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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/15/2007 2:55:18 PM   
BitaTruble


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ORIGINAL: MasterEros

There are principles to live by as an Indian Man and I am posting them, {see below} here to help the men here to understand my primary perspective from which I view that comes from the core the Indian way which has been around way before John Norman authored his writings on Gor.

SEVEN PHILOSOPHIES FOR A NATIVE AMERICAN MAN
 

© 1996 by White Bison Inc.

Just to give credit where it's due.

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/15/2007 3:57:02 PM   
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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/15/2007 4:12:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not a problem, MusicMystery. I happen to be studying my own Native American background and had read that article just a few days ago and remembered it. I posted the copy info for the site interests. I'm not Apache, but I'm sure they are much like the Chickasaw in that the words of an elder are not thought to be 'owned' per se, but are spoken with the intent they should be passed along to the next generation. I doubt it would have even crossed Ero's mind that it would be a violation of the TOS to post the piece without giving credit to the author.

Neither am I Gorean, so I leave you all to your board and will go back to lurking unless I have another question. :)

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/15/2007 6:56:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings Celeste:
 
Thank you for your correction regarding the credit due to the words that were part of my post which included the following:
 
SEVEN PHILOSOPHIES FOR A NATIVE AMERICAN MAN, © 1996 by White Bison Inc.
 
I meant  no harm as it was an innocent omission. Let it be publically known I give total credit to © 1996 by White Bison Inc.  I claim zero credit.  I also understand the OralTradition of our Apache Elders and how the words are passed to the next generation. I will not say anymore here in public regarding this as to do so would bring dishonor to my people, which I refuse to do.
 
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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/15/2007 7:20:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Terrah Greetings,
You just said a mouthful, as to the creating of a Gorean comunity.  I have had plans for one in Maine for years now, and cannot find the financial backing to get it off the ground.
I have a plot of Land 235 acres with a river running through a portion of it, that would make a great communitybut then it's cold there quite a few months a year  cannot see living in wagons, ~winks~ but the idea has been with me for a long time. and the simplicity you speak of is just the thing to get is going, and well operated
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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/18/2007 9:14:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tal Aegan,

Thank you, I have always believed if one kept it simple things work themselves out. It is after all is said and done about community and the ability to get along well and see the other side of the coin. I do not think people do it enough.

As for your land, sell it, move down here where it's nearly always warm :)  I am sure you could find a good piece of property around here for what you would get for your land there. I don't know what the prices are per ac where you live, but here it's like $2500 an ac. That's ballpark  you understand, in fact we just talked to our neighbor across the road who has 50 ac he'd sell for $200,000. But then he would probably take less than that if offered cash Who knows? I'd even lend a horse or two for when ya wanted to ride, and adjoining land across the road to ride them on. Ahhh, but it's nice to think about anyhow.

I wish you well,

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/22/2007 2:12:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aegan

Terrah Greetings,
You just said a mouthful, as to the creating of a Gorean comunity.  I have had plans for one in Maine for years now, and cannot find the financial backing to get it off the ground.
I have a plot of Land 235 acres with a river running through a portion of it, that would make a great communitybut then it's cold there quite a few months a year  cannot see living in wagons, ~winks~ but the idea has been with me for a long time. and the simplicity you speak of is just the thing to get is going, and well operated
Here here to you.
Aegan


Whilst the idea of a Gorean community  might well well fall foul of the surrounding population... the thought occured that perhaps a Gorean flavour "dude ranch" could slip under the radar.
Our homestones are a long way from the rock that were carved and we all have made sacrifices to local custom in order to blend in better with the natives. A place where a little taste of home could be found for a few weeks appeals to me as a worthy idea.

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/28/2007 11:59:39 AM   
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I've often thought of what it would be like to buy a hunk of land out in the boonies, build a small town complete with movie theater, gas station, library, grocery store, police station, medical clinic, etc. and several neighborhoods of houses.  Then rent out the houses to Goreans desiring to live publicly as Goreans and work in the shops of the town.  slavegirls could be publicly taken around town on their leashes in such a place.  Weather permitting they could be outside on the sidewalks nude.

