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wishing to learn more - 11/19/2007 4:55:59 PM   
feralkyttin


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Status: offline 		Can anyone provide me with more information about Gorean lifestyles both real and imaginary?  I'm having a difficult time understanding the difference between the two and I'm rather intolerable as a slave, evidently.  If anyone out there can put up with me long enough to steer me in the right direction, please do.

With the Utmost Respect,
              meesha / feral kyttin
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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/19/2007 4:59:17 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		Top right hand corner of this page has a feature called "search". Try typing in "What is Gor" or "What is Gorean", and read some of the archives. You are likely only intolerable because someone has allowed you to be intolerable.

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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/19/2007 5:02:23 PM   
feralkyttin


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Status: offline 		    Thank you for your help.  I already possess a great deal of knowledge about Gorean culture in general.  I think I need to read the books before proceeding further, but I seem to enjoy the harshness, company, and wisdom of the Goreans who DO choose to tolerate me long enough to teach me.  I want to be able to do so without appearing stupid, unprepared, uncontrollable and a great many other things.  I appreciate the feedback and the hasty response.


Warm Regards,
         meesha / feral kyttin

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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/19/2007 11:47:51 PM   
FrankAr


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Status: offline 		Greetings meesha,

My road of thought for your travels would to do this.  Take the knowledge of what you may know about Gor from your online studying and place it aside for a while.  Get the books from ebay, amazon and small little book shops around, and read them.  Try to read them in order if you can, but if you do not possess the novels from 1-26 then just read what you get, bit by bit.  After reading the few novels that you get, then re-read them, and re-read them.  While doing the reading and gaining some beneficial knowledge from them, it would be worthwhile then to go along another road.

This road is to then, with a few books under your belt to write and converse with a few men from the boards, Orion, Bull, Malkinius, Leonardis....if you can get him off the damn boat...Ron the Hupster, Luther 6.  These men then will let you learn more about how they live by the philos of the books, the ethos, how they breathe it through their daily trudgings in life and how they can hold their head high and say that they are Gorean without flinching.  Through those conversations and knowledge gained from them, your travelling through Gor would be beneficial and the information gained would be very valuable.

Be well.

Frank Ar.


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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/20/2007 12:04:42 AM   
feralkyttin


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Status: offline 		   Thank you for your thoughtful and helpful response, Master.  It is not surprising that I have seen those names before.  Master Malkinius actually is one of the few Goreans who I met in a chat room, before I knew what I was doing, who helped me to understand myself and why I didn't walk away from a "force" collar.  When I say it was forced, I do not imply that I couldn't have walked away from it.  I just wanted to honor my word and deal with the consequences of my actions.  I did that.  I was released.  I was lucky.  How can I keep being all those things?

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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/20/2007 3:15:22 AM   
kisshou


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Status: offline 		greetings feralkyttin,

there is a big difference in wanting to learn what Gor is about and the philosohpies or in wanting to learn how to serve as a slave. Once a girl gets bitten by the kajira bug she can become fairly consumed with wanting to serve the Free , be around them and have them recognize her slave heart.

I think if a girl is sincere in wanting to serve and is polite in her dealings with the Free this will happen. It does take time though and one bratty or selfish outburst can set you back quite a while.

There are many wonderful Free people on these forums and I don't know of any who object to being sent a note. You could humbly ask for their help in guidance in expressing your slave nature while you are not as yet owned. Also all of use girls on the slaves support thread have gone through this at one time or another and we are always more than happy to share ideas and suggestions.

I hope you can experience the overwhelming joy of serving the Free soon.

well wishes
kisshou

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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/20/2007 3:41:14 AM   
barelynangel


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Status: offline 		Greetings,

If you want to learn about Gorean slavery my personal recommendation is don't attempt to learn it online -- you can't no matter how many people believe they can.  If you want to learn about what it means to be a Goreans slave then become one and exist and be kept as one and you will find yourself fully understanding it.  if you make excuses why you cannot do so offline, then you really either are not ready or do not want to actually understand what Gorean slavery is you want the safety of keeping your autonomy and freedom while mimicing something you will never understand until both of those are stripped from you.  Until you actually are held in slavery and have your autonomy taken you won't learn what being an actual slave is you will only be guessing at what it is. 

If you want to learn about Gor and how it applies to your actual life, then also get off of online and read the books and utilize online to discuss what you are learning about yourself, about Men, about women, their interaction, and also about humanity nit playact it. 

