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CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 6:03:41 AM   
ygraine


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Status: offline 		Morning Everyone,
Ice storms make one thoughtful I suppose, and I was thinking about other threads where Gorean gatherings and experiments, etc., were discussed. Rather than hijack those threads with these thoughts, I will just start one with a basic question:
What is the practicality of a Gorean community on Earth?
I live in a very quiet cul-de-sac in the country.  So many times, especially after the amazing joy and closeness of a gathering, my mind drifts to the fantasy of  how wonderful it would be if we were all neighbors and sharing like mindedness in a true Gorean community.
Then reality hits me. 
I think it would be ok for the small group that meets often at various locations (we are all over the damn world these days), but would a true Gorean community ( I was thinking of the word "commune" from my old hippie days) be practical?
Would you want to live within a larger group of Goreans, knowing the schisms and the disagreements that take place? I am not sure I would.
Sure would like a few neighbors with some useful slaves though.

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 6:16:17 AM   
leiah


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This concept has been brought up here previously
and in various yahoo lists through the years.

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 7:21:00 AM   
ygraine


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Status: offline 		gee girl,
thank you for your absolutely worthless input on this subject.
For those of you who might want to talk about this, what I am asking is not the hows and wherefores, but would you really want to live in a Gorean communal lifestyle?
Y

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 7:39:01 AM   
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Actually I would, of course there would be disagreements within, there are now and we are all over the place.  But, let outsiders start, and I am really certain we would all stick together.   I think within the community there would be unity, a common denominator that is missing in most towns, at least in the US.  Which is the only country I can comment on, as that is where I live.    We would share the same goals, values, ethos.   Plus slaves!  That can't be a bad thing right??!!!  (Still have those leaves that need raked)

And I also think, this community could have a lot of impact on a local, possibly even national level, as far as elected officials.   Is it possible?  Well anything IS possible, is it probable?  Logistics sadly would prevent this from happening.  

I am reminded of a post I read some time ago, if you had let's a furnace go on the blink, and there were two companies that fixed furnaces and one was owned by a Gorean, wouldn't you call the Gorean owned company to come and fix your furnace?  You can bet I would.  As a Gorean, I would expect him to stand by his work, and be credible.   I think if given enough time, that's how a Gorean community would be viewed by the public at large.

Take care,

Liz

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 7:43:23 AM   
leiah


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Status: offline 		Greetings,

She has seen it discussed  by Free, here on this board and does not have the time to hunt down the search for you ,Mistress Y, and also in several others yahoo lists and boards.
It is one of those topics that no one ever agrees upon
such as the Rules and who should be in charge or where it should be.

a girl did not know how much she is Free to state of what she has seen of and read as it is not her agrrement/disagreement to speak of as she is under the rule of a Man.

One of the big issues were,was any woman to have a say in its development?.

Perhaps you have heard of the central cylendar(sp) she knows there are Goreans on this board that are/were members and can lead You to their conclusions should they wish to.

her two tarks are a BIG NO, smaller groups are much better just like in the books, you have Ar, Port Kar, Turia, etc...and an individual belongs to which ever

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 7:47:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: leiah


a girl did not know how much she is Free to state of what she has seen of and read as it is not her agrrement/disagreement to speak of as she is under the rule of a Man.





Then why did you?

Elizabeth

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 9:52:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		It would be a natural outcropping of social humanity for some form of Gorean clans to form. 

I know that is saying nothing more profound than that the whale is undoubtably one of the largest mammals alive today, but----

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 11:28:14 AM   
ElizabethAnne


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Status: offline 		Howdy  Ron,

Besides whales being the largest living mammal, I agree with your post.  Like minded folk tend to gravitate towards like minded folk, thus the various Gorean "clans" across the country, or even world.  I am not particularly interested in being around people that don't share what I believe is Gorean, so those in the "clan" I belong to for the most part all share the belief structure.  Now, that does not we don't disagree, hardly!, we do, overall though, we do tend to think similiarly. 

Take care wise wily one,

Liz

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 11:38:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		When one considers the 'Danish' guy they found frozen in the keel of scandinavia, was there any thought in his mind some 12,000 years hence that he was traversing Norway, Sweden and Finland?  Did he have in his mind a concept of Scandinavia in the large sense?  No....but it is historical and absolute that kith will gather with kind, and create a group; a clique; a club;  a clan; a country.....

