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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 6:26:36 AM

Maahsatti

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Greetings ally,

Gotta sooo disagree with you on this. I am a mother of 4 boys and I assure you, they come first above and beyond any human being on the face of this planet.
Anything and everything takes a back seat when it comes to the needs and wants of my children. Adults should know better then to demand attention before a childs needs. Of course when the child or children are older, then things even out.

serve and be well,
Mistress Maahsatti

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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 6:43:33 AM

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Tal Cheryl,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Cherylmazana

While on Earth we usually companion for love, the fact remains why collar a woman who is not a slave, and who was your companion unless she has truly shown she has the heart of a slave? And then that is not a decision made because you are tired of her, it is because her essential nature has changed or been allowed to blossom into something she didn’t realise was there.

Cheryl

Now that was a sensible comment... It is well noted that Gorean men are supposed to value honor and live according to codes. That would indicate they have principles they value and that they trust their judgement. I do believe the free companionship is renewed yearly and they had a reason for that, in the event you wanted to move on was my belief. Why else do it that way.

To me, though a man can d what he will; it would seem only practical to enslave a wench that would serve you well. Though often enough the whip will ensure that is the Gorean tenan, no matter the case. However where everyone goes astray is that a girl that embraces her slavery and is beautiful and capable within it will most likely find her place in a pleasure garden of sorts. a girl that is not all that popular as a slave will most likely find her toils less than desireable. That would have to do with more than LOVE.

We often forget the Gorean ideal of slavery was not in most cases to find yourself a romantically envolvement with a mate. Folks do need to try and keep that straight.

I would suppose that love wasn't always the reason for companionship as well, there was the references to political motives. Hell, knowing the way a warrior thinks, he might comapnion a woman due to her physical benefits, able to bare fine warrior sons. Lust not love would be a motive there.

The problem when men allow women into the Gorean discussion on relationships is the love bug always bears it's ugly little head. That and it is a cultural thing where men start to feel a bit of guilt for looking at the disposition towards women so coldly and they start to soften their stance....BAHHHH... Men don't always do things for love.

Anyway, this post was more on track as I see it Cheryl...

Live well,

Bull

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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 6:57:45 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

Hello ally,
As always a very nicely written post, from a non-Gorean perspective... If you look close enough into those words, they could appear to be rather manipulative in fact, as if it were a slave challanging you and then stating if you fail, I'll own you...How nice... You say ally, words can serve any purpose, rules and laws can serve any purpose, so I guess we'll just have to stand on the principles of the Gorean tenants if we are to be Gorean.

So that in itself should say enough.

Greetings, Master. Thank you for your response and for your compliment. I beg to know, Master, in what way do the words appear to be manipulative? It was not my intention for them to appear that way. I do agree that if one is to be Gorean then they must stand on the tenets of the Gorean philosophy. I just don't understand why using marriage as a tool would go against those tenets. If it is what the man chooses to do - to make available the benefits to be had by that arrangement - I don't see where it goes against those tenets. Even after a long conversation with a Gorean that I respect dearly (who did try to explain it to me) I just couldn't agree. Perhaps it is a situation where it is best to agree to disagree. :) Well wishes to you, Master! Cav's ally

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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 7:00:46 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Maahsatti
Greetings ally,

Gotta sooo disagree with you on this. I am a mother of 4 boys and I assure you, they come first above and beyond any human being on the face of this planet.
Anything and everything takes a back seat when it comes to the needs and wants of my children. Adults should know better then to demand attention before a childs needs. Of course when the child or children are older, then things even out.

Greetings, Mistress. I think perhaps I was looking at wants and needs as well as specific situations. I have a hard time with absolutes. In my eyes, the um needs cannot always come first. The airplane example that I gave makes sense to me. The parent must receive oxygen first in order to insure that they will be capable of making sure the um gets theirs. If a parent starves to death so that his um can have his food first, where will the food come from after that? I do agree that in most cases, an um's needs come first, however I don't believe that to always be the case. And using Maslow's heirarchy of needs, I think it also depends on the need in question. Well wishes to you! Cav's ally

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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 7:07:14 AM

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Greeting Six,

I made an answer for this a long time ago, on a thread far, far away....Sometimes a man has to do what a man has to do in order to preserve his way, and maintain his property. But I will also note that if you do it right, the marriage thing is not all that important to her citizenship or legal status to remain with you. It is only in my opinion a last best chance thing.

