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BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 1:32:36 PM   
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I have received emails asking me to post this as a seperate topic.  I hope some of you will choose to help with this situation.  It could benefit any and all who enjoy the public BDSM club scene.
 
The Denver area has had an active community for many years.  At one time we had 21 different groups meeting, so you could take your pick of your interests and mingle with people who shared them.  We have had two local BDSM clubs here, but, due to so many being shut down by authorities many have moved underground again to private parties.  We have a huge battle going on here, and I wish people across the country would get involved.
 
Every year we host Thunder in the Mountains, a three day BDSM event with nationally known presenters and four dungeons for the play party nights.  This year we had over 1000 kinky people show up for the event.  It really is one of the premiere events in the country.
 
I would like to take this opportunity to share some information with you about a crisis we have going on here, however.  The reason I want to share this information is it could impact the clubs across the country.  We have a BDSM club here in Denver. (actually located in Commerce City just north of Denver
 
The owners of this club decided before they bought the building and remodeled it and opened a BDSM club, that they would make it completely legal.  Legally licensed, city approved.
 
Well... They went to the city council and all other governing authorities and were completely upfront about what they were wanting to open.  They were told what type of license they would need and that the building was in an appropriate zone.  They purchased the building, and sunk a TON of cash into it. 
 
At the time they were opening, there were even laws on the books against flogging... and bar rules had to apply, such as nipples covered, no genital nudity, etc.
 
These people took on the fight to get BDSM approved and took on the city council over one activity at a time.  They got approval for nudity, all activities that we enjoy except fire play and sexual penetration.  (The fire marshall just can't wrap his mind around us setting people on fire... <grin>)
 
Ok... to try to shorten this... The owners of the Enclave opened the doors and started doing business.  Then, when it was time for the city to issue a permanent license instead of the provisional one, they decided they didn't like what was going on.  The court battles have been going on now for over 4 years.  The city is doing it's damnedest to run the owners out of money so the doors will close. 
 
Yesterday, the Colorado State Supreme Court decided to hear the case.... as appealed by Commerce City.  The Enclave had won appeals requiring the permanent license be issued.  The city just won't give up the fight.
 
I am not saying this will be the only completely legally licensed BDSM club in the country because I don't know that for a fact.  I have searched and can't find another one, but, one may be out there.  The vast majority of the clubs fly under the radar and operate as "private membership social clubs" or "non-profit membership clubs".... both of which can be shut down for allowing sexual activities.  These clubs have been closed down left and right all across the country.  Most of the clubs run under the radar, and have a life expectancy of about three years before the town or city they are in shut them down.  Not coincidentally, this usually occurs when elections are gearing up.  The exceptions to that example are located in places like NYC, SF and LA.
 
If anyone out there gives a damn about this, they could desperately use some help.  NCSF is aware of the fight, but won't get involved until the Supreme Court makes a decision.  ACLU is too busy with other projects, like defending the KKK.  The Enclave, and it's owners, are going down due to the weight and drain of legal fees and harrassment.  Their fight for all of us to have a legal and safe place to gather and enjoy what we do has drained them of all resources and they can't continue the fight.  It looks like the city will win.  Many here in Denver have contributed, but it's just not enough.
 
If you want to contribute to this fight, or read about it, please go to enclavewest dot com for more information.
 
Please... If there are any people out there who can help this fight, please do so.  This could impact BDSM clubs across the country.
 
Also, please feel free to contact me off MB if you want more information.  But, that website has everything there.  It is a beautiful club, and we just hate to see it go down to the courts, and to watch as our lifestyle and activities are once again stomped out by government authorities.


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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 1:59:13 PM   
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Other then making it a private club like the swingers have and like what you have stated above that is the only way i have ever known of anyone being able to stay in business as far as a club goes. It is a sad fact this is true and I would love to help out if I could. Our rights to have a safe place to gather and mingle is just as justified as anyone else. There are Gentlemans clubs as well as swingers clubs and night clubs. Sex happens in all of these and yet we do not tolerate this act in any place that I have ever been to. I can see the fire martials problem ( I love to set people on fire) But so be it. So this club has one more rule that every one will obay. The sad fact is is that the club probbly has more officals in it then non and they are the ones that wont speek up because they dont want to be outed.

