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When should a Master show his Dom side to his desired K... - 11/6/2007 12:51:27 PM   
WildHard


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Status: offline 		Tal and Greetings
I am using the dual greeting because I am not sure how pure my Gorean side is.
I have been doing a lot of studying and have come to the new realization that though I did not know it had a name I am indeed a Master.  I did not even know that it had a name.
I choose to approach a potential Kajira as my vanilla side for the first contacts
So my Question  to all Free Men is

When should A Master show his Dom side to the desired Kajira.?

I realize that I have much to learn  and would welcome a mentor

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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/6/2007 1:01:59 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Well, friend-----

The question is more at when (and if) a man should show his soft side to slaves at all, isn't it?

Look, the conversations I have out here in public are much different than those in private........I am not EVEN a funny, devil may care and totally inexacting motherfucker when it comes to reality.  But I am viking in nature......you do well, it will go pleasantly, otherwise not.  So, I think that trust and closeness and openness are not things given freely by anyone, and I am never to quick to show my hand, until I know yours..... just because some woman says she is slave, or Gorean slave and says she knows what, when, where, why and how the bear shits in the buckwheat is no guarentee.  

But why put a 1000 foot leash on them?  why not a fist full of hair and reel the leash out a little at a time, as you are sure of them--------

random, but insightful.

Hup the Fool

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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/6/2007 1:41:10 PM   
charlotte12


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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well, friend-----

The question is more at when (and if) a man should show his soft side to slaves at all, isn't it?

.....


But why put a 1000 foot leash on them?  why not a fist full of hair and reel the leash out a little at a time, as you are sure of them--------

random, but insightful.

Hup the Fool


Such a lovely image.

charlotte



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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/6/2007 4:46:40 PM   
Maahsatti


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Status: offline 		Greetings WildHard,

Start by realizing. There is no such thing as a Gorean side.
You either are, or you are not.

I wish you well,
Maahsatti

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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/6/2007 5:13:08 PM   
xBullx


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Status: offline 		Greetings, ________,

First off get a name that exudes a sense of respectability. I’m not interested in calling a man wild or hard. Secondly, this is about the best you will get in the mentoring department from most Goreans, a response to a question, assuming the question isn’t ridiculous, if it is you will be ……….. Tortured and killed.

Now, a man doesn’t learn to be a man, you have to have that in you. The Gorean part is also either within you or not, but you can learn it by talking with Goreans and reading, reading and reading, the books. Beyond that if you have to try to expose your dominance over a female, it most likely will fall quite short of being effective.

Just be yourself, if that isn’t good enough, why bother with some dramatic production… It would only be a lie, Goreans tend to frown on that.

Live well,

Bull

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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/6/2007 6:07:13 PM   
WildHard


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Status: offline 		Tal
Bull
Thanks for the advice on the name but because I am who I am I will keep it.
Second  I do not expect other Men to call me by name other than by my given name.
Third Perhaps because I speak my mind, I am the the music maker and I am the muscian of my own life.
Further if I have offended there was none intended.
I do believe I do have some of the philosophy of the Gorean men. However
I do not play wish to play in a fantasy world of Taverns and Tarns.
So this will be my last post in this side.
Be Well


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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/6/2007 6:30:39 PM   
Aswad


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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/6/2007 6:42:44 PM   
xBullx


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Status: offline 		Greetings again,

I'll just throw this one out there just in case you didn't run off to the other side yet.

Where is the other side by the way?

I thought I was rather civil; at least for me, I was. I'm a rather stuffy and grumpy ole' fucker so even getting a moderately civil response denotes something positive, at least as far as my attitude toward a first time poster.

It's tough to fit in around here at first; you see it seems to be that stranger and enemy thing Goreans seem to adhere too. But when a man has the nads to pay his dues, as we all have, at one time or another, he finds this place rather interesting and helpful, but if you want to run off, I reckon that says plenty on it's own and in fact might be why we aren't sweet and cuddly to the new folks straight away.

Oh, and I suppose I should have put a smirks or something besides the torture and kill ya part, most know I'm a bit of a stinker for teasin' everyone.

Anyway, good luck on the other side,

Bull

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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/6/2007 6:53:19 PM   
amelliagrace


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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

Greetings again,

I'll just throw this one out there just in case you didn't run off to the other side yet.

Where is the other side by the way?

I thought I was rather civil; at least for me, I was. I'm a rather stuffy and grumpy ole' fucker so even getting a moderately civil response denotes something positive, at least as far as my attitude toward a first time poster.