The reason i say this is quite simple, online has so many different ideas and many people have never lived what they want to discuss, therefore, you get many opinions that don't connect with the reality of either being and living as Gorean or even as a slave.  Being a Goreans slave doesn't encompass 291032901491049310239014971028638918.8 concept of opinions of nicknames online, being a Goreans slave is a very consentrated concept that exists because of how a Man holds you in slavery, if he is a Gorean Man -- your slavery will create certain mindsets that you really cannot study to learn you have to experience within the concept of repetition to learn. 

Many people don't agree with me, they advocate trying to learn Gorean slavery online and what it means to an individual as a person and its a concept to be studied, its really not -- its a concept that is experienced to learn what it means to an individual.   Anyone can learn protocols or how to type pretty, it takes a Man to show a woman the true meaning of being an actual slave.

Good luck,

angel

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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/20/2007 8:25:21 AM   
Zarius


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Status: offline 		To truly (IMJ) learn about gor, one must read the books, come to these boards, and read what others write in topics, then re-read the books, and again ask questions of others.

Of course your reality may vary, depending on blood alcohol levels.... *LOL*

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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/20/2007 4:09:58 PM   
feralkyttin


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Status: offline 		    Greetings kishou,
       Thanks for your reply.  It turns out I already knew far more than what I was allowing myself to see.  I thank you for you kind words and want you to know I already know the joy of serving the free.    I think I've just been bitten by the kajira bug, though.  I'm going to back off a while and figure me out before I go trying to figure anyone else out, for now.
               Respecfully,
                    Meesha
                            
                             Forget the freak.... You're just nature

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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/20/2007 4:14:08 PM   
feralkyttin


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Status: offline 		    Wow. That was valuable.  It went along with  many of my own suspicions.  I'm still going to back away for a moment while I let certain truths sink in, but thank you.  Those who are real seem to be alot more realistic and forgiving, so long as the heart is here. 

I mean.... oh dear


oops.... talking too much again



*dashes off while she's still free to do so*


Just because I'm not a kajira, please don't turn me away.  At least consider my honesty and bravery, as I would NOT have admitted to being interested in Gorean customs and philosophies until recently.  Why?  All these chat rooms give it a bad name.  They demand that protocol be adhered to, assume just because a girl is interested and tries hard that she CAN and DOES know the words in the book.  They expect everyone to be either a Master or a kajira.  I've been having some trouble in one of the rooms lately, but don't ask, as I'm not here to gossip.  Only to learn....and....This is a wonderful response.  I appreciate it, although I'm scared because I just can't go away and stop .... Perhaps I will return.   Damned feline curiosity!!!!  Does anyone offer any suggestions on learning self control BEFORE trying to give it to another?


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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/20/2007 5:06:14 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		you are already knowledgeble about Gorean culture, and you know far more than what you were allowing yourself to see--these are your accounts.

Yet you've yet to open a single book about Gor, and apparently some people question you.

I can't imagine why.

Best of luck.



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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/20/2007 5:43:35 PM   
sakidorei


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Status: offline 		Great ... i had a whole post typed out to you feralkyttin and my computer ate it ... granted it was lengthy ... i guess my Master would say it's the PK's trying to tell me that i was too wordy ... ~laughs~ so i'll try again and maybe get out the shorter version.
 
i had the occassion to watch you last night in a chatroom so i thought i would bite the bullet and attempt to offer you a few words here ... take them as you will ... or won't. 
 
You are choosing to learn Gor in a virtual environment and due to the limitations of this venue, YOU are ultimately the only person who can curtail or modify your behavior.  YOU have to decide if being found pleasing is important enough for you to work at containing yourself and modifying your behavior to met the room or Gorean standard.  It is impossible for ANYONE in a chat or online environment to control you unless you WANT to be control and CHOOSE to comply with their instructions.  They can't reach out and cage you, whip you, cuff you, or chain you.  They can not tangibly touch you at all so it's ALL about self motivation and drive to succeed verses fail.
 
On Gor a barbarian slave (a slave brought to Gor from earth) learned obedience and compliance QUICKLY because she learned the whip, the cage ... the miserable existance that awaited her if she was NOT found pleasing.  She learned to adapt and work at being found pleasing with her whole being or simply put ... suffer.  Here in an virtual format, YOU are the only true motivator you have and eiter you are driven to succeed or you aren't.  It's simply too easy to slough people off ... to blow off correction ... to ignore what you don't like.  Self motivation is the only choice and is entirely up to you. 
 
