 12:16:40 PM   
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Greetings Masters,
Greetings Mistresses,
Greetings slaves,
Greetings writergirl,

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An example might be that He distances Himself or does not communicate at a level the girl had grown accustomed to based on past experience


The hardest thing for sakinah to remember is' her place' and that 'knowing' isn't her right.

This girl deals with abandonment issues and they are the biggest cause of insecurity (acting out)so she just concentrates on being pleasing to Him and tries to NOT worry or take it personal.

This one likes the corner to sort through her feelings when she gets into 'me' mode.

It is truly something you are going to have to take to your Master .

well wishes

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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 12:24:58 PM   
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Greetings writegirl,

   How about a journal?
I am not sure if your Master already has you write a daily journel but even if you do, put it to him thru your journal dear. Let your feelings be respectfully know thru that tool. If he does not acknowledge it still, it can still be of use to you, just writing our feelings down, solidifying them can often times help to sort out our feelings and cope.

serve and be well,
Mistress Maahsatti

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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 12:32:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Maahsatti

Greetings writegirl,

  How about a journal?
I am not sure if your Master already has you write a daily journel but even if you do, put it to him thru your journal dear. Let your feelings be respectfully know thru that tool. If he does not acknowledge it still, it can still be of use to you, just writing our feelings down, solidifying them can often times help to sort out our feelings and cope.

serve and be well,
Mistress Maahsatti


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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 12:43:36 PM   
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Much thanks for the replies so far. I do appreciate all the input.

To clarify, I have spoken with my Master to a small degree about the issue, but I believe He is at a loss as to how I should cope. He will not change his actions (as He shouldn't), but I don't know that He is able to guide me in how I can deal with my feelings myself.

I do have a written journal, which Master knows about of course and knows that I will hand it over at whatever point He wishes. He has not asked for it. He's not much of a reader (which is somewhat odd for a writergirl, I admit), so this doesn't surprise me. The journal does help me in getting it out of my system somewhat.

A very good dominant friend of mine made an observation of me once, that I get much of my emotional needs met through communication. This is true. So when I can't communicate, I tend to get lost, emotionally. When the communication doesn't help in resolving an issue, the same things happens.

I do want to point out that this is not a perpetual issue, but an ongoing occasional one. But it seems to have fallen to me to deal with it and I just feel as if I'm failing in that regard.

Again, my great thanks for the suggestions and replies,
wg

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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 12:45:13 PM   
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greetings
 
There is the Gorean costum of the "Yellow Peach", or "Larm Fruit".  A slave when she desire to to express herself to her Master presents her self to him in the Nadu position head down arms extended out to him with a Peach in her hands. 

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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 1:02:37 PM   
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Greetings all

In my experience, when you are in a M/s relationship, it takes two to tango. It takes a master to feed the slave's heart and a slave to feed the masters heart. That when rules and protocols are established by the Master then he must also follow up on them and be consisitent. The slave my always be found pleasing, and must do her best to serve her masters wishes, and anticipate his needs.

Journaling is ok, as long as its not seen by the masses.


I hope this helps.

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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 1:02:52 PM   
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Hello writergirl,

This is going to sound harsh, something that I've been accused of from time to time.  I hardly think coming to a Gorean board, complaining about how YOU are treated, what your needs are, complaining about your Master, his treatment of you is anything positive.   

You have two choices, suck it up or not.  Harsh?  Well, yeah, but as a whole Goreans don't coddle girls.   IF you need advice I would suggest keeping this private, not airing it for all to see.  You might even consider asking people that actually know you and your Master.  What you do here on a public board is a reflection of him.   Good thing he's not Gorean, I know several Gorean men that would kick your butt into tomorrow for doing what you've done here.

I do wish you well,

Elizabeth

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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 1:08:27 PM   
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ALL YOU NON-GOREANS READ WHAT NOSATHRO WROTE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF YOU GOTTA COME TO THIS BOARD, CHECK THIS OUT.

It isn't that they are mindless doormats and dishrags; these kajirae, they have many opportunities and remedies to express to their Masters, and indeed to all Free.

They have no need to run out to their 100,000 closest freinds here at CollarMe and ask what you all think about Master doing this and that, and recieving half a story while everyone puts on their psychosis caps and says ---Kick the fucker to the curb, girl----

Or, the more even handed out there, communicate-communicate-communicate... find a non-threatening way to------

There are many non-threatening and clear structures and rituals provided to help a man notice that something rotten is cooking in Denmark ---- since there is never anything that is not gastitorically delightful in Norway that would be offered.

And that is why you don't hear a bunch of whining, and weeping and gnashing of teeth in relationships out here from these women. 