Then I wonder how non-Goreans could be kept out of such a town.  Because it would only take one report on CNN for the sleaze to come wandering in to gawk and make our lives uncomfortable and start trying to order around and use our slaves without our permission.

In the end it would have to be like a nudist colony; entrance by members only. 

As for disputes and what not, the laws of whatever country the place is in would have to be abided by.  Thus unless it was in a Muslim country or India (the only places I believe where slavery is still legal and correct me if I'm wrong) the women could not be killed or maimed by their Masters though they could be traded or loaned out.  

This would not be a purely Gorean location then of course.  But that brings up the serious issue that ALWAYS comes up in these types of discussions.

We don't atually want to live in the type of Gorean society depicted in the books. 

Don't believe me?  Then ask yourself this; would you really wish to live in a community where a woman could be legally killed by her man?  Or how about this; would you want to live in a place where a man could legally take your woman against her and your will simply because he is stronger that you?

By no means would I want to live in such a place.  Nor would most men and women.  So whatever location we would build would have to be an "early-flavored" version of Gor. It would be located in some existing country so the legal owner of the property would be the Ubar when it came right down to it whether disputes would be handled by an "allthing" or by a judicial system.

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/28/2007 12:49:22 PM   
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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/28/2007 2:30:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AtlantisKing111

In the end it would have to be like a nudist colony; entrance by members only.


Either that, or you can just say "fuck the slaves, that's not what I'm here for."

I'm just saying...

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As for disputes and what not, the laws of whatever country the place is in would have to be abided by.


Really, it's not particularly difficult to stay within the bounds of law...

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We don't atually want to live in the type of Gorean society depicted in the books.


Probably not... I'd prefer more freedom, more realism, and more sustainability.

Oh, and I'd prefer to keep the bugs away.

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Then ask yourself this; would you really wish to live in a community where a woman could be legally killed by her man?


Seriously, that isn't a big deal. If he makes a habit of it, he'll find himself challenged by another member of the community, or simply put down. That's the difference between weak men banding together and strong men and women banding together. The former gives you Middle-East style problems in this department. The latter does not have the same problem to the same extent. And, really, I think a lot of the women here can shoot well enough.

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Or how about this; would you want to live in a place where a man could legally take your woman against her and your will simply because he is stronger that you?


Again, in the books, a chastity device is respected. People know that fucking with property owned by someone else is going to have consequences. And a city Home Stone tends to have laws associated with it, some of which will generally deal with the rights of Free citizens. And, of course, a couple of shells worth of #00 quickly puts an end to slave-poaching by outlaws and the like. Even if you don't use guns, it doesn't really matter who is stronger or not. Any idiot who has ever been in or around combat knows that any time you enter into it, you may well be the one bleeding to death on the ground after it's finished. If pussy is worth dying for, I'd say you have a bad addiction.

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By no means would I want to live in such a place.


My main objection is simply this: it'd be unlikely that I'd find a place with people of like mind.

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Nor would most men and women.


No shit. But most men and women aren't Gorean. And, really, why are you even raising the topic of slaves in this context? Why should such a debate be hung up on whether Mercedes are allowed, or only BMWs? What about washing your car? Can we do that on Sundays? Mondays? Evenings? Will we have to use Atlantis-approved wax only?

C'mon... there are far more important sides to such a question.

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/29/2007 4:38:04 PM   
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I suspect a real time Gorean Community will materialize the same day that there is widespread consensus within these very same boards as to what the word "Gorean" means.

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/30/2007 8:32:18 AM   
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I do not see much hope of a large Gorean community ever coming to a realization, as we cannot even maintain our own community standards here in our on line community. Some will ask, well how do you enforce things on line? You ostracize those that rebel against the community standards until those individuals decide they wish to be a part of the community. Collarme does not allow blacklist, or an organized effort to do something toward anyone, but just like we all do with trolls, if you just stop responding to them, the effect is the same.