Every day we make decisions about our behavior based on societal constraints verses what we -feel- like doing.  You have to decide to make those same choices if you want to interact in a Gorean environment.  You have to apply the constraints and Gorean expectations (protocols & room rules) to your behavior if you want to be successful in that environment.  The alternative is that you won't be welcome in those environments. 
 
It's one thing to be expected to learn simple basics like obedience to a command or directive and another to be brand new and expected to know every transportation animal on Gor and which culture used it.  If you are unable to constrain yourself with even the basics of behavior-->correction--> change of behavior,  then you are obviously NOT motivated to interact within that environment.
 
Slaves on Gor weren't allowed to explain or given a warm, cushy hand holding period of learning.  A new slave was commonly taken home and whipped immediately to set a precedent regarding expectation and ensuing discipline.  No one can whip you in a virtual environment.  Slaves were not entitled to a voice or an excuse ... they had one choice - obey or not.  Obey and possibly be found pleasing ... don't obey and suffer the consequences. 
 
A Gorean slavery is a harsh and demanding one ... in fact, the more a slave is loved, often the more demanding her slavery becomes.  You have to give up the notion that you DESERVE slack because you are new.  You don't deserve anything on Gor that your behavior hasn't bought you and frankly ... even then it's up to the FREE to decide what you have earned.  As long as you feel entitled to leeway ... you won't -get- Gor. 
 
Correction on Gor isn't aimed at making you more thick skinned and impervious to other's displeasure ... it's meant to make you more and more sensitive ... not less.  The idea is that you become very sensitive to being found displeasing in any way and thus motivated to work harder and change and work harder and change in order to become pleasing.  The way you demonstrate that process of desire and motivation in a virtual environment is by your obedience and compliance to correction, rules, and protocol.  If you constantly wish to be given exception status ... you aren't demonstrating that you are motivated and that you WANT to be found pleasing.  Either you WANT it ... or you don't.  Period.  If you do -change, if you don't ... again, you won't. 
 
One does not HAVE to understand every nuance in a society or environment in order to follow specific instructions.  A Gorean slave isn't entitled to withhold obedience until she understands ... she simply DOES. The only answer you really need to know in a Gorean environment to a question of why is - because it pleases a Free, period.  That's all that you have to be concerned about it.  If you want more answers than that ... read the books ... not the websites ... the BOOKS.  If you can't read them all ... i at least recommend reading the -slave girl- books - Captive of Gor, Slave Girl of Gor, Kajira of Gor, Dancer of Gor, and Witness of Gor.  They are all written from the perspective of a slave girl and might be most helpful in your understanding of a slave's lot. 
 
It's all up to you really.  You want it ... you work for it ... you don't want it ... you continue to ask little questions ... you continue to resist ... and you never get there.  And people stop listening or really caring ... they have more important things to do with their time.  You want a new pair of Jimmy Choos, you work to earn the money to buy them ... you want Gor ... you work your butt off to -find- Gor.  Show respect for what you say you want by your actions and compliance ... not by questioning everything and ignoring the correction Free take their time to give you.  You want acceptance and success on Gor ... it's up to you to earn it.  No one is going to just give it to you.
 
saki
Property of Master D.

*edited to add ... this is all assuming that you intend to continue trying to learn Gor online.  i agree with barelynangel ... ultimately ... anything less than living it real time is a cheap immitation.  i choose to address my post to online because i assume real time Gorean slavery isn't available to you at the moment and i saw you in a chatroom.

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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/20/2007 7:52:49 PM   
kieraB


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ORIGINAL: feralkyttin

    I'm going to back off a while and figure me out before I go trying to figure anyone else out, for now.




figuring yourself out first is probably one of the most important steps.  how can you give youself to someone without knowing what you are looking for and what you are capable of.  it took me a year and a half of research into what a submissive and a slave was to realize that i could be a slave.  Master knew it right away.  you cant dive into the deep end of anything without learning to swim.

kiera



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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/20/2007 8:32:50 PM   
xBullx


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To no one in particular unless it hits you just right, then well, it is what it is.

I'm not sure how to say this, but.......................wrong. As to the post below. Not completely mind you, but none the less you missed.girls, stop tutoring first in the BDSM world and then showing up over here handing out advise that fits in one place, but so much in another.

First off folks, it's the Gorean free that need to study the books and discover the hidden treasures within. Hell somedays I wonder if Morman is really that smart or just lucky. I'm not always sure if he concocted the teqachings in the books or if he discovered them elsewhere and formed them into the actions of the characters within the pages. But none the less it is for the free to discover freedom, fortitude, honor and all the rest of the tidbits of infothat could help a man be a better S.O.B.