Hup the Fool
  
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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 1:25:29 PM   
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quote:

his is going to sound harsh, something that I've been accused of from time to time. I hardly think coming to a Gorean board, complaining about how YOU are treated, what your needs are, complaining about your Master, his treatment of you is anything positive.


Greetings,

Much thanks for your opinion, however, I believe you missed the entire point of my post.

I did not complain about my Master. I have no issues, intellectually, with what He is doing and I don't believe I represented myself as such. His actions are His to make. I am to accept them. I asked for positive ways to help me in dealing with an internal, emotional issue I am having. I specifically directed it toward slaves (though welcoming other constructive comments, of course), since it is my belief that other slaves have probably gone through, if not situationally similar issues, fundamentally similar ones.

Neither is it an issue about communcation. It is an issue of what I can do to deal with the emotions I'm having. I simply gave a few examples in order to give a basis from which to go. In no way was I airing dirty laundry, nor speaking ill of my Master. And I don't see anywhere in my post where I was asking to be coddled.

And while I appreciate your suggestion of keeping it private and asking people who know us, not everyone has the luxury of real time friends who understand the extent of M/s to which we try to adhere. Most will tell me something close to what you've told me. "Deal with it, leave, or, yknow, whatever." My point is, I'm trying to deal with it. I'm just at a loss as to how, as the things I have tried have not worked and I had hoped others may have things that worked for them that I haven't thought of. My apologies if that was not clear.

I truly appreciate the constructive comments from those who understood the question. I think, perhaps, I may have been a bit too optimistic in bringing this question here, thinking it would be different than the BDSM boards.

Though I have highest respects for those who live an M/s lifestyle in either tradition, for some reason, I thought the question would be better understood on this side.

My apologies for interrupting your board.

Wellwishes,
wg

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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 1:42:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: writergirl

I truly appreciate the constructive comments from those who understood the question. I think, perhaps, I may have been a bit too optimistic in bringing this question here, thinking it would be different than the BDSM boards.

Though I have highest respects for those who live an M/s lifestyle in either tradition, for some reason, I thought the question would be better understood on this side.

My apologies for interrupting your board.

Wellwishes,
wg




Oh FFS is this part supposed to be borrowed from the pity  thread.


You asked for opinions, now you get one that doesn't fit your sensative framework and you're gonna pout and run home. Well sweety life is neither always fun or fair. It's quite possible that even if you didn't like the post it might have been full of merit, so perhaps  you missed the point.

Bull

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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 2:13:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: writergirl

How does a girl cope with a situation where, for awhile, she finds her emotional needs not being met due to choices that her Master makes for Himself?

I'm looking for ways of dealing with it internally. Ways to minimize the hurt or feeling of abandonment when I know very well I'm not being abandoned. The mind realizes certain things that the heart sometimes ignores (in many, many ways).



Greetings wg,

ElizabethAnne already told you 'what' to do, which is suck it up. "How" to do that comes from within. You need to learn to let go of the hand holds. You're hanging on to your freedoms with your expectations. When you let go of those, all else will flow.

You are feeling 'hurt' that he's not behaving as you would have him behave. Think about that. Does that sound like the heart of a slave to you? Well, maybe you're not a slave. I don't know.

Letting go of those last vestiges of hand holds are always the most difficult ones. They are your last link to freedom .. doing things your own way .. serving as you think you should instead of as your are required to serve, being the slave you want to be instead of the slave he wants you to be. That's all internal, wg .. and unless and until you see it, no one is going to be able to 'make' you see it.

Good luck to you .. I hope you can break the expectation chains around you and embrace the freedom of your slavery.

Celeste

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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 2:21:49 PM   
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Tal Ron,

The only thing I will add is, I am intimately aware of everything concerning my property, sometimes even when she is not aware of it herself. To Master another takes quite a bit, and not everyone has it but can work on it. It comes down to either 1) Requires too much effort to make said property run properly, so you get rid of it 2) If said property is valuable enough, then find something that will fix the misfiring cyclinders, or 3) Ignore said property until the property ceases to function, or the problem goes away.

I do not collar property that is not first considered valuable, though some do and it is there right. So for me it is usually 2. I fix it once and don't have a problem with it in the future. If it becomes too much of a problem, I get rid of the property. Many people take a more extreme stance in dealing with their slaves, than they would their pet. Maybe if I had no pets and looked at them as just cattle, my emotions may be more removed, but have you ever had a bovine crawl into your bed?

Best suggestion I have for the girl, obey your owner and keep him informed of the issues his property has. I would not turn to the community for assistance in any of this, unless it was on a personal level and not a public forum.