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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 2:06:29 PM   
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The Enclave IS a private membership club.  But, BDSM doesn't have a place in the traditional zoning codes, so they have determined it falls under an "adult entertainment" license.  If they are able to stay open and operating after this new batch of legal fees, they intend to fight for an actual "BDSM" zoning classification.  But, for now, if they don't get some monetary help, the fight will be over.

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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 3:02:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MystressDream
The Enclave IS a private membership club.  But, BDSM doesn't have a place in the traditional zoning codes, so they have determined it falls under an "adult entertainment" license.  If they are able to stay open and operating after this new batch of legal fees, they intend to fight for an actual "BDSM" zoning classification.  But, for now, if they don't get some monetary help, the fight will be over.


Do you know if anyone around the country has been able to get legal recognition (zoning or other changes) that specifies BDSM?  If there's a precedent, it'd help the Enclave's case, I'd think.  Would the NCSF know?

EDIT:  Re the NCSF, even if they won't provide financial or legal support, can they put Enclave owners in touch with others in the country who may have successfully made changes to their local laws?

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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 3:07:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsSaskia

quote:

ORIGINAL: MystressDream
The Enclave IS a private membership club.  But, BDSM doesn't have a place in the traditional zoning codes, so they have determined it falls under an "adult entertainment" license.  If they are able to stay open and operating after this new batch of legal fees, they intend to fight for an actual "BDSM" zoning classification.  But, for now, if they don't get some monetary help, the fight will be over.


Do you know if anyone around the country has been able to get legal recognition (zoning or other changes) that specifies BDSM?  If there's a precedent, it'd help the Enclave's case, I'd think.  Would the NCSF know?


Our research hasn't found any anywhere in the country... and the attorney's haven't been able to locate any precedents either.  That is why this fight is so crucial.  NCSF hasn't been helpful in any way whatsoever.  All they say is they are watching it with interest, and MAY offer advice if the Supreme Court finds in favor of the Enclave and the owners can find attorneys to sue the city in a civil suit.

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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 3:19:38 PM   
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I'll agree on the importance of this issue. I'm not in a place to financially contribute but I'll suggest to others to do as I did...

Most BDSM groups have a list or mailing list that you can post events and notices to...go ahead and start a line of posts about this. Cross post them on your lists and reach out to your local community as well.

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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 3:20:59 PM   
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That really surprises me that NCSF is of no help, I am going to check with some friends who raise a lot of money for them.  I realize the case that could be made that this is a "business" and not strictly a sex issue but having play spaces is a subject near and dear to many of us.

SMOddessey in San Francisco (San Jose actually) does a LOT of education for law enforcement on bdsm and runs HUGE events.  There is also a playspace that they support called Edges.  They have some good information.

http://www.smodyssey.com/node/20


In San Francisco, there is a MAJOR sex club that advertises in the local papers and the owner is running for mayor.  www.powerexchange.com  Another one I don't have the web site for but a major producer of porno/website stuff bought a HUGE brick building in SF and uses it for all sorts of stuff.  Lastly there is http://www.sfcitadel.org/

I would check with APEX in Arizona as they run a large playspace and of course www.TES.org and see if they can provide any help.

Lair De Sade is a large venue in LA although I have only heard about them  http://www.lairdesade.com/

Someone posted about the WetSpot in Seattle, I would find them.




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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 3:24:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BringerOfTearsIn San Francisco, there is a MAJOR sex club that advertises in the local papers and the owner is running for mayor.  www.powerexchange.com  Another one I don't have the web site for but a major producer of porno/website stuff bought a HUGE brick building in SF and uses it for all sorts of stuff.  Lastly there is http://www.sfcitadel.org/


Mike ran for Mayor, he lost  but he didn't expect to win anyways.

quote:

Lair De Sade is a large venue in LA although I have only heard about them 


Kane runs it as a private membership club but he is a GREAT resource!

