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ORIGINAL: Aswad

Well put, Tim.

I'm pondering this one a bit over dinner.

As I read the OP, I didn't see a problem with it, quite on the contrary.
Thus, I have a quick question for Orion that might be useful in clarifying some things:
Was your first post in direct response to the topic, or somewhat tangential or ancillary?
Knowing which was the case would certainly make it easier for me to put my thoughts into a useful form.

Health,
al-Aswad.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

I consider it pretty insulting that Y has taken my comments completely out of context, created in her own mind what she believed I was saying, even though there was no substance for her belief.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

So to me the only ones that prevent this from being a community, is us.

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

Tal Orion,

I did not get the impression you are getting. This did not appear to me to be targetted at you. Also, my initial reaction upon reading your responses was, to be frank, "has he had too much coffee today?"

Now, I'm generally not the one to mind roughness around the edges, or even outright abrasiveness, so what I'm getting at is that your response seems, to me, entirely uncharacteristic of you in the context of the OP as I read it. Rather like what you yourself said about blowing things out of proportion and reading more into a thing than is there. It could be there, but I don't see it, so who gets the tiebreaker vote?

Perhaps it would be a constructive approach for you and Ygraine to sort out what you both meant via CMail?

Not a peacekeeping thing (I prefer about a pound of antimatter for that), but simply that Ygraine started things off with an OP that to me seems to touch on something that is relevant and interesting. Bull has mentioned it in the past, as well. I also believe Kim has. The gist of it being that this forum avoids a monoculture by relying on attirition and the like to rid us of those who do not belong here, while still allowing a fair amount of diversity.

When the dust clears, I would like to take part in a discussion on that.

Health,
al-Aswad.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

I consider it pretty insulting that Y has taken my comments completely out of context, created in her own mind what she believed I was saying, even though there was no substance for her belief.

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ORIGINAL: Dreadknox

In Support:

“But the majority of it is just self important fear of persecution and that bothers me.  I feel it was a valid question to ask, but if a question can be shut down simply out of distaste for who asked it, how can anyone hope to learn anything?” http://www.collarchat.com/m_1496459/mpage_4/tm.htm

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Not worth it. People are going to create their own truths, no matter what.

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ORIGINAL: amelliagrace

FR~
 
I can't believe this thread is still going.  Is this evidence that "only the good die young"?
 
Grace

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

Greetings,

This is simply and only an online discussion board where people under anonyomity come to discuss Gorean topics.  This is not in any way, shape, or form life.  People should not use these boards to come live Gorean.  I also believe too may people on this board have a need to control things a need to make people do as they want them to do even if its on an online discussion board with nicknames you more than likely will probably never know beyond this discussion board.  This need seems to have become almost a desperation on this forum.  That is where all of the angst comes in from this board because nickname A isn't acting, doing, etc what nickname B demands he/she do.  My question comes down to this who the hell is nickname B to seriously have the delusional idea that what he/she wants another nickname to do is what that nickname MUST do.  It honestly amazes me that people on this board could honestly be so self-important.  That is all this comes down too.

Certain nicknames feel this desperate need to control anonymous online nicknames instead of simply coming here and discussing what he/she wishes too.  If you go back and read how the old timers from this board post, you never had these types of issues, you didn't have in pretty much every single thread a couple people bitching and moaning at how they don't like how someone posted something or whinging because they want someone to do something differently.  Again, if you seriously believe an anonymous nickname online who you don't know, will probably never meet, and don't exist at all to most people on this board outside this website, should do what YOU demand of them on this site, i think its time you really take a step back an analyze why you come here because it isn't to simply discuss.  MOST people do, they come here simply to discuss the topics at hand, reply when they wish and don't when they wish, they don't make this big bid to attempt to control others in a desperate need to what?  Show how you are Gorean, to make you feel Gorean, to be the BIG BAD Gorean.  If any anonymous nickname on here threatens you so badly you feel this need to demand they do what you want them to do, and you aren't willing to do what THEY want you to do, and youj get so obsessed with trying to control what happens on this forum, then seriously, you need to get off the computer and look at what living Gorean really is because this is a discussion board where anonymous people come to discuss living Gorean, if you come here to live Gorean, then you really need to recognize the difference.

I wish the old timers would return to these boards, not because i believe they are more knowledgeable then others but because their presence seemed to keep all of the control freaks from making desperate bids to control what happens on this forum.  Why and how?  Because the old timers used this board for exactly what it is a discussion board where anonymous nicknames come to discuss living Gor.  They didn't come here in desperate attempt to take over or take control through demanding other nicknames accept their demands and conform to what THEY want.  They simply were secure enough in who and what they were that they didn't need validation from nicknames online and the way they became leaders was not by self-appointment that their way was correct and others need to conform to them, but through using their experience, knowledge, etc of Gor to DISCUSS, not order and demand of people who they more than likely will never know beyond a nickname on a message board.

There are places people can go to create their own little fortress of being Gorean online where they can rule and demand and expect conformation to THEIR specifications and they are called chatrooms.  People shouldn't use an anonymous public discussion board to assauge some desperate need to have control over things and demand people in the guise of anonymity do as THEY say they want them to or else they are going to MAKE that person confrom.  Hell it can be done here too, create a thread calling it NICKNAME A's thread a place where people MUST do what nickname A wants or get the hell out because if you don't like what he does tough shit or nickname B's City where she controls all that happens and if you don't like it leave or she will bitch you out.   That way your need for control will be assauge and you can control any who wish to enter YOUR own personal thread and make your own little community and demand people who enter do things YOUR way and those who stay with the main forum can simply go back to discussing Gor and you will have a place where you control all and play Gorean online.

Seriously people -- how sad is that?  If you don't have the ability to ignore someone because you don't like them or like how they say something on a board where their are not set standards nor a "hidden" agreement by the majority that what YOU believe is Gorean is correct, what does that seriously say about you?  This call to arms is honestly ridiculous and to me portrays insecure and immature people who are so desperate to feel Gorean, act Gorean so they can be Gorean that the start to seriously believe that this is a community they somehow lead and start to seriously demand others DO AS THEY SAY, simply because they don't LIKE someone and get angry because someone doesn't do what they say.  Sounds silly doesn't it?  Well if you aren't willing to do the above then why attempt to do it as a whole forum where you aren't a self-elected leader, where people don't ALL follow you and your ways of "doing" Gor.  This isn't a place to come live Gorean, its a place where Goreans come to discuss how they live Gorean.

Hopefully in 2008, nicknames on this forum will recognize this is simply an online public discussion board, its not a town or a hall, its a place to come type opinions based on topics of living Gorean, this is NOT a place to come so you can LIVE Gor.

I realize many people will get all pissy because of what I said here, and will once again embark on a demand i do as what they demand i do because i MUST somehow see them as an authority figure in MY LIFE, and simply conform to their wishes and simply acknowledge them as the "leaders" because they bitch and whinge at all who don't do as they want.  Sorry folks, i don't follow any frequent poster here, i follow those Men and a few women who have proven through discussion that they have the ability to differentiate between coming online to discuss Gor and they don't come on line to live Gorean.  Those Men and Women to me are the leaders if this place would be considered a community, because THEY aren't so hung up on doing Gorean they need to try and control anonymous online nicknames to feel and act Gorean, so they can be Gorean.  They simply live Gorean and come here to discuss the topics generated.

angel