I'm not sure about your laws. But here, I can employ the girl in my business, of course her funding will always return to her owner, she is after all his property, hence making this a cost effective plan. In doing so after 4 years of employment (I'm giving you a short version to eliminate the bordom, also bear inmind, I'm not a legal advisor) she can apply for citizenship.(Perhaps you are needing a maid, the other plus is she has no legal rights as a mate, unless you acknowledge as much, but why would you ever do that{smirks}) So marriage is just a last best chance and it also has to be demonstrated it is for more than obtaining legal status.

Marriage is a fact in most of our societies and one we have to learn to work with I reckon. But the books did say that marriage is most closely associated with free companionship. Hence, it would seem that if a man felt he had to get married, and being a Gorean was all that important, perhaps he should examine his motives.

Had I not been married long before I had discovered this Gorean thing, I'd do my relationship like Bob and Liz, They simply hold their free companionship ceremony every year.(well its far from simple and it is rather inspiring to attend, but I'm bias, I like them) It is the reason they have a gathering.

This in actuality is a subject that brings much fire to the conversation boards and I have friends that are married to slaves and they were married much before the Gorean condition envaded their heart. We all have to meet this on our own terms, unless you have gotten it right by accident or default, most have an issue to deal with here.

In the end, I don't really get to up in arms what a man is doing; so long as he is not trying to pass it off as a Gorean tenant. Acknowledge the truth of it and then abide to it the best and closest you can. No one is going to fire you from this job. We all have to do, what we have to do. Just like in my case, Natalie and I are married, I call her my free companion, she is free, she is my companion, do we fit the exact representation as inthe book, no. But would you take my Gor Card because of it? I'm trying to do it the best I can with what we have to work with, that's all any of us can do.

The only thing that has ever been my big contention, is don't call it Gorean if it isn't. Just call it what it is, "a man doing the best he can."

Live well,

Bull

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There is at least one valid reason to marry your slave - beating the system in regards to visa's and legal residence in a country not their own.

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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 7:13:49 AM

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Hello little chew toy,

I sure do like your comments about 99.9% of the time, I have a feeling I'd rather enjoy the conversation with your owner.

He does it rather identical to the way I do it. At least what I get from your comments he does.

Serve him well,

Bull

quote:

ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

Quick reply:

This will be unpopular but I believe the adult relationships in a household come first before um's. I can think of only a few circumstances where a um would need to come first for both adults..case of injury/severe illness...everything else can wait a few minutes until the adults are done doing what it is they are doing. Strong adult relationships are what make ums happy and stable...if one adult is running to do for them all the time to the detriment of the adult relationship the ums suffer more. Since R makes all the decisions in the house, he decides who gets what when. My imperative is to provide my um with the most stable home and with the best shot at having everything he will need, that hinges completely on my being kept by R. If it means the um has to wait a few so be it. Even ums can learn and should learn there is a bigger picture then just them in the world.

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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 7:18:08 AM

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Tal Bull,

I have been re-evaluating my thinking on this whole slave-marriage issue. Consider for a moment that a person does not have to be free under Gorean law in order to enter into a contract on this planet. The laws here on Earth do not recognize Gorean slavery. And a slave's legal status under Earth law in no way changes the fact that under Gorean law she is still slave.

So, while a man may choose not to marry a slave for many reasons, for one who does so choose there is no need to free her and, therefore, no justification for pretending an obvious slut is a Gorean Free Woman and Companion. If a man wants to make a Free Woman of his girl, so be it. But he does not have to free the wench to change her legal status under Earth law to "married".

IWYW,

Kirata

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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 7:21:51 AM

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Greetings..~smiles~

Amen BeingChewsie

Well Wishes
starshine
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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 7:22:08 AM

xBullx

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Babs,

I'm gonna be that cold fucker for a sec here... You should probable face some facts...

No need to respnd though...

Are you in a solid relationship with a man at this point?

Is your man happy at home?