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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 3:30:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BringerOfTears

That really surprises me that NCSF is of no help, I am going to check with some friends who raise a lot of money for them.  I realize the case that could be made that this is a "business" and not strictly a sex issue but having play spaces is a subject near and dear to many of us.

SMOddessey in San Francisco (San Jose actually) does a LOT of education for law enforcement on bdsm and runs HUGE events.  There is also a playspace that they support called Edges.  They have some good information.

http://www.smodyssey.com/node/20


In San Francisco, there is a MAJOR sex club that advertises in the local papers and the owner is running for mayor.  www.powerexchange.com  Another one I don't have the web site for but a major producer of porno/website stuff bought a HUGE brick building in SF and uses it for all sorts of stuff.  Lastly there is http://www.sfcitadel.org/

I would check with APEX in Arizona as they run a large playspace and of course www.TES.org and see if they can provide any help.

Lair De Sade is a large venue in LA although I have only heard about them  http://www.lairdesade.com/

Someone posted about the WetSpot in Seattle, I would find them.






Some of us have tried writing letters and drumming up some support from the major clubs in the country... but, haven't gotten any response.  It appears it will take someone contacting them that they will actually listen to... from their area maybe? 
 
If the large clubs would just have one night, or one weekend as a fund raiser for the cause, it would be wonderful.  I just don't know how to go about getting any of them to do it.

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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 3:33:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

I'll agree on the importance of this issue. I'm not in a place to financially contribute but I'll suggest to others to do as I did...

Most BDSM groups have a list or mailing list that you can post events and notices to...go ahead and start a line of posts about this. Cross post them on your lists and reach out to your local community as well.



Thank you, BoiJen.... your efforts are greatly appreciated.  <smile>

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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 3:38:05 PM   
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You're welcome. I can't do much but I can pester the people I know who can :)

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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 3:40:15 PM   
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I wish you the best of luck on your fight  One of the problems is we are in an election year. No one wants to rock the vote. In the past a lot of clubs have brought drugs or have brought in things that have been harmful to the community.  When you see public things like Folsom did in front of ums and families that is a bit to far. With freedom of expression. comes freedom of responsibility. There is a right time and place for everything
this year might not be a good one for activist causes with ncsf or ACLU. Just an observation 

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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 3:42:07 PM   
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Several observations:
 
1.  The NCSF is closely monitoring this situation. 
 
2.  As of June, the club owners denied that financial considerations would prevent them from fully exercising their legal rights.   http://www.westword.com/2007-06-07/news/kink-in-the-system
 
3.  That is not to say that the club owners would not appreciate financial contributions on their behalf.  However, you can't just send them money in the mail.  Find out if they have a legal defense fund to which you can contribute.  If such a fund does not exist, then they're not asking for help. 
 
4.  So far the club owners have been successful at each stage of the legal process, and there's little reason to believe they will not succeed at the State Supreme Court as well.
 
5.  This could provide a landmark case in favor of clubs nationwide.  Though I do not believe state cases set legal precedent in other states, judges in other states would have the discretion of considering this case if they so choose.  I'm not an attorney, but I believe that's the case.
 
6.  Clubs in other states are being closed legally because of their failure to adhere to existing regulations (such as fire codes, electrical codes, building codes, etc) which are required of ALL business (ie: they are not being singled out).  Their closure can be blamed on no one but themselves.  The Enclave case is unique (as far as I'm aware) in the misapplication of Commerce City's own existing laws regarding sexually oriented businesses (ie: they're violating their own rules), and it is on that basis that the lawsuit had been filed and successfully adjudicated.
 
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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 3:49:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rover

Several observations:
 
1.  The NCSF is closely monitoring this situation. 
 
2.  As of June, the club owners denied that financial considerations would prevent them from fully exercising their legal rights.   http://www.westword.com/2007-06-07/news/kink-in-the-system
 
3.  That is not to say that the club owners would not appreciate financial contributions on their behalf.  However, you can't just send them money in the mail.  Find out if they have a legal defense fund to which you can contribute.  If such a fund does not exist, then they're not asking for help. 
 