It's tough to fit in around here at first; you see it seems to be that stranger and enemy thing Goreans seem to adhere too. But when a man has the nads to pay his dues, as we all have, at one time or another, he finds this place rather interesting and helpful, but if you want to run off, I reckon that says plenty on it's own and in fact might be why we aren't sweet and cuddly to the new folks straight away.

Oh, and I suppose I should have put a smirks or something besides the torture and kill ya part, most know I'm a bit of a stinker for teasin' everyone.

Anyway, good luck on the other side,

Bull


Just  men, Bull?
 
Regards-
Grace

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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/6/2007 7:08:01 PM   
sylkenkitten


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Tal,

~reads, rereads and just thinks for a moment~ .. let me get this straight, because you believe you read something you believe you are Master... sooo..the title you wish to use to adress yourself is Master, rather than Dominant. Ok that's but that does not make you Gorean.

... what I say now I say without offense intended to those that live the Gorean lifestyle that are Gorean.

BDSM .. Bondage, Discipline, Sado and Maso.

Also .. BD Ds SM sM .. BD being Bondage and Discipline, Ds being Dominant submissive, SM being Sado Maso, sM being slave Master

All aspects are within it, many of my friends prefer being called Master or Mistress by their own submissives or slaves, it is all about what words resonate the most for you, nothing more, nothing less..

kajira is another name for slave ... associated with those that live the Gorean lifestyle..

If you are interested in a woman, approach her as a man, is the woman kajira? does she claim to be kajira? If so why are you concerned about approaching her with a 'Dom' side.. Dom/Master.. it's the same thing...

Be yourself, express your interests to her.. best of luck in your search for knowledge gaining.

Kitten

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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/6/2007 7:23:47 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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Now where the hell is the beer and popcorn?

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quote:

ORIGINAL: WildHard

Tal and Greetings
I am using the dual greeting because I am not sure how pure my Gorean side is.
I have been doing a lot of studying and have come to the new realization that though I did not know it had a name I am indeed a Master.  I did not even know that it had a name.
I choose to approach a potential Kajira as my vanilla side for the first contacts
So my Question  to all Free Men is

When should A Master show his Dom side to the desired Kajira.?

I realize that I have much to learn  and would welcome a mentor




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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/6/2007 7:24:04 PM   
Vanatru


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Status: offline 		Damn Bull! That was a riot!  Good thing I wasn't drinking anything when I read your posts.

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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/6/2007 7:32:33 PM   
Maahsatti


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Hands you some fresh made buttered popcorn and an ice cold one.
* settles to kneel next to ya, if you so allow and share the popcorn...I have a pepsi though...hehe
Hows that for role playing?*rolls me eyes*

Take care,
Maah

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Gorean women, whether slave or Free,know, that their simple presence, brings joy to men,and I cannot think but that this pleases them.
Outlaw of Gor, pg 54

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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/6/2007 9:06:35 PM   
sextoygirlNY


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Status: offline 		greetings Master "call me by my given name but never giving that given name"
aka Master Wild Hard,

if a girl may ask, even if you threw out one question and received a what you would consider negative feedback why would you run away and say "this will be my last post on this side" You have a genuine question, which the basis of the question sort of goes against what it means to be a man, vs a Man.  
Here on this side, they do not take kindly to strangers at first. You are a newbie poster, therefore you are easily equated to an enemy until you respectfully establish yourself. Initial postings can sometimes be a faux paus, however through time, respect, questions, interchanges, conversation, and openess, you will find that many here have a wealth of information and insight to offer you.
Running away back to the other side, well, you will meet those who will sit back and enjoy the show.......

Wishes you lots of luck and happiness searching for your "side"
sincerely
a girl
(Master's wishes for melanie to be "a girl")

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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/6/2007 11:07:22 PM   
amelliagrace


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ORIGINAL: WildHard

Tal and Greetings
I am using the dual greeting because I am not sure how pure my Gorean side is.
I have been doing a lot of studying and have come to the new realization that though I did not know it had a name I am indeed a Master.  I did not even know that it had a name.
I choose to approach a potential Kajira as my vanilla side for the first contacts
So my Question  to all Free Men is

When should A Master show his Dom side to the desired Kajira.?

I realize that I have much to learn  and would welcome a mentor




WH -
I speak as a woman, and for myself only.  How can a dominant man NOT show a woman his "dominant" side?  You are what you are.  Even if you aren't in uber-Dom mode, even if you are in a 'nilla setting, what you are does, and should, show.  Dominance, especially from very confident men who are comfortable in their own skin, is often quiet.  It need not shout to be heard.  It need not jump up and down to be seen.  It need not weild a whip to be felt.
 