Does your solid relationship offer stability and guidance to your um's?

If yes to all the above I conceed your experiences make you a sound advisor and you are doing well.

Live well,

Bull

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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 7:31:57 AM

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Hello Ally,

You are a good girl and I don't believe you were out to manipulate(at least I would hope not), but I do believe it could be seen as such.

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If legality isn't an issue one way, why is it an issue the other way? Why is the thought of her "potentially" taking all he owns such a problem? Either master the girl or don't. If you master her, she won't take your stuff. If you don't, she just might. Even a slave who isn't married and lives beneath the same roof as her owner has the potential to take what is his. It can happen either way.

If you read this as I did it sounds as though you were daring a man to be good or be owned. That you were offering a slave the recourse if her "master" didn't master her. Hence giving her power over him, so as I said, daring him to try and master her or suffer her fate. While a weak man might in fact deserve as much, it is not a slaves place to hold him liable. I trust I explained my thinking well enough. You are welcome to further explanation if needed. I do like you and your demeanor.

I can leaglly provide anything to a "slave" that she will ever need without marrying her. I do believe in my heart that to enter into a contract that gves a slave autority is never a good idea. But that is me.

Serve him well,

Bull

quote:

ORIGINAL: allyC
Greetings, Master. Thank you for your response and for your compliment. I beg to know, Master, in what way do the words appear to be manipulative? It was not my intention for them to appear that way. I do agree that if one is to be Gorean then they must stand on the tenets of the Gorean philosophy. I just don't understand why using marriage as a tool would go against those tenets. If it is what the man chooses to do - to make available the benefits to be had by that arrangement - I don't see where it goes against those tenets. Even after a long conversation with a Gorean that I respect dearly (who did try to explain it to me) I just couldn't agree. Perhaps it is a situation where it is best to agree to disagree. :) Well wishes to you, Master! Cav's ally

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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 7:51:44 AM

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Tal Kirata,

I'm not sure where this marrying a girl when she's a slut and calling her a free companion came from. Folks seem to be forcing this to be an all one way or not at all issue.

My contention is that you don't marry a slave if you want to call it a Gorean tenant. It's a contractual obligation and like has been stated before if you walked into a paga den in Ar and said you gave legal rights to a slave you would be deafened by the laughter. The only point to this is that whether you do it or not is of no concern to me, that is your doing, I just don't see it as a Gorean tenant.

Now as for making a slut/slave a free companion, again I would ask....."WHY?" ....

If the woman is truly such she most likely would not want or need any legal representaion with you, her place is held with you by her efforts, nothing more. If she is a slut/slave why would a Gorean want to have his free sons with her? If she is worthy of bearing his children why would she be considered a slave? Just ponder on this.

I know living in the society we do makes this all complicated from the stand point of what to do for a man, but I have no trouble now that I'm not trying to make Gor what I want it to be.

I do see your point, and perhaps all of this shouldn't matter. But it just does to me. It seems we spend all this energy looking to coddle the slaves into some sense of security. I will always take care of my property if it serves me well. If it doesn't, it obviously needs a new owner, I perfer not having the threat of I'll take half, you owe me this hanging over my head if she wants the security and is not giving the effort. But hey, that's just me.

Live well,

Bull

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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 7:58:43 AM

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Tal Bull,

I never did tip the sauce. Resorting to drink to rid myself of a headache isn't my style.

As for the books, I have read more now, although I'm still not done. I will give you the benefit of the doubt in assuming that your interpretation of Tarl's intentions, being based on a more extensive reading, is more accurate than my own reading. As such, I'll retract the statement on his intentions at the moment. Which books do you think would provide me with the best grounds upon which to reevaluate my interpretation of his intentions?

I agree that, in the books, it is forwarded that the men of Gor are less weak, which changes things a bit.

That said, I have met plenty of weak men from highly male-dominated cultures on Earth, and I do not buy akbarbarian's premise that weak men would suddenly become strong if society enabled them to hold women as slaves in the absence of personal merits. If that is the Gorean premise, as you interpret it, you are- of course, as always- well within your rights to regard me as a non-Gorean. It doesn't change who I am.