So it goes with the Peabody flower club, as well as the Tingvold Lutheran Ladies Aid Auxillary.........

They will gather, there will be petty disputes, pedantic arguments, petulant retributions...

poor men want to be rich, rich men want to be kings, and a king ain't satisfied till he owns everything....(BRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCEEEEE!!!)

So,  tire not, gather at the Althings and pass the time when and if you can.

That is how I view it, in the large sense.

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< Message edited by mnottertail -- 12/12/2007 11:41:33 AM >

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 12:31:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hiya Y,

I think there's a few issues that would make it a bit unworkable.  What happens to the community the first time a man decides to sell his slave to his neighbor, over the slave's objections?  When she packs up and leaves?  Or when the neighbor on the other side decides to canjellne for her?

I know, they're just slaves and shouldn't get in the way of what should be a community, but I think such a situation would be nearly impossible to establish because the effort it takes to build a community could easily be torn down by a few disgruntled people.  To boot, what standards do you impose?  What if the Uber Gorean next door dies, leaving the house to his vanilla nephew?

Not trying to be a naysayer, I'm only pointing out some of the nuts and bolts that never seem to quite fit each other.

Regards,

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 12:37:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Stephann,
Thats why someone whohappens to be a rich Gorean needs to buy a small country without the nusicance of legal issues......maybe a nice tropical island.

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 12:38:36 PM   
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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 12:39:57 PM   
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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 12:44:49 PM   
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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 12:49:54 PM   
mnottertail


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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 1:02:22 PM   
Maahsatti


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Status: offline 		Howdy Cath,

Im with Liz on this. I would love to live within a Gorean community (comune)

No, it would not be easy and many difficult bugs would need to be worked out. But hey, we would have hard working, responsable men to take care of that, now wouldnt we?..and Im sure the occasional input from the FW..*winks* when asked for.
I can only imagine the closeness that we all would share with each other...the happiness, that sadness, thecomforts and discomforts all the burdens would be taken on as a community and not have to be felt and dealt with alone.
The men would share a true brotherhood as the women a true sisterhood.


LOL..sounds a lil Jim Jones now doesnt it?
lets always be mindful not to drink coolaid laced with rat poison and I think we would do well.

Love ya,
Babs

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 1:22:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		My initial reaction to this centers on one key issue... females.

Females were kept free for breeding purposes, because children born of slaves under gorean law were slaves as well...

Now, that is fictional law... and I can not imagine anyone trying to form a community in which children are raised to be slaves. Personally, as much of a hard case as I am, I firmly believe in the right of the individual to chose whether or not to live this way of life. Forced sterilization of slaves?

Ok... so no need for free women... ok... a community of men and their slaves... then we are on to other concerns... ageing... what would happen when a slave was aged to the point she could no longer serve? Not something goreans in the books had to deal with.

The problems of trying to lay out rules by which to govern such a commune or community are massive, and in the end, too many of those who might be interested in such a place would be driven away by having others' vision forced upon them.

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 1:47:02 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Tal Torvold:

You said:


The problems of trying to lay out rules by which to govern such a commune or community are massive, and in the end, too many of those who might be interested in such a place would be driven away by having others' vision forced upon them.

I would think with a name like yours, you would consider at the 'community clan' scale the concept of the Althing being a sufficient method of choosing leaders
and insuring the checks and balances of those powers, at the localised levels this would occur, that it would not suffer a peoples, (or for that matter, a king's) armlength.

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 1:47:31 PM   
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One of the best "looks" into this concept can be found on the Gorean Public boards.  It really examines the perks and quirks not to mention the work involved in such an under taking.  Also discussed are mundane aspects, like you know services and employment.

On a personal note, ya I like the concept, then again I think I like the concept because it is more "small town" feeling then living where I currently do.  That to me is the attraction and that alone.  I am rather a private person and all to often in small towns people like to stick their noses in where they don't belong.  I would rather own property and live in the bush if I could then in a town to begin with.

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RE: CReating a Gorean community? - 12/12/2007 2:22:06 PM   
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