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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/15/2008 6:51:50 AM

amelliagrace

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Any update on your mare, Terrah? She has been in my prayers.

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/15/2008 6:55:50 AM

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What's wrong with embroidered guest towels? I think they make a bathroom look less functional and more attractive. Plus it shows your guests that you value them.

Sorry about your mare, hope she pulls through.

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/15/2008 7:16:40 AM

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Good morning Miss Grace J

Wow, I like your questions lol. No easy out’s for you huh? I debated about which ones I should be answering and then decided that I was just going to answer any that fit in with me J

So….I'm curious as to what age you were when you
A. Became interested in Gorean philosophy and life
Hmm, I guess you could say in High School; though I am not sure that I would call it ‘interested in’. In one of my classes, we were told to choose a classic to read; I choose the Gor series ( a friend of my father’s had the series ). When I turned in my list of what I was going to do my essays on, the teacher told me that I was not allowed to use those. So naturally; I read them because I wanted to know WHY he would not allow them J I only read the first 4 at that time as that was all I had access to; but I found them interesting enough to continue through the years. I admit though that my interest was based on the sci-fi and not anything else.

When I met my owner, I found that he had read the series also so we would often discuss the books; sometimes he would make references to the philosophy within them, but still, my interest was based on the story lines and not much else.

It was several years into our relationship when I was introduced to several couples from Chicago that he knew who identified as Gorean. I was kind of thrown off; like many others do now, thinking that ‘oh my gosh…just like trekkies…living a sci-fi life lol. Through time I began to realize that it was much more than that; that it was a defining of HOW we/they live and not what they/we DO. My interest changed after that and I began to ask questions so that I could understand a bit better.
And so, my interest changed and grew J I still don’t know a whole lot; but what I did learn over the years has stayed with me.

B. Began to think of and identify yourself as Gorean
LOL, I think it’s obvious to everyone here that I don’t ever label myself. However, if I WAS to label myself, I still would not call myself Gorean. Since I do not think of myself as Free, it is not my place to place such a distinction upon myself. I know others disagree, but that is how I have always thought of it.

C. Became a slave (if you were one prior to being a FW)
I would like to say 18, however, I met him when I was 16 and it was at that time that I decided he was what I wanted lol. At that time in my life I was pretty much a ‘get what I want from life’ and screw the consequences. Three months past my 18th birthday I moved in with him. There was never any doubt on my side about what kind of relationship we were going to have; he made it perfectly clear.

Do you differentiate between being "submissive" and being "slave"?
Absolutely. Though on these boards I am careful to keep my distinctions to myself because to do otherwise is to inflame everyone; but for myself; there is a clear difference. In my own thoughts, a submissive is a person who ‘acts a certain way for a certain amt of time’, though there are those who have an inherent personality that could be seen as submissive; in which case they have a deep seated desire to please at all times in any way. And a slave; well as slave is property, owned completely; someone who willingly ( or in some cases lol ) unwillingly, gives up her inner self to another. To me, slavery is a mentality, deep rooted and impossible to deny J

Do you consider yourself to be a dominant?
Umm, No, but at the same time, I am not a very submissive person. I have too much…energy?…inside me to step to the side simply because a man is around. If I know there is something that I can do better than him, I tend to take the lead and accept the consequences after.

What aspects of Gorean philosophy and interaction with Goreans cause you to spend time in this particular Gorean forum?
I like the people. I like their honesty; I like their bluntness; and I like their no nonsense attitude. It is something that I sorely miss in my interactions in real life. I know only a handful in reality who possess this same ‘I don’t care’ attitude; it is something that I highly respect in people. LOL, this is the only forum where I truly do try to temper my words with a bit of respect; and where I try to keep MY ‘I don’t care’ attitude to a minimum.

Interesting questions

Have yourself a simply wonderful day

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/15/2008 7:33:55 AM

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I have never been a slave real life and I never want to be one I will admit to doing things in my past that was not FW behaviour but I call that a learning stage and I dare say many a FW will admit to doing things in there past that was not proper for a FW ,

Lol, I thought that was an inherent part of the human condition, to do things at various times in one's life best considered as learning stages or growth exeriences.