In either case, I'm still learning and growing, so time will tell how and where my stance on this is going to end up.
At this time, however, I believe that there is a difference between enslavement and systematic oppression.
And I also believe that there is a difference in the character of the men who do it.
In the world we live, that has little direct bearing on my life, however.

Health,
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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 8:23:29 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

Tal Bull,

I never did tip the sauce. Resorting to drink to rid myself of a headache isn't my style.

As for the books, I have read more now, although I'm still not done. I will give you the benefit of the doubt in assuming that your interpretation of Tarl's intentions, being based on a more extensive reading, is more accurate than my own reading. As such, I'll retract the statement on his intentions at the moment. Which books do you think would provide me with the best grounds upon which to reevaluate my interpretation of his intentions?

Actually Tarl evolves in a manner of speaking as the books roll along. He is most likely seen as adapted to his Gorean nature by the time he heads off in Marauders. He re-enslaves a couple girls he had previously released. I am not sure the names, the one little slut was his "accountant" for lack of a better term.

Actaully if you want a condensed version of the Gorean evolution, read the Marshall three, Fighting Slave through Guardsman; In three books Jason discovers what took Tarl 9 books. Tarl is obviously hard headed.

If I got a few details wrong blame it on memory, but I think I have it correct, minus the names of the sluts.

quote:

I agree that, in the books, it is forwarded that the men of Gor are less weak, which changes things a bit.

Well since the books are fiction it offers Norman the way to create an ideak man law society. Bt it is the philosophies these men inspire that are the staple of what I think we are striving for, not insisting the Gorean tenants compromise to our ideals.

quote:

That said, I have met plenty of weak men from highly male-dominated cultures on Earth, and I do not buy akbarbarian's premise that weak men would suddenly become strong if society enabled them to hold women as slaves in the absence of personal merits. If that is the Gorean premise, as you interpret it, you are- of course, as always- well within your rights to regard me as a non-Gorean. It doesn't change who I am.

I believe the Gorean tenant is that these weak men will be eaten in good time, that is after all the design of nature that the strongest DNA move forward. Also remember . weakness is not simply an issue of physical prowess.

quote:

In either case, I'm still learning and growing, so time will tell how and where my stance on this is going to end up.
At this time, however, I believe that there is a difference between enslavement and systematic oppression.
And I also believe that there is a difference in the character of the men who do it.
In the world we live, that has little direct bearing on my life, however.

In our present societies you are most certainly correct in your assumption here. But isn't that why we are searching for that better way?

Live well,

Bull

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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 11:21:12 AM

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*Fast reply, because honestly I don't know WHO to reply to anymore on this thread*

Nobody, I mean nobody, tells me what to do in my own house with my own girl. Nobody.

And with that--I don't presume to tell any other man what to do in his house with his girl(s). First, it's none of my business, and second, why should I care? I've enough to take care of in my own house.

Debates like this confuse me for that reason. Clearly it matters to others, though.

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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 11:31:31 AM

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Nobody, I mean nobody, tells me what to do in my own house with my own girl. Nobody.

I am sooooooooo sick of hearing this kind of impotent bluster. There are tons of things that none of us can do in our house, or with our girl, and if we try it we'll find out how fast Mister "Nobody" can put us someplace we won't enjoy.

K.

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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 11:33:45 AM

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OK....but then all the more reason for the pointlessness of the debate.

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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 11:51:57 AM

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G’morning, folks,

Howdy, ally-kins!

quote:

ORIGINAL: allyC
I do agree that if one is to be Gorean then they must stand on the tenets of the Gorean philosophy.

I think that most would agree that the primary tenet of Gorean philosophy is individual sovereignty. It is, imo, the core virtue.

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ORIGINAL: allyC
I just don't understand why using marriage as a tool would go against those tenets. If it is what the man chooses to do - to make available the benefits to be had by that arrangement - I don't see where it goes against those tenets.

In such a binding agreement, each party offers his word/bond to the other. In effect, he is saying “I, as a sovereign individual, give freely my word & bond to this end” & the other party reciprocates in same.

In this action, one of the two following things is made clear:

1) While I view you as my kajira most times, for the purposes of this agreement, I will view you as individually sovereign & freely party to this agreement.