4.  So far the club owners have been successful at each stage of the legal process, and there's little reason to believe they will not succeed at the State Supreme Court as well.
 
5.  This could provide a landmark case in favor of clubs nationwide.  Though I do not believe state cases set legal precedent in other states, judges in other states would have the discretion of considering this case if they so choose.  I'm not an attorney, but I believe that's the case.
 
6.  Clubs in other states are being closed legally because of their failure to adhere to existing regulations (such as fire codes, electrical codes, building codes, etc) which are required of ALL business (ie: they are not being singled out).  Their closure can be blamed on no one but themselves.  The Enclave case is unique (as far as I'm aware) in the misapplication of Commerce City's own existing laws regarding sexually oriented businesses (ie: they're violating their own rules), and it is on that basis that the lawsuit had been filed and successfully adjudicated.
 
John


Yes... the NCSF is "closely monitoring"... but, doing nothing to help.
 
When the Westword article was written, the financial situation wasn't as bad.  The female part of the ownership has suffered tremendous medical problems and expenses, and they just don't have the funds to fight this on their own anymore.
 
We have had a club closed here in Denver also.  The Labyrinth.  Believe me, when a city sets out to close a club of this nature, they ALWAYS look for some kind of zoning or code issue to use to close it so they don't have to face the real reason.  The Enclave has adhered to every single code on the books, and that is why the city has not been able to use a code violation to shut them down.
 
There is a donation option on their website for donations to the legal defense.  Any help would be appreciated.

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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 3:50:36 PM   
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I wish you the best of luck on your fight  One of the problems is we are in an election year. No one wants to rock the vote. In the past a lot of clubs have brought drugs or have brought in things that have been harmful to the community.  When you see public things like Folsom did in front of ums and families that is a bit to far. With freedom of expression. comes freedom of responsibility. There is a right time and place for everything
this year might not be a good one for activist causes with ncsf or ACLU. Just an observation 

Prior to this post, I want to apologize in advance to MystressDream, I do not know the particulars about this fight and I'm not sure (based on my kink factor and enjoyment of it) that I'd want my local dungeon to be part of the local "chamber of commence" I really hope that it all turns out positive.  Now with that said:
Latex,

There is no way that I am going to sit back and let you post this and slam clubs RE: drugs etc!  The first leather bar was a public licensed bar in Chicago!  There are several nightclubs, bars, clubs, etc that sell alcohol that are good standing citizens.  You're comments about Folsom is crap, do you realize how much money they donate to great causes in San Francisco?  As well as how many local leather groups get active with the Folsom Street Fair?  Are you the authority on what is harmful for the community?

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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 3:54:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkDaddyZ

Prior to this post, I want to apologize in advance to MystressDream, I do not know the particulars about this fight and I'm not sure (based on my kink factor and enjoyment of it) that I'd want my local dungeon to be part of the local "chamber of commence" I really hope that it all turns out positive. 

Please clarify?  How would your local club helping in this fight make you part of a "chamber of commerce"?   I don't understand what you are saying here.

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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 4:00:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkDaddyZ

Prior to this post, I want to apologize in advance to MystressDream, I do not know the particulars about this fight and I'm not sure (based on my kink factor and enjoyment of it) that I'd want my local dungeon to be part of the local "chamber of commence" I really hope that it all turns out positive.

Please clarify?  How would your local club helping in this fight make you part of a "chamber of commerce"?   I don't understand what you are saying here.


That was me being humorous (or attempting to be).

I go back and forth about if I believe BDSM play spaces should be a place that is a private membership place or a place that gets a lot of (unwanted) attention.  I think sometime it scares the masses or good people out of the scene because they don't want to get "outed" like what happened in the San Francisco Bay Area (South Bay) in Gilroy with the swinger's club "The Forum" when neighbors started taking pictures of the license plates of the cars at the club and posting them on the net.  Or the crap that Black Rose got back in 2001/2002 where they (and now BlackBeat and several others) don't even disclose the location of their events because of the unwanted attention.