Orion


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

ALL YOU NON-GOREANS READ WHAT NOSATHRO WROTE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF YOU GOTTA COME TO THIS BOARD, CHECK THIS OUT.

It isn't that they are mindless doormats and dishrags; these kajirae, they have many opportunities and remedies to express to their Masters, and indeed to all Free.

They have no need to run out to their 100,000 closest freinds here at CollarMe and ask what you all think about Master doing this and that, and recieving half a story while everyone puts on their psychosis caps and says ---Kick the fucker to the curb, girl----

Or, the more even handed out there, communicate-communicate-communicate... find a non-threatening way to------

There are many non-threatening and clear structures and rituals provided to help a man notice that something rotten is cooking in Denmark ---- since there is never anything that is not gastitorically delightful in Norway that would be offered.

And that is why you don't hear a bunch of whining, and weeping and gnashing of teeth in relationships out here from these women. 

Hup the Fool
 
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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 3:00:10 PM   
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Hello writergirl,

I also have serious fear of abandonment.  I just basically freaked out over nothing with my Master, and got so caught up in the idea that he was disrespecting me that I didn't even realize I was disrespecting him...and the root of that was being afraid he didn't really love me.  It's amazing the things we do to sabotage our own relationships - once we get it in our head that something is true we push and push and push until finally, it is true.  What can you say then?  "I was right"?

I got some great advice on the slaves thread (on page 135) and it might help you to read that.  The two that really stuck in my mind are focusing on the fact that I wear my Master's collar for a reason, because, like Orion said, a man who collars a slave sees her as valuale property.  And also focusing on my desire to serve my man, and make him proud of me.  I really don't want him stressed at work wondering why I'm being such a brat....I would rather have him smile when he thinks about me.

Trust me it's hard.  If I didn't have as much faith in my Master as I do I would say it's impossible!  I know you say that you don't expect your Master to change his behavior, but perhaps you can ask him to give you a sign that he isn't mad at *you*?  Maybe just something as simple as kissing your cheek every morning...as long as he does that, you can rest assured that things are fine with the two of you and not worry that he's pulling away from you.  Men tend to get reserved when they're stressed - don't misread stress at his job for pulling away from you.


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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 3:47:49 PM   
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Hi there writergirl. I am going to offer something I wrote a long time ago and although the situations are different, the solution (or coping mechanism) may work equally as well. I wrote this a few years ago when I was going through a dark time. ---------------------------------- I am awake.  It is 4:56AM as I begin writing this and still I have not yet found sleep. It is amazing sometimes, how I can see things with such lucidity at such odd times of the night.

I am a woman who has a few illnesses.  They are called Clinical Anxiety, Clinical Depression, and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.  I have learned in the many years that I have suffered from these maladies that they are not so much personality defects but rather medical conditions and as such, I have begun medical treatment for them.

Sometimes, it isn't enough.

So tonight as I felt myself falling into one of those downward spirals (Those of you who suffer from any of the above might know what I mean) I first turned to my owner and let him know where I was "going" so to speak. It is always necessary to inform him because after all, he even owns those spirals.

Then I got out of bed as the unwelcome and uncomfortable fingers of insomnia tightened their grip and I thought to myself - "What is it that I can do to make it better?"

These two words sounded off in my head with the utmost clarity

Please him.

You all might think that sounds either incredibly obvious or incredibly ridiculous but hear me out.

There was a day when I was in one of my dark holes and I was angry with him.  It wasn't because he had done anything unfair or because he had intentionally hurt me.  It was because I am ill and I was sorely lacking in the coping department and when he did something in my best interest, I was too lost in my own funk to see it.  We had discussed and discussed and in the end, as it should be, his word was final.  Because I must always do my best to keep the negative behavioral manifestations of such anger in check, I had a whopping amount of energy that was just bubbling to get out.  I was really quite amazed at the fierce and fiery power generator that was burning deep in my icky places so I got up from my spot on the floor and I began to take that negative energy and spend it doing everything and anything I could to please him. I didn't make a conscious decision to do it, it just sort of happened.

When I am really angry with someone, it is difficult for me to go out of my way to please them - in fact I believe that is probably the case for most humans.   A normal knee-jerk reaction to being angry at someone is usually quite the opposite but as I tend to be an abnormal person, *grin* I set to work.

From making sure he was as comfortable as possible to doing more housework - from putting on his favorite music to taking the time to lay my brow to his feet and pleasingly touch him I did anything and everything I could to ease his day and before I knew it, that ugliness within me was gone and it was replaced by the tones of inner serenity.