…OR…

2) While I hold that individual sovereignty is my primary virtue, I will set that identifying virtue aside for the gain to be had in entering this agreement with you.

It seems that either is a tad too conveniently flexible to be very deeply held convictions. It’s easy to uphold one’s values when there is no difficulty.

For example: it is easy to be a pacifist when one never faces a direct physical threat to oneself. If, however, a pacifist were to set aside his primary virtue & act to defend himself from a direct physical threat, I would feel at ease in stating that said “pacifist’s” actions refute his proclaimed indentifying virtue. He has ceased to be a pacifist.

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ORIGINAL: allyC
Even after a long conversation with a Gorean that I respect dearly (who did try to explain it to me) I just couldn't agree

I remain confident that you will ‘see the light’ in time… ;-D

(BTW, Un says you should come over tomorrow night, as I have a crop for beating on butts & he wants to watch….LOL)

Well wishes,

~Kimveri

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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 12:32:34 PM

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Tal Kimveri,

I'm not sure I agree with the certain aspects of your analysis.

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ORIGINAL: Kimveri

In this action, one of the two following things is made clear:

1) While I view you as my kajira most times, for the purposes of this agreement, I will view you as individually sovereign & freely party to this agreement.

…OR…

2) While I hold that individual sovereignty is my primary virtue, I will set that identifying virtue aside for the gain to be had in entering this agreement with you.

Firstly, in this society the girl is a sovereign individual, no matter her status under Gorean law or the fact that she and her Master and the Gorean community view her as a slave. Marrying her introduces nothing new.

Secondly, entering into any agreement makes a person liable for performance under the terms of that agreement. If entering into an agreement constitutes 'setting individual sovereignty aside,' few of us have any left to lose.

IWYW,

Kirata

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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 12:58:44 PM

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Tal, Kirata,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata
Firstly, in this society the girl is a sovereign individual, no matter her status under Gorean law or the fact that she and her Master and the Gorean community view her as a slave.

Only if he relies on social constructs to "master" his female, rather than his own natural ability to do so. If he actually masters the female he calls his "slave" then the legalities of either Gorean fiction (a simple allegory) or of our current culture are moot -- she is not "individually sovereign" because he has taken that from her.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
If entering into an agreement constitutes 'setting individual sovereignty aside,' few of us have any left to lose.

Entering into such an agreement with one's peer (read as: another sovereign individual) does not equate to 'setting individual sovereignty aside'. Entering into such an agreement with someone whom is mastered & enslaved, who is no longer individually sovereign, does.

I wish you most well,

~Kim

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RE: Is calling a slave a FC so you can marry just seman... - 11/3/2007 1:10:12 PM

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Hi Ty,

I know I dont have to respond to this, but I kinda want to.

I am not sure, but are you saying, that if I am not currently in a relationship with a man and a sound relationship, at this time in my life, that I do not have enough experience to make a constructive assesment or place a valid opinion on the issue?
If so, I would have to disagree. I have been thru a lot in my life, marriage being one of them. We were a vanilla couple though. but I have had stable and good relationships. Just not currently...lol..blah.
That wont last forever though...I hope...*grinz*
I am being far more cautious and choosy this time is the reason why I am currently without companion.
I do agree with ally to a degree...if the ums have 2 parents..lets say me if I had one...I would for ally's plane scenario...give my oxygen to my companion...so that He could give the ums oxygen...I would give my companion AND my children my portion of food...see what Im saying?
But when it would come down to dire needs of my children, never will anyone or anything come before them.Vanilla or Gorean relationship.
I believe I was entrusted by a higher power then humans with the life of my um's and I am responsable for them as they grow for all things.
Anyways, I just wanted to share in a bit more detail, why I feel the way I do and I wanted to thank you for the reply you made to me as well.
I do not have to always agree with the people I love, admire and respect and just because there may be a differance in opinion does not mean that could or would ever change in me.I value everything you say to me and I always will.

Always, wishing you well,
Babs

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Gorean women, whether slave or Free,know, that their simple presence, brings joy to men,and I cannot think but that this pleases them.
Outlaw of Gor, pg 54

(in reply to xBullx)

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