It is a slaves duty to serve, it is her duty to be obedient, it is her duty to be exactly what each individual man(master) tells her to be. Exactly how he tells her. Now it might be part of hischoice to have you read the books, but I don't want a slut reading them on her own. I don't even want her reading them all if any. I know what Gor is and she will adhere to my idea of what Gor is. Half the problem are these know it all sluts that have no brand of true accountability from behind a keyboard and pretend that they know how to advise someone of being something that are nearly clueless about. It's easy to spot a girl held under steel, its also easy to discover the girl that has romantic notions and never to be discovered dreams. What a safe world Cyberville is.

"Discover yourself" the girl below typed. Swimming she mentioned. As if that was some magical process of self learning. We are born from a pool, we swam before we could breath air. You will die woithout air. Will you die if you don't swim? We're born and then unlearn the swimming process, a few are thrown back in the water and survive, most go to the pool and before they even get a toe wet they meet, yes you guessed it, an instructor. Someone that knows and understands the art of swimming(perhaps this might be a master, it might suck to be taught by a rock). Now go back and replace swimming with slavery. You are born as a female with the insticts to immediately survive with your submission, if you are good at it, you get fucked, eventually...

Why do you think babies are cute? We'd eat them if they looked tastey, and we'd toss them if they were ugly. Look at the work they create.

If any of you supposed sluts want to really discover your slavery stop yiping about it and contact me, between myself and a few good men I know, your slavery will be close at hand. Otherwise you are again interupting my nap. Shut the fuck up. If this public service announcement scared you in any way, it was most likely addressed to you. If it annoyed you, again, addressed to you. If it made you wet, again, you know the deal. All the rest can just put me on block or kiss my ass.

Gotta love me,

Bull



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ORIGINAL: kieraB
figuring yourself out first is probably one of the most important steps.  how can you give youself to someone without knowing what you are looking for and what you are capable of.  it took me a year and a half of research into what a submissive and a slave was to realize that i could be a slave.  Master knew it right away.  you cant dive into the deep end of anything without learning to swim.


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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/20/2007 8:43:20 PM   
amelliagrace


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ORIGINAL: xBullx

All the rest can just put me on block or kiss my ass.

Gotta love me,

Bull


If I must choose one or the other, then I'd like to see a picture of your ass before making up my mind.
 
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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/20/2007 8:56:41 PM   
Aswad


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Status: offline 		Tal Bull,

quote:

Hell somedays I wonder if Norman is really that smart or just lucky.


A bit of both, I would think, and a fair dose of "right place at the right time."

(Going by what I've read, quotes I've seen, and elaboration by others.)

quote:

I'm not always sure if he concocted the teachings in the books or if he discovered them elsewhere and formed them into the actions of the characters within the pages.


It's rather clearly demonstrated that he did take a bit from here and there, and that the cultures in the books have clear parallels from Earth history. But standing on the shoulders of giants doesn't make a man any less tall, just a bit wiser than many for choosing to fight his battles from higher ground. Not every wheel needs to be reinvented.

quote:

Why do you think babies are cute? We'd eat them if they looked tastey, and we'd toss them if they were ugly. Look at the work they create.


Perhaps it's just me, but I think most of 'em lean more toward the tasty than the cute.

Health,
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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/20/2007 9:13:48 PM   
Maahsatti


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Status: offline 		Howdy Ty,

Wow, tell us how you really feel now!!...lol
I continue to add up the reasons I likes ya so much FM...*winks*

Take care,
Babs

PS...I just about spit my pop out at the screen at Grace's reply.
In the words of Larry the Cable Guy
" I dont care who ya are, that there was funny"

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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/20/2007 9:18:47 PM   
kieraB


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Status: offline 		Master Bull       please forgive me for giving misplaced advice.

kiera

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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/20/2007 9:22:09 PM   
Aswad


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RE: wishing to learn more - 11/20/2007 9:37:45 PM   
smilezz


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It is a slaves duty to serve, it is her duty to be obedient, it is her duty to be exactly what each individual man(master) tells her to be. Exactly how he tells her. Now it might be part of hischoice to have you read the books, but I don't want a slut reading them on her own. I don't even want her reading them all if any. I know what Gor is and she will adhere to my idea of what Gor is.

*blinks* whooaaaaa....

Evening Sir....you have just opened up a whole new can of worms for me to think about. Read the books? Not read the books? I have to say that you are the first person i have ever encountered that has said this. Even if it is indeed your own way of thinking/choice, i believe i have some things to ponder.

Enjoy your evening,

~smilezz~

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