Still, I also admirer those who want to see a BDSM business respected much like another business.  I believe if strip clubs are permitted, that BDSM clubs should have the same type of laws apply to them as the strip clubs too.  BDSM is a lifestyle to many of us but it is still a sexual aspect too.

I hope I explained myself.

Z-

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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 4:02:26 PM   
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When the Westword article was written, the financial situation wasn't as bad.  The female part of the ownership has suffered tremendous medical problems and expenses, and they just don't have the funds to fight this on their own anymore.

 
Sorry to hear that they've encountered medical and financial problems. 

 
quote:


We have had a club closed here in Denver also.  The Labyrinth.  Believe me, when a city sets out to close a club of this nature, they ALWAYS look for some kind of zoning or code issue to use to close it so they don't have to face the real reason.  The Enclave has adhered to every single code on the books, and that is why the city has not been able to use a code violation to shut them down.

 
I think you missed the point about those clubs that have been rightfully closed due to code violations.  If they were legal, like the Enclave, they too would have had successful outcomes in court.  Many businesses are closed for code violations, not just kinky ones.

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There is a donation option on their website for donations to the legal defense.  Any help would be appreciated.


Kewl beans.  Can you post a link so folks can donate?
 
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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 4:04:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkDaddyZ

quote:

ORIGINAL: MystressDream

ORIGINAL: DarkDaddyZ

Prior to this post, I want to apologize in advance to MystressDream, I do not know the particulars about this fight and I'm not sure (based on my kink factor and enjoyment of it) that I'd want my local dungeon to be part of the local "chamber of commence" I really hope that it all turns out positive.

Please clarify?  How would your local club helping in this fight make you part of a "chamber of commerce"?   I don't understand what you are saying here.


That was me being humorous (or attempting to be).

I go back and forth about if I believe BDSM play spaces should be a place that is a private membership place or a place that gets a lot of (unwanted) attention.  I think sometime it scares the masses or good people out of the scene because they don't want to get "outed" like what happened in the San Francisco Bay Area (South Bay) in Gilroy with the swinger's club "The Forum" when neighbors started taking pictures of the license plates of the cars at the club and posting them on the net.  Or the crap that Black Rose got back in 2001/2002 where they (and now BlackBeat and several others) don't even disclose the location of their events because of the unwanted attention.

Still, I also admirer those who want to see a BDSM business respected much like another business.  I believe if strip clubs are permitted, that BDSM clubs should have the same type of laws apply to them as the strip clubs too.  BDSM is a lifestyle to many of us but it is still a sexual aspect too.

I hope I explained myself.

Z-


Yes, you did, and thank you.  Please keep in mind that this club IS a strictly enforced private membership only club.  Not open to the general public.  It is also located in an industrial park with no other businesses even open when the club is open.... far away from any residential zoned areas.  Again, thank you for any support you can give us.

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RE: BDSM Crisis in Denver - 11/14/2007 4:09:54 PM   
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We have had a club closed here in Denver also.  The Labyrinth.  Believe me, when a city sets out to close a club of this nature, they ALWAYS look for some kind of zoning or code issue to use to close it so they don't have to face the real reason.  The Enclave has adhered to every single code on the books, and that is why the city has not been able to use a code violation to shut them down.
 
There is a donation option on their website for donations to the legal defense.  Any help would be appreciated.


The Denver Sanctuary has been in business as a leather/BDSM lifestyle club for awhile now, and the Harbour for several years before them.  The City and County of Denver is aware of their presence and has had a hands-off relationship with the club so far, despite one person repeatedly making anonymous complaints.  Denver and Commerce City are very different, but it's definitely an enforcement choice made by respective city authorities, subject to change without notice.  There'd be a lot more assurance of legal protection if there were more legal precedent around the country, but when you get a prosecutor with a bug up their bum, as is happening in Commerce City, and they want to keep prosecuting minutae with the intent of bleeding a business dry, they'll do that.   Contributing to the legal defense fund will help the Enclave set a legal precedent.  

Are there more fundraisers coming up?


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