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Some people will say there is nothing worse than a FW who was once a slave and that they become bitter and twisted once freed in the way they treat slaves I believe sometimes this is true ,

This is an interesting statement. Let's say, for the sake of discussion, that this is true half the time (arbitrary number, picked out of thin air). I wonder if, in cases where this is so, there might be more than one reason for it. If someone who was truly slave at heart were released by a Master they longed to stay with, certainly this type of deep wounding could turn to bitterness. It wouldn't necessarily be the case, however, but the potential would be there. You see the same thing in men when a woman departs them for another. But then, I don't view someone who is slave at heart, but lives life in an unowned state as necessarily being a free person. This is an opinion that I am well aware is not shared by everyone.

Another scenario that could lead to bitterness is a slave being forced by circumstances or Men into conducting themselves as an FW (when it really isn't who they are at heart), and the slave preceiving this to be because the Master desires to "trade them in on a newer model" after years of service. That isn't something that most slaves or submissives I know would embrace with glee.

Perhaps, too, bitterness can grow from resentment percipitated by the preception that Men tend to play slaves and FWs off against each other, in a manner of speaking, creating an environment in which women who should never be in competition with each other for any reason, felt the need to compete. The reasons a Man might do this are pattently distasteful, and I believe it is rare for it to be done deliberately; I do not see this as being normative. I have seen instances where such things were happened, but did not appear to be overt, deliberate, or even conscious.

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this is Earth not Gor slaves are slaves yes but if I had a slave and her mum was seriously ill would I send her to her mum hell yes I would to not do so is being pure selfish but thats my feelings ,

This was discussed in a recent thread, and the Men here definitely agree with you about sending her to her mom. When you have time, you may find that threa of interest. It is difficult for me to imagine a quality Man or Woman behaving otherwise.

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some say I might be to soft with slaves but if I get things done what I want done who are they to judge what I do ?,

If a person be free, their actions with regard to managing property are on their own heads. No doubt everyone and his brother would have an opinion, but it would certainly be up to you whether or not you allowed that to bother you.

Thanks, Mitzie!
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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/15/2008 7:54:35 AM

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Tal Ladies and all others who read this;

I first want to thank Grace for cmailing me and bringing this up. To me it shows we really do wish to interact on a basis of civility. Second I want to thank the people I talked to who listened when we spoke of this. Third, I am glad to be here contributing.

I've been thrilled by the support and interest in this projet, and am greatly appreciative of all who've contributed to it, both on and off board.

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A. Became interested in Gorean philosophy and life I have always been Gorean as a definiton by the books. I have had a Home Stone since I was 20. I even called it a Home Stone and I had never read a book until I was 38. Anyhow, the life I have researched for years and found the Master/slave, and Natural Order simply amazing. I have also studied the civil war specifically about the slaves. I did a thesis on this during college, was interesting to say the very least.

Interesting, Terrah. Have you by chance ever studied the partiulars of slavery in Rome, the West Indies, or other place, at various times in history?

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and if there were any particular life events that fascilitated, mandated, or precipitated a the change in your status. Well, no life events, I just had to be a slave, I just knew it was right for me, I had thought of it for about a year, talked to others, wondered, pondered and finally tried very hard to be one. I sucked at it, but continued to try as I felt the need to serve someone deep inside, but what I have come to know, is that I really wanted someone to come into my life and be a man to me, a real man. I found Tavares.

And answering another question, to Mitzie, no I did not meet Tavares online. I met him in Colorado on US 287 driving down the road. Both of us in different big trucks. We talked and he has always shown me what a real man was, I loved him the moment I saw him and have never stopped. He is the answer to my prayers for finding a man. He has everything I asked God for, everything, and I asked for some pretty wild things too. :)

Every time I read about your initial meeting with Tavares, it makes me smile. It is a delightful story.

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/15/2008 9:00:20 AM

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Greetings

Nice to see this section up and running. I hope we all get much use and enjoyment from it.

Grace nice set of questions, reading the answers really do help to get to know each other. Here is my stab at it.

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A. Became interested in Gorean philosophy and life

14 after I read my first book.

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B. Began to think of and identify yourself as Gorean

Late 20's as I found people actually banded together to form a community.

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C. Became a slave (if you were one prior to being a FW)

Late 20's as at that time FW were almost unheard of. Women were pretty much slaves. At least among the people I was around.

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D. Became an FW

Mid 30's

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and if there were any particular life events that fascilitated, mandated, or precipitated a the change in your status.

Indeed, my husband didn’t want “a” slave.

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Do you differentiate between being "submissive" and being "slave"?

I believe those two definations best fit in within the BDSM community. I see submission as a biological truth within all of humanity and very situational and varied. Slave to me is simply a status, nothing more in practice and figerative in philosophy.

