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RE: The Gorean Experiment - 12/23/2007 10:23:38 PM

PronePalabras

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i am honored to take part in this conversation for one and awed as it seems even people who disagree here do it in a far more civil manner than i am occustomed to anywhere else
Aswad, Maahsatti. both of you have a good nite ...im going to go wander to other threads

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RE: The Gorean Experiment - 12/23/2007 10:33:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: Maahsatti

I am not inclined to cram my beliefs down peoples throats.

You misunderstand... I am gaping and making squeaky sounds while flapping my wings.

Either way, though, fair enough.

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RE: The Gorean Experiment - 12/24/2007 12:16:16 AM

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Maah is correct in that some NDE accounts have had information in them, that the person should not have. This has been from as minor as seeing what other medical personel are doing in an adjacent room, behind closed doors, to knowing who is the the waiting room. Many of the accounts mirror accounts of other type of out of body experiences, such as Astral Projection and remote seeing. Many scoff at these things, but if you research them you will find some of the same facts, where people "see" things very distant to them, that logically they should not see. Many intelligence agencies around the world have funded and have/had departments of remote seers, with test that have shown they have some type of intuitive talent. Now with all of this said, it is very likely that with NDE, that some patients actually have the area of the brain triggered that is the same with instances of remote viewing or projection. It is very difficult to scientifically record or test this. Things should not be discounted, just because science cannot record it though, it may be that science has just not caught up enough to do so. At one time there was not enough science to prove the Earth was round, but some believed that.

I would also mention that the "visions" from NDE can also be just hallucinations, created by the subconscious mind, in a similar fashion to dreams. So we could have two different types of phenomina occuring during NDE. This will add to the inability to confirm one way or the other. In the end though, it comes down to belief. It may not be something that can be proven, but to those it occurs to, it is fact. Kind of like trying to prove love to someone that has never felt it.

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RE: The Gorean Experiment - 12/24/2007 12:39:42 AM

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Hi Orion,

You and Aswad bring up some very good points, but one more thing I would like to bring up, are the documented experiences of very young Ums, they have had NDE's and have come back to tell of Heavenly occurances and people, that they did not know and of religious figure heads they were never taught.
Just another example of why I believe what I do.

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RE: The Gorean Experiment - 12/24/2007 12:26:55 PM

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Babs,

I suppose having full disclosure of such a scenerio could be a good arguement. I would discount any of them that had a connection to the place where the conversation took place or the item was lost though. Many of us have ephanies while in an unconcious state or dreaming about some detail our concious mind has overlooked. Finding aunt maggies diamond broach in a vent may just mean the mind finally realized with the sparkle was when you were cleaning up after her death to sell the place. Now take a 14 year old and wack him then revive him an hour later. If he wakes up with knowledge of where the Mary of Magdela gave birth to Jesus' child, or even where she is, Hell I would take Hoffa's location, That would be proof, everything else so far has just been faith though.

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RE: The Gorean Experiment - 12/24/2007 12:36:17 PM

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Orion,
In many of the NDE where they see who is in the waiting room they see who the mind assumes would be there I would wager that as many if not more of this type of out of body experience are in accurate as are correct. Same goes for if they invisioned the location of the other people in the same car wreck.

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RE: The Gorean Experiment - 12/24/2007 3:21:01 PM

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Tal Torvald,

Any comments on remote viewing? Both the US and Russia use it, though both say the programs are no longer being used. There are other things that may support NDE, as an enhanced state of perception, but I don't have the time to go back to that research, as I am struggling with some latin translations that were translations from another language and not done well.

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Orion

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RE: The Gorean Experiment - 12/24/2007 3:23:29 PM

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Greetings PronePalabras,

Thank you and Happy Holidays to you too.

Take care,
Maahsatti

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RE: The Gorean Experiment - 12/25/2007 10:12:26 PM

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Orion,

I don't have any examples of remote viewing to develop an opinion of. I do believe that the power of the mind is beyond our ability to tap into it intentionally. I believe that autism is representative of what a mind can do when you declutter it, and I think our minds resolve their most difficult decissions when we sleep which originated the term sleep on it. There is a certain area of claravoiance (Spelling Hack Job?) that is all about reading people. that I am familiar with as a scam.

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