In any difficult time that followed, I did my best to remember that day and I poured my negative energies into positive action.  I tried as hard as I could to bring my focus to pinpoint clarity, even in those moments when my sight was nearly blinded by my own irrational thoughts.  It was difficult - it took conscious effort and it felt more like work than any part of my slavery to him had ever felt but in the end it felt like triumph and my path felt more secure but most importantly, I had taken something negative and turned it into his pleasure. 

So I offer this to all of you in hopes that what works for me, may in kind work for you. 

If you are angry and you feel as if you are about to explode, then please him.

If you cannot sleep and feel restless and edgy then please him.

If you have reached a point where you don't feel you can cope - then please him.

If you experience jealousy or envy and you're overcome with seeing red, then please him.

Even if you are angry with him, as difficult as it may sound - take a moment, focus, remember your purpose, and use that energy in any and every way you can to please him. 

And when you think you’ve done everything you can to please him, do more. 

It isn't that you shouldn't talk to him when you feel these things or that you should not face the issues themselves, but rather when you've exhausted those avenues and yet still you feel even the slightest bit of unrest.

Negative emotions and negative energy have an enormous and frightening amount of power.  They can be extremely destructive and they have the power to repeatedly pull you from your chosen path of slavery.  I decided that I would do my best to no longer allow that to happen.  In fact, with conscious effort, I have and will turn them into the fuel that pushes me running right down the center of that path and further toward my goal as a slave and as a positive woman.

I cannot say that this is the cure-all or that it will help anyone else but me but I have found, as I walk this path of slavery that to ground myself in times of anger, and to find that divine place of serenity that my active and conscious surrender to him brings, it is exactly what I must do.  I don't always succeed and as any human being, sometimes my emotions do get the best of me but I never stop trying. It wasn't until tonight, that I realized exactly what it was I was doing and those two words that mean so much popped into my head.

Please him.

And to think all this time I thought it was complicated...

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Well wishes,

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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 4:41:24 PM   
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Greetings ally,

  I absolutely loved your post.
I admire the strength in you , to take your destructive emotions and energy and turn them into constructive actions to further your efforts and grow within your slavery and relationship between you and your Master.
I know it must have been so truly hard and you and your story in my opinion help to define the strength and courage it takes to be a slave within Gorean standards.
You will be in my thoughts and prayers to be able to stay strong and courageous.

serve and be well,
Mistress Maahsatti
P.S. Pardon my dreadful spelling...lol

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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 6:41:19 PM   
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I agree with Elisabeth here; and I don't think it is harsh at all.
There is a price we pay for everything- if you wanted a sensitive man who would pay attention to your emotional needs, there are about 4,598,725 (give or take)  of those on E-Harmony or Match.com; but you really don't want them, do you? If you want a Man who will conquer and claim you in a way that is fierce and powerful, the flip side of that coin is that those sorts of Men tend to be rather stoic, and uninterested in exploring or expressing emotion, yours or His.
Most Dominant Men prefer to internalize their stress- and expect a girl to seek girlfriends for chatty soul searching.

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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 7:50:22 PM   
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Think the both of you need to learn communication skills. Shrugs gorean or not the man accepted you as his slave and he has a responsibility to you, just as you have a responsibility not to come to the boards and whine but go to him directly. Master would jack my backside from here in ny to california and back  if he saw that I would pull such a stunt. Since this isnt a gorean based question why did you post here and not another board?

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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 8:50:40 PM   
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Greetings, Mistress. Thank you truly for your response to my post, your kind words, and your well wishes. Every once in awhile I go back and re-read it when the going gets rough and it really does help.  I am very fortunate though, in that my owner is a very understanding man and he genuinely cares for all of my well being (physical and emotional) and believes that if he is going to own it, he is going to own it all whether it is beautiful or ugly.  I have aspects of myself that fall into both of these categories and while he celebrates those things that are beautiful, he also helps me to conquer those things that are not so lovely. Well wishes to you, Cav's ally  

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RE: Coping question - 10/29/2007 8:56:14 PM   
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Greetings, Master. I have found the opposite to be true in my own experiences.  While I have met a few men who care very little for the emotional issues of their slaves, most men that I know who have genuinely mastered their girls, do so by exploring not only their slave's emotions but their own as well and mastering all aspects of that girl.  It is through that exploration that they gain insight into the psyche of the girl. It is my experience that the Gorean man is a man full of emotion and expression.  He is not afraid to weep in times of joy or great sorrow and he can see nature and beauty in all of the facets of the human animal - even those things that most would find repugnant, he finds necessary to the balance of things. My owner said to me once (with regards to my emotions and even my ugly bits), "How am I to know the best course in my orchestration of your life if the information that I need from you is kept from me or given to someone else?" I do understand, however, that everyone's experiences vary and perhaps we have just spent time with very different people. Well wishes, Master. -Cav's ally  

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