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Do you consider yourself to be a dominant?

No and yes, it is situational. At times I am and must be dominant and at others, I am not. If asked am I alpha or beta I would pick beta.

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I'd also be interested in hearing from the Gorean FWs , what you consider to be some of the most signifigant events in your life that either challenged your philosophical veiws, or brought about change in them.

I would say the moment I had to question everything I thought I knew. See at one time I used status/status quo to define myself and my beliefs. I would try to justify inconsistancies with status/beliefs and reality in hopes to make it work. Then I would ask, what am I. I came to the realization that as soon as I had shaped my life around a status I became slave to it, irregardless of what status that might be, in or out of the Gorean landscape. Take for example being a mother. Mom’s are supposed to be/do (insert here). Are they? My favorite be/do was being a gamer, how often my um’s peers said “Mom’s aren’t supposed to.” Who said so? Under what code of conduct does it say you can or can not and why? Reasoning on this has lead to me to where I am today. I don’t merely accept like a slave, I question and form my own personal best out of it.

I once feared testing my ethos, no longer will I do so. The ultimate learning experience I have gained within the Gorean experience is mere acceptance is not good enough. The best truths are those worked for.

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/15/2008 10:20:43 AM

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Time to tell you about myself, I suppose. Different font than usual, to make this easier to follow. Remind me to tell you sometime about why I use color when I "talk" online.

I'm curious as to what age you were when you
A. Became interested in Gorean philosophy and life My upbringing had, in many ways, a rather gorean flavor to it. Certainly not "by the books", though I dare say that my father would have been completely at home among the GM I've met in this forum. I have strong reason to believe that he read the books, though I can not prove this, and he is no longer with us for me to ask. My mother I would describe as submissive to the point that you could flip a coin as to whether she was "slave" or "submissive partner". In time she became an FW, though always submissive (with notable, unforgetable exceptions) to my dad. Anyway, my upbringing predisposed me to looking at couple, family, and community dynamics and seeing them as fascinating to study. Long before I knew the word "Gorean", many elements of Gorean philosophy and viewpoint were a part of me.

As a teenager my first exposure to the Gor series could be summed up as "interesting concepts, but not enough for me to endure reading these." (I have, however, begun reading the series again, but I'm not making headway very fast.)

About 8 years ago I began to run into people online and off who spoke of Gorean life. I found them far more interesting than the books - even the ones that I considered to be idiots or lunatics. The living Goreans of this forum I don't tend to think of as idiots or lunatics.

B. Began to think of and identify yourself as Gorean Thusfar, I don't. I am what I am, and certainly there are aspects of Gorean philosophy which area part of me.
C. Became a slave (if you were one prior to being a FW) I've never been a slave, and never thought of myself as one. Certain aspects of my upbringing, however, would probably have qualified as slavery or slave training in the minds of many. Interesting, in light of part D...
D. Became an FW I was raised by a free Man to be a free Woman. Specific lessons were giving to me as a child and young woman, to instill in me the differences between slave and free, and to ensure that I would seek a life consistent with my nature. Essentially, my father was wise enough to see what was in my, and tailor my upbringing to it. Had I been a slave at heart, he would have tailord my rearing to that.
and if there were any particular life events that fascilitated, mandated, or precipitated a the change in your status. Freedom is a fascinating thing. One can be a free person on the inside, and not be so on the outside. One can seem so on the outside, and not be so on the inside. The free person may find themself at times having their freedom limited, or restricted. There is always the choice of whether to accept this, forfieting personal freedoms and sovereignty for expediency, or to fight to reclaim. (I view such situations as far different from making the choice to subordinate one's actions out of the best interests of home stone, or out of cooperative endeavor as a means to an end.)

There are a couple situations and circumstances in my life which cost me part of my freedom and personal sovereignty for a time. Though the circumstances were far different than those of Tarl and Jason, and though I did not lose nearly so much of my freedom, I too fought and worked to regain those, for they are supremely important to me.

Were you at any point a non-Gorean slave prior to becoming a FW? No
At what age did you become a slave?
An FW?
Do you differentiate between being "submissive" and being "slave"? Yes. Within the BDSM subcultures this is definitely the case. Within what I've seen of Gorean life, there are also slave personalities, submissive personalities, and dominant personalities. This has to do with the human spectrum, seperately from status. With regard to status, I think in terms of slave, FP, FC.
Do you consider yourself to be a dominant? No, though it can appear otherwise at times. That may have something to do with me being an INFJ on the Myers-Briggs personality assessment scale. I'm an introvert who often looks like an extrovert.