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/30/2007 8:56:16 AM   
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i think that widespread consensus as to what it is to be a Gorean is unlikely to happen. Most treads that have discussed that have ended up whit few points all can agree on. my Master do and say many things many more Traditional Goreans disagree whit and i see much disagreement on the forum about just what it is to be a Gorean.

i also think it may not be good if all agreed on this either. i think dogma is seldom good. Then one just go from one rigid regime of how to think (The standard Western one) to another rigid regime of how to think (The Gorean one). As long as there is not a hard consensus each is free to find his or her own path in the lifestyle.

Also whit dogma it is so easy to just read the dogma and never think deeper as to what it actually means. And that would be a shame in a lifestyle that is about philosophy more than anything else. Just look at other lifestyles and groups from religions to political directions, once it have dogma it in a way loses its soul.

May i wish you well


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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/30/2007 9:33:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings nephandi,

Where in my post did I say that we needed a consensus of what is Gorean or not? I am not talking about dogma, I used the words community standards. Try to pay attention and read just the words I type, and not what you think I am saying. It wastes my time to have to come back and explain myself.

Here is an example of a community standard: slaves should not call the Free shitheads. If a slave continues to break this rule, they and possibly their owner, are not abiding by a community standard. I am not talking about splitting hairs, but the ones that are blatantly obvious to a large majority. Do you understand a little better now?

Orion


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ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings Master

i think that widespread consensus as to what it is to be a Gorean is unlikely to happen. Most treads that have discussed that have ended up whit few points all can agree on. my Master do and say many things many more Traditional Goreans disagree whit and i see much disagreement on the forum about just what it is to be a Gorean.

i also think it may not be good if all agreed on this either. i think dogma is seldom good. Then one just go from one rigid regime of how to think (The standard Western one) to another rigid regime of how to think (The Gorean one). As long as there is not a hard consensus each is free to find his or her own path in the lifestyle.

Also whit dogma it is so easy to just read the dogma and never think deeper as to what it actually means. And that would be a shame in a lifestyle that is about philosophy more than anything else. Just look at other lifestyles and groups from religions to political directions, once it have dogma it in a way loses its soul.

May i wish you well



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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/30/2007 9:57:29 AM   
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You ostracize those that rebel against the community standards until those individuals decide they wish to be a part of the community. Collarme does not allow blacklist, or an organized effort to do something toward anyone,



hello Orion,
on second thought I  am taking this to a new thread. 
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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/30/2007 2:11:59 PM   
nephandi


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Thank you for your explanation Master.

But how would one set such standards. Yes some are rather self evident. But either one have to keep them so loose that is is basically just common sense, or one get into a codifying of things, and who will set the code if one have no consensus?

May i wish you well


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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/30/2007 2:22:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings nephandi,

The same way we recognize someone that is exhibiting unacceptable behavior, it is something you already know should not be done. Look at the example I gave you. These minimum standards would be rare, since they are minimums. I do not suggest writing them down, or organizing a panel to discuss them, just that we all usually recognize it when it occurs, and at some point when it is repeated behavior, you just stop giving the person any attention, until they improve themselves.

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ORIGINAL: nephandi

Greetings Master

Thank you for your explanation Master.

But how would one set such standards. Yes some are rather self evident. But either one have to keep them so loose that is is basically just common sense, or one get into a codifying of things, and who will set the code if one have no consensus?

May i wish you well



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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/30/2007 2:52:23 PM   
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i guess that i have never considered normal politeness to be a standard, i am raised so that that is the natural thing to do so i never considered having it as a standard as i assumed that it would be what pepole would do but yes you are right, far to many do not have even common courtesy. i understand your point better now. Thank you Master

May i wish you well


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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 1/1/2008 12:28:47 PM   
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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 1/1/2008 3:19:17 PM   
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