When a man is truly dominant, when a man is free, it exudes.  It permeates everything he does.  He is what he is, and it shows.
 
JMO -
Grace

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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/7/2007 12:22:19 AM   
Cherylmazana


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Status: offline 		A man should simply be who he is, I don’t think Gorean’s have specific sides to show at specific times. They just are.

Cheryl

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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/7/2007 5:08:38 AM   
ElizabethAnne


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You have said  you have read all the books, and regret the time you spent as a "kajira".   Ok, I'll ask the question again, I believe Cheryl asked it first, why are you here?  Besides the pat answer, "because I can".  Try to think a little deeper than that.

Your anger and bitterness is "shooting" through regarding Gorean lifestyle, philosophy and customs.   I don't think anyone has ever said, Gorean is for everyone.  Obviously it's not for you, and that's fine.  

Regards,

Elizabeth

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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/7/2007 5:12:41 AM   
WildHard


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Status: offline 		Greetings again and Tal all
I am strong enough to admit I spoke out of turn and was in a musing frame of mind.
of course I would be considered the enemy. I expected that but I figure its best to get over the hazing and the be known.
I appreciate the fair and balanced response and Bull you seem like the kind of guy I hung out with in the Army many years ago.
The reason I had posted this question had nothing to do with  NOT BEING DOM all the time.  It had more to do with the diversity between the world of subs vs slaves. Slaves are taken this I fully understand.
But free women who call themselves subs consider their submission a gift. 
If this were indeed a Gorean society I would simply choose the one and take the one.
But we live on Earth with a society that has worked hard in the last few years to emascualte Men
and I personally am concerned about the next generation of Men who have been raised by men who have surrendered their balls
I see too many men who are yes dear type and it turns my stomache.
But also on the other hand I believe in mixing sadism with the right amount of softness as well.
I am sure most realise now that as a Man in the workplace they make it a firing offense to even compliment a womans legs if you choose to.  So if I am interested in a woman I first want her to see me as a Man and then feel out if she is submissive, or slave or switch type. Vs pure Slave oriented.
As for the Mentor question that had more to do with my wanting to gain more knowledge my philosophy is only a fool claims to know it all

Be Well
and No I do not run from a fight!

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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/7/2007 5:20:40 AM   
shootingstar67


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ORIGINAL: ElizabethAnne

shooting star,

You have said  you have read all the books, and regret the time you spent as a "kajira".   Ok, I'll ask the question again, I believe Cheryl asked it first, why are you here?  Besides the pat answer, "because I can".  Try to think a little deeper than that.

Your anger and bitterness is "shooting" through regarding Gorean lifestyle, philosophy and customs.   I don't think anyone has ever said, Gorean is for everyone.  Obviously it's not for you, and that's fine.  

Regards,

Elizabeth


I know I shouldnt be here.  I just happend to read this thread. The OP is a newbe who I thought asked a valid question. Nobody answered it.  It is an important question.

Doms/Masters when they are very new don't know when to Dom.  I rather the OP ask and get a straight answer then fail when he comes on too strong with a Kajira

We all deal with this issue. How long should I know someone before I submit. How long should should I know her before I Dom? It seems obvious to everyone except the raw newbe.  I know because I am just starting to deal with RL issues myself even considering trying to meet someone  in person and start a relationship.

The issues are the same Gor and D/s. The guy seemed nervous, but eager to do the right thing. The answer I gave him wasn't Gorean but it was how it works generally.

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RE: When should a Master show his Dom side to his desir... - 11/7/2007 5:28:44 AM   
Maahsatti


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Status: offline 		Greetings WildHard,

I believe you are under a misconception. Gorean FW do not feel their submission is a gift. We only submit to 1 man our FC, we defer to other men and respect them Gorean or not. True men will always have our respect. No Gorean believes that submission is a gift.
I think the best advise to you was already given. Be yourself, always and you will know when the time is right in your heart, when to show more dominance and when to lay back a bit.Be who you are, a man and a slave, sub or FW will see it and feel it and react to you accordingly.
I hope this helps a little bit in your efforts to learn.

I wish you well,
Maahsatti

P.S. I want to make it more clear, that when I said we respect and defer to real men...that we do so after that man has earned the respect. respect is not just handed out on silver platters, it is earned...by everyone.

< Message edited by Maahsatti -- 11/7/2007 5:44:32 AM >

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