Were there any specific events in your life which either fascilitated, mandated, or precipitated this change? There were definite events and situations which caused me to seize liberties temporarily lost or impinged upon. That is all I'm prepared to share at this point.
What particular points of philosophy and lifestyle keep you from identifying as a Gorean? My preceptions of the apparent double standards with which some Gorean principles are applied to men and women, my inherent skeptisism of any belief system that is overly strictured, deep seeded resistance to doing much of anything "by the book" without plenty of good reasons to. "That is just the way it is" or "the way it is done" doesn't go very far with me.

What aspects of Gorean philosophy and interaction with Goreans cause you to spend time in this particular Gorean forum? The living Goreans here, and some of the non-Gorean regulars to this board are people who've proven over and over again that they have substance to their thought processes. The values they claim to revere in thier lives are ones I too value. The quality of the conversations are superior to most discussion environments I've been exposed to. There is depth to the people and the discussion. This obviously isn't a role play haven. Discourse here is quite civil.

Yeah, I know, way TMI, but there you have it-
Grace

Edited to add a minor point of clarification

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/15/2008 8:08:43 PM

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What's wrong with embroidered guest towels? I think they make a bathroom look less functional and more attractive. Plus it shows your guests that you value them.

Absolutely nothing Celeste if a guest towel is what you want! LOL!

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/15/2008 9:16:45 PM

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FR-

Yentl is one of my favorite movies.

Twenty-five years after it was made, this movie based on the book "Yentl, the Yeshiva Boy", by Isaac Bashevis, is still hottly debated in some circles. There are those who say that a story intended as a gay rights manifesto was hijacked and twisted into a feminist manifesto. To both of those, I pretty much say, "Bah!"

The questions asked and issues explored within it go deeper than that, and are more fundamental. Much of what it means and does not mean to be an FW is touched upon within it. Issues of personal sovereignty, and defying social convention and culture in the quest to be true to self are explored. In many respects the pivotal and essential issues and conflicts within the film transend gender, culture, and time.

The music from the film speaks to all of this. Samples are pasted below. Comments, anyone?

Music: Michel Legrand
Lyrics: Alan and Marilyn Bergman
Premiere: 1983

PRAYER
God, our merciful father,
I’m wrapped in a robe of light,
Clothed in your glory
That spreads its wings over my soul.
Maybe I be worthy
Amen.

There’s not a morning I begin without
A thousand questions running through my mind,
That I don’t try to find the reason and the logic
In the world that God designed.
The reason why
a bird was given wings,
If not to fly and praise the sky
With every song it sings.
What’s right or wrong,
Where I belong
Within the scheme of things...
And why have eyes that see
And arms that reach
Unless you’re meant to know
There’s something more?
If not to hunger for the meaning of it all,
Then tell me what a soul is for?
Why have the wings
Unless you’re meant to fly?
And tell me please, why have a mind
If not to question why?
And tell me where-
Where is it written what it is
I’m meant to be, that I can’t dare
To have the chance to pick the fruit of every tree,
Or have my share of every sweet-imagined possibility?
Just tell me where, tell me where?
If I were only meant to tend the nest,
Then why does my imagination sail
Across the mountains and the seas,
Beyond the make-believe of any fairy tale?
Why have the thirst if not to drink the wine?
And what a waste to have a taste
Of things that can't he mine?
And tell me where, where is it written what it is
I'm meant to be, that I can't dare-
To find the meanings in the mornings that I see,
Or have my share of every sweet-imagined possibility?
Just tell me where- where is it written?
Tell me where-
Or if it's written anywhere?

A Piece of Sky

Tell me where
Where is it written
What is it I meant to be?
That I can't dare...
It all began the day I found..
That from my window I could only see
A piece of sky.
I stepped outside and looked around.
I never dreamed it was so wide
Or even half as high.
The time had come
(Papa, can you hear me?)
To try my wings
(Papa, are you near me?)
And even thought it seemed at any moment I could fall,
I felt the most,
(Papa, can you see me?)
Amazing things,
(Can you understand me?)
The things you can't imagine
if you've never flown at all.
Though it's safer to stay on the ground,
Sometimes where danger lies
There the sweetest of pleasures are found.
No matter where I go,
There'll be memories that tug at my sleeve,
But there will also be
More to question, yet more to believe..
Oh tell me where?
Where is the someone who will turn and look at me?
And want to share
My ev'ry sweet-imagined possibility?
The more I live - the more I learn.
The more I learn - the more I realize
The less I know.
Each step I take -
(Papa, I've a voice now!)Each page I turn -
(Papa, I've a choice now!)Each mile I travel only means
The more I have to go.
What's wrong with wanting more?
If you can fly - then soar!
With all there is - why settle for
just a piece of sky?
Papa, I can hear you...
Papa, I can see you...
Papa, I can feel you...
Papa, watch me fly!

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/15/2008 9:30:51 PM

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A bit more......

No wonder he loves her,
No wonder at all.
The moment she sees him,
Her thought is to please him.
Before he even knows that he's hunger
She's already there with his plate.
Before his glass is even empty
She's filling it up God
forbid he should wait!
Before he has the chance to tell her
He's chilly, she'll go put a log on the fire
Fulfilling his every desire-
No trouble...No bother.
No wonder she's pretty,
What else should she be
She hasn't a worry,
And why should she worry
[ Lyrics found at www.mp3lyrics.org/snY ]
When she gets up her biggest decision
Is figuring out what to wear.
To pick a blouse, a skirt,
And then there's the problem of what
Should she do with her hair.
And later as she stands and studies
A chicken, the question's "to roast
Or to not roast"
Or better yet may be a pot roast?
Tomatoes? No... Potatoes?
No wonder he likes it-
It's perfect this way
Who wouldn't want someone
Who fusses and flatters?
Who makes you feel that
you're all that matters?
Whose only aim in life is to serve you
And make you think she doesn't deserve you?
No wonder he loves her-
What else could he do?
If I were a man, I would too!

No wonder she suits him,
She never disputes him.
The conversation’s not too exciting
But oh, what a change it must be!
To spend an evening where there's
'No conversation must be a relief after me
And though there's nothing much
To challenge your mind here,
Who cares when the food’s so delicious
'Not to mention these beautiful dishes-
A matched set- from France yet
No wonder he loves her,
No wonder to me
With ribbons and laces
In all the right places,
I must admit it’s all very pleasant
And this is a comfortable room
And if he likes the smell of lilacs and roses
Then maybe he likes her perfume
And though her silky hair
And milky complexion are nice
Still they’re not that distracting
So what accounts for the way he’s been acting?
Her softness?
Her sweetness?
How could he resist her
And why would he try?
No wonder he wants her,
He needs her,
He loves her,
No wonder...
So would I!

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/16/2008 7:08:38 AM

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Tal Ladies,

Update on horse real quick, she's doing better, she's eating and drinking now, and she's a bit more responsive. We are not out of the woods yet, she still has the scours (diaharrea) and that is dangerous as well, but she has true spirit and pulled through when we all thought she would not, so I am confident she shall overcome this hurdle as well. We don't know about the baby yet, she's too iritated to go inside her rear to find out if the baby is kicking still, but she has not aborted and again a very good sign.

Thank you for all your concern and prayers for her, I hope to have much better news late today or tomorrow. She's young so she can bounce back and hopefully will very soon.

I wish you well,

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/16/2008 10:22:04 AM

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Greetings Terrah

Glad to hear your horse is doing better. Hopefully it and it's baby will pull through just fine. It's always hard to see an animal sick, kind of makes you feel helpless.

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/16/2008 2:02:25 PM

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Thanks for the update Terrah. My best wishes to her, and to you as well.

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/16/2008 5:04:08 PM

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Howdy Ladies,

I say the mare will be just fine, like that fiesty owner of hers! Keep us informed Terrah.

Take care,

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/16/2008 5:21:34 PM

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No wonder she suits him, She never disputes him.

*laughs quieitly*

No such woman exists, or ever will.

It does remind me, though, of a Joni Mitchell lyric:

"I know you don't like weak women you get bored so quick--
...but then you don't like strong women 'cuz they're hip to your tricks."

She does, however, make clear throughout the song that she's ready to submit to him anytime he's interested.

[You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio]

...and now back your regular broadcast....

;-)

Tim

P.S. Terrah--I've got a bag of carrots and a bag of apples with that mare's name on them...

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/16/2008 5:38:16 PM

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No wonder she suits him, She never disputes him.

*laughs quieitly*

No such woman exists, or ever will.

It does remind me, though, of a Joni Mitchell lyric:

"I know you don't like weak women you get bored so quick--
...but then you don't like strong women 'cuz they're hip to your tricks."

She does, however, make clear throughout the song that she's ready to submit to him anytime he's interested.

[You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio]

...and now back your regular broadcast....

;-)

Tim

P.S. Terrah--I've got a bag of carrots and a bag of apples with that mare's name on them...

Thanks for stopping in, Tim, and sharing a chuckle. For me music, philosophy, people watching and humor go together like winter, spring, summer and fall. Without all of them, life just wouldn't be.....life.

Regards-
Grace

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/17/2008 10:00:57 AM

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Tal Everyone,

Tavares has visited the mare several times now, she is a bit droopy yet, who wouldn't be? She is eating much more food now, finished off her first bale.. whew!! She is currently fighting an ulcer in her belly, but I would say with the hay and other proteins and shots they are giving her for her immune system are definately working. We are having a very deep cold spell right now, but she's in a stall, so it's not a concern for me. The vet said give it a few days more while he slowly takes her off the shots and let's her immune system return to normal. If it doesn't she'll relaspe but I think she will pull through..

And thanks Tim, but she doesn't like carrots or apples believe it or not.. but I have this buckskin that adores both.. he's like Matt Dillions horse, very well marked. It has been suggested that I get a website up so ya'll can see my stock.. OK give me a month I'll have it going. I have to take fresh pics of all of them first. :)

And yes grace, I have studied slavery ever since I was in like the 5th grade. I found it simply amazing, I even took Civil War history in college and did a thesis on the underground railroad that didn't exist, so I had to change it to slavery in general and the movement north. I have always found it extremely interesting, all the back to the times of Moses and he leading the slaves to the wilderness.

Thank you all for your concerns and prayers for the mare. I think she'll be ok.. at least I am hoping so. Yes helplessness is not something I do well either. But fighting is :) so I encouraged her to fight as hard as she can to overcome this.

I wish ya'll well.. have a great day

Terrah

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/17/2008 2:15:59 PM

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Hey amelligrace:

I too think this is a good idea..but agree with the *rules* that Ygraine suggested.. As too women coming to agreement.. thats not really uncommon as long as bathrooms, kitchens or handsome men arent involved..winks

I dont identify as Gorean .. however I encountered it a little over nine years ago when I ment a rather fascinating man in a chatroom.. it was a general room not Gorean specific.. I got to know him both online and then offline.. he asked me to read some books.. I did.. I visited Gorean chatrooms.. both on mirc and html.. I was interested but didnt see where I would fit... we had many long intense discussions.. and it came down to this I fell in love with a Gorean man.. and he loved a woman who wasnt Gorean. I respect his ideals, I respect his commitment to his philosophy and he respects my choices.

I suppose by the Gorean defination I was born a Free Woman.. I identify as Dominant because that it is the closest to my nature. On the pendulm of Submissive on one end and Dominant on the other.. I swing more to the D side than the s side.
Yes I do see a difference in my idealogy btwn slave and submissive. I suppose because my main education comes from the leather perspective.

I look forward to reading the thread.

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/18/2008 8:33:32 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sylverdawn

Hey amelligrace:

I too think this is a good idea..but agree with the *rules* that Ygraine suggested.. As too women coming to agreement.. thats not really uncommon as long as bathrooms, kitchens or handsome men arent involved..winks

Hello and welcome to the thread, SD!

As for the statement above.....I have to disagree with you.
Seriously, of the three, in my experience there would be more disagreement over which men were handsome, than just about anything else. This, IMO, is agood thing.

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/19/2008 5:32:14 PM

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Even'n Ladies,

Or is that ladies of the evening? Nah....and it may not be evening where you are, but it is for me, thus, my opening.   I was reading Tim's post in another thread, and he said something that occurred to me, and I want to get ya'lls opinion on it, I would put this in a poll, but, this is truly a free woman thing.   So I think this is the perfect place for my post.

Tim had mentioned, only a few here call themselves Mistress. When do you, if you do, call yourself Mistress, and when do you, if you do, expect to be called that by slaves/subs?   And do you correct them if they don't?

Here is my rule of thumb, IF I know the girl, and I know she either is owned by a Gorean man, or wants to be owned by a Gorean man, and considers herself slave material, I expect to be addressed as Mistress, on line or off line.   There a couple of submissives that call Mz Liz (winks at smilezz if she reads this), from them I don't consider it a "due course" so as to speak, but more as an affectionate name, and that pleases me greatly. And the girls I don't know at all, quite frankly, I don't really care.

Anyway I was curious as to how you all handle being addressed.

Take care,

Liz

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