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RE: FW Dialogue - 8/5/2009 5:27:05 PM   
ElizabethAnne


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Status: offline 		Howdy Folks,

Thanks for all the great suggetions.   We are going to keep it, because as you have pointed out it was a gift of appreciation.   And it would have been churlish to try to return it, and not the right thing to do.    It always seems easier to give a gift, rather to accept a gift.  At least for me.

As it happens, my daughter is running in her 2nd Marathon this year in Columbus, so we'll most likely use it then.  That's what I told our neighbor when I thanked her for her generosity.  She said they so enjoyed the camper, so all is good in this neck of Ohio!

Take care,

Liz

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RE: FW Dialogue - 8/25/2009 12:42:20 PM   
Sylverdawn


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Status: offline 		Hey Liz... It seems in todays world the small niceties of life go by the way side... I was raised to send thank you cards for things like a dinner invitation... I always bring a gift when invited to spend the weekend at a friends home... I hold store doors open for elderly people so they may enter the store.. and if someone holds the door open for me I always smile and say thank you... I offer my seat  when a handicap. pregnant, or elderly person needs it on public transit... and When someone does something nice for me I respond with a small acknowledgement .. be that a homebaked pie or a small token of my appreciation... So when I read your post it made me smile.. Maybe what i need to do is move to the mid west.

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RE: FW Dialogue - 9/26/2009 2:26:48 PM   
XaviersXian


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Status: offline 		Hello everyone,

Here is a post I made (which someone gave me the idea to cross-post to here) on the slave's thread.  They suggested that I may be able to get help with it from those who identify as Free Women:

greetings to all,

Please forgive me if this makes no sense (my thoughts are still very much all over the place on this). 

I've been wrestling with something that my Master said to me the other day.  When asking him exactly what I was, and what our relationship was, he said "you are my slave, but generally speaking, we are in an unequal partnership".  He also mentioned (on a separate occasion) that as long as I am his version of a slave, and obey him, he doesn't care what I personally choose to believe, or how I label myself in the general community.

Ever since then, I've started to look further into the Free Woman side of Gorean philosophy.  Do my Master's comments (according to gorean philosophy) actually make me a free woman?.  I lack the understanding to be clear on it. 

I have been hesitant to assert myself one way or the other lately, for fear of upsetting or insulting anyone.

Thoughts from the more experienced?

well wishes,
 
Any help given or information that may help me to continue to try to become clear within myself would be greatly appreciated.

have a wonderful day!

xian

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RE: FW Dialogue - 9/26/2009 4:16:10 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		Greetings xian,

I of course am not a Free Woman, but I will ask a question that may clarify things for you. There is no need to answer me, it is a question for yourself.

Do you believe you are prepared to make a decision that may be against the wishes of your owner? Are you prepared to have your own values of what is right and wrong, that may be in opposition to your owner? Do you have an internal code that you live by, that is actually the primary guiding part of what directs you? If it comes down to it, are you ready to stand on your own?

Hope this gives you more food for thought.

take care,
Orion

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/2/2009 7:27:30 AM   
amelliagrace


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Greetings, Women!

Seems it has been a year busier than usual, and even more full of change than the average, for a lot of us. I hope that you are all doing well, prospering in your endeavors, slaying dragons, and forging foward with self discovery. You are thought of frequently, in spite of the fact that I'm not posting much.

So far this calendar year I've:
Seen one child launch into the adult world, another pass from the Realm of Little Boys to the challenging, amusing, and frequently exasperating world of Middle School Testosterone Explosion.

Developed more of a social life, exploring a few aspects of that I didn't take the time to when I was younger. Its been educational, LOL.

Made a couple people intensely unhappy - or so they say. Me, I think their unhappiness is of their own construction, but I digress...

Discoverd a few very old friends, getting to know them again, yet for the first time.

Made a couple drastic changes in my personal life, with a couple more in the foreseeable future.

Had one knee surgery, with another once coming up in December.

Embarked on a relationship that is.....hmmmmmm.....decidedly different from any and all previous ones. ~!~ Thank God ~!~ Not sure where it is going, can't really think of a good way to categorize it (which is pretty cool) but am certainly enjoying the ride, and the life lessons, and the se.....never mind.

Been watching my remaining parent begin to fail in ways that are sometimes frustrating, sometimes sad, sometimes enlightening.

Anyone else have an update to share?

Gracie

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/2/2009 7:42:49 AM   
Sylverdawn


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Status: offline 		Dear Grace... sounds like you have had a busy busy year of growth..

My year thus far..

hmmmm... well things within our household seem to have reached a plateau.. six years and I think we are all finally finding a level of comfortableness ( yes I know not a word call its an SDism) with each other.. mainly I think this has alot to do with me and me not trying to make them do things the way I think they should be done.. so I am keeping my fingers outta the pie so to speak.. and infact I find that I like it better this way..

Im thinking about starting my own business its in the planning stages right now.. and its just a small thing something I can do from the house and will not tax me...

Im looking forward to His birthday this year.. I have finally managed to give him the only thing he has ever asked for other than theperfect slave..Tickets to a Steeler game in KC ... when they came in the mail and I showed him the seats.. end zone first row.. I think he had a personal moment Im not sure but he got a dreamy look on his face and went somewhere special ..laughing..

thats about it for right now... .

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/7/2009 1:53:15 PM   
XaviersXian


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Status: offline 		Hello everyone,

I'm back with another question.  For those who started out as slaves to their FC's, what would you say are the practical differences between the stations of slave to your man, and FC to him? (if any at all?)

well wishes,

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/8/2009 8:29:23 PM   
Sylverdawn


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Status: offline 		Yes, there is a significant difference..its about focus, self determination and personal space.. your focus is not Him, you determine for yourself your own moral and ethical codes,  and you have the right to personal space both physically and mentally.

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Being a women is hard work Maya Angelou

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/10/2009 9:05:42 PM   
CandleSwitch


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Status: offline 		I'm curious as to what age you were when you
A.  Became interested in Gorean philosophy and life   23. We met while both lurking in a Gorean rp room in 1999. He asked me if I wanted to play, as he'd read the books in middle school, but I had never heard of them. We became friends and talked online almost all day, everyday, while he was at work.
B.  Began to think of and identify yourself as Gorean Mid 2000.
C.  Became a slave (if you were one prior to being a FW) May 2000. I submitted to him while visiting for his birthday from out of state, but I am not a good slave, and about two years passed before I "cracked". I've been back and forth between the two ever since, and currently not sure where I fit. His Goreans friends didn't know how to relate to me once I was not a slave, and he still doesn't.
D.  Became an FW
and if there were any particular life events that fascilitated, mandated, or precipitated a the change in your status.  See above.
 
I'd also be interested in hearing from the Gorean FWs , what you consider to be some of the most signifigant events in your life that either challenged your philosophical veiws, or brought about change in them.

I will answer this from the free perspective, since I think I fit that category best, despite what I do in order to please him. When I have felt it was necessary to pull out of our M/s relationship, it was due to trust issues. Much of the time it feels like he does not want to be responsible for his actions or what he says. We had another girl living with us for awhile, and that did not work out due to problems between them that I am still not privy to years later. Recently, he had another relationship with a girl in another city, and she told him he wanted a robot. That was the same thing I had told him on many occasions. One day he writes to me that he wants to take care of me and my daughter, and then the next he is telling me that I should have no expectations of him. I don't need his financial support, and he is not emotionally supportive when I am worried or scared about things, so I lost those expectations of being "cherished, treasured, handled" etc. He insists it is possible for a slave to be her Master's best friend, but that has never made sense to me. Best friends share everything, and seldom have secrets, etc. A Master is of course permitted to have any secrets he wishes. If someone can explain to me how it would work, it would be welcomed.
When I am free, we are like best buddies. He pats me on the head sometimes or hugs me, but that is about the extent of our physical relationship. As stated before, his Gorean friends can barely look at me or carry on a conversation, and I end up losing the conversational ability with one or two girls I was able to speak to on occasion when we visited. I can only guess this is because their owner does not want them to be influenced by my ideas. I don't know, and if I ask, I'm being the contrary one.
To make a long story even longer, this causes me to question my philosophical viewpoints. This back and forth has been going on for ten years now, and I am tired to say the least, so my apologies if it seems I rambled. I am not a lazy person. I work full time, go to school full time (w/ a 3.37 GPA), raise my daughter, clean house, run the errands/grocery shop, volunteer for a local nonprofit, and act as VP for another nonprofit for animals from domestic abuse households.
D

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/18/2009 3:00:29 AM   
sunshinemiss


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sylverdawn

Yes, there is a significant difference..its about focus, self determination and personal space.. your focus is not Him, you determine for yourself your own moral and ethical codes,  and you have the right to personal space both physically and mentally.


Well now that is some seriously succinct information.  While I didn't ask the question, I sure do appreciate the answer!

have a great day,
Sunshine


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the most amazing wonderful glorious food I have - is anything as long as I'm with a friend.
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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/18/2009 4:29:09 AM   
sunshinemiss


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Maahsatti

Greetings candleswitch

IMO, a slave indeed is a slave, owned or unowned.
I personally have always felt, slavery comes from within the girls heart and soul, it is what she is, not what she becomes, per se.

Of course when a slave becomes owned, her Master helps her grow and thrive within her slavery,but you are quite right, many girls unowned serve the free with great passion and desire to one day be owned by a good man and Master.

I wish you well,
FW Maahsatti



Hello Maahsatti,
I'm curious.  Your stance is that a slave is a slave.  But so many Free Women have been slaves.  How does your theory work with that? 

*Not being argumentative here, just curious.

Best,
sunshine

Hello Maahsatti,
You may choose to not answer my question, and that is fine.  What is not fine is to send me a private email full of inaccurate presumptions and orders.  I don't take orders from you or anybody.

Next time, speak your mind in public instead of taking the sneaky way.

Best,
sunshine


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~Confucio
the most amazing wonderful glorious food I have - is anything as long as I'm with a friend.
~me

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/18/2009 5:59:26 AM   
Sylverdawn


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Status: offline 		chuckles.. thank you sunshinemiss... occasionally I am able to tame the beast of verbosity ... and get to the point..not often mind  you...


and you too have a great day.

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/18/2009 6:13:59 AM   
Sylverdawn


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Status: offline 		Alright Ladies...

Thanksgiving is upon us.... and in all the hussle and bussle of holiday prep... what are we most thankful this year for beside my trusty recipe box and the ability to mutlitask..

So.. I am thankful for...The love of a good Man, that I found WoW this year... that each day has been extraordinary in its own way... and that I have grown more in knowing myself this year .. so thank you my Lady friends in helping me in that...

SD

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/18/2009 10:34:27 AM   
Maahsatti


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Status: offline 		Another dime a dozen. What a shock.

Hows that for speaking my mind openly?

good bye *click*

Mistress Maahsatti

sunshinemiss,

I am a Gorean FW and as such I am addressed as Mistress Maahsatti.
I suggest you ask your Mistress that question, since she once was a slave as well.
There will be at times for various individuals some confusion of their status, as they grow and learn and experience, that confusion turns to clarity and they then make what they consider to be the final choice about who they are inside and where they belong in this life.

Now, while it is obvious and well known to you I am sure, your owners and myself are at odds. So be it..they are free to live their lives as they see fit, as am I and things go on just peachy providing all concerned behave as the adults we are and not sling mud at one another while sharing this message board, etc.

This will unfortunately be my last and only reply to you sunshine as your owners have instructed you not to address me appropriately and I in turn will not sit and debate argue or let it cause upset to any involved by those actions I just mentioned.

you are an owned slave and compelled to obey your owners commands and I have never tried to sway any slave from obeying her owners wishes and I am not about to start now.
So, if you have any further confusion or questions, take them to your Mistress.

serve well,
Mistress Maahsatti

Normally I do not openly post private messages, but felt this time it was appropriate, ...yeah, a real sneaky thing to do...pfft.


< Message edited by Maahsatti -- 11/18/2009 10:37:48 AM >

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/18/2009 12:10:56 PM   
ElizabethAnne


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Ok.  Well, I had planned on not getting involved in this bruhaha, however, I am going to clarify a couple of points. 

Sunshinemiss is no longer owned by my FC, therefore I am not her Mistress; in fact I am not aware she is owned by anyone.  She stated clearly she takes orders from no one.   Which, since she is not owned, and therefore NOT a slave, there is no reason for her to address anyone by anything unless she so chooses.   Brule's orders to her are null and void obviously.

Though I will say this much, a slave is to obey her Master.  Period.  Which, any former slave knows, including myself.   Let me think about this for a moment, obey your Master you serve 24/7, or obey an on line name.  To me that's a no brainer, it was way back when, it is now.   I'm not sure why it was necessary to make your email public, or why I was mentioned.   Perhaps you should have gotten all the facts before shooting from the hip.

I wish you well,

Liz

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/18/2009 1:27:26 PM   
MiataQT


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Status: offline 		Hello, Ladies.
In respect to the comment "a slave is a slave": While that may be true, if I recall correctly, a slave is a slave until a Free Man frees her. Is that not so?
Later.
Bobbi

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/18/2009 2:59:14 PM   
Maahsatti


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quote:

you are an owned slave and compelled to obey your owners commands and I have never tried to sway any slave from obeying her owners wishes and I am not about to start now.


Hello Liz,
Perhaps if you read a bit more carefully, hmm?
as far as her not being owned anymore..I do not involve myself in her or your affairs and she should have been more specific, simple.
but still, a slave is a slave is a slave..UNLESS her owner specifically made her a FW not just release her.
whichever he did with her is not my concern, or care.

Perhaps we can let the drama of As Gor turns, die down now.

Barbara

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Gorean women, whether slave or Free,know, that their simple presence, brings joy to men,and I cannot think but that this pleases them.
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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/18/2009 3:08:38 PM   
ElizabethAnne


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Status: offline 		Hello Babs,

She was very specific, she stated clearly she took orders from no one.   Perhaps YOU should have read more carefully, n'est-ce pas??  How can a woman be a slave IF she isn't mastered?   Whether a woman is "freed" or "released", she is no longer owned, no longer a slave.   A woman must be mastered to be a slave.   Pretty simple. 

And frankly had you NOT involved yourself in others affairs, and chosen to make public a private email, there would have been zero drama. 

Have a good night,

Liz

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/18/2009 3:14:04 PM   
MiataQT


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Status: offline 		Did you ladies want to take this to a private e-mail?

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/18/2009 4:52:03 PM   
AlwaysLisa


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Status: offline 		Greetings,

I love the "what am I thankful for" threads, thank you for starting one!    Also, I don't mean to tread in places I shouldn't be, so if a non gorean womans thoughts are not welcomed, I shall completely understand and tippy toe myself right outta here!

*Ahem*... What I am thankful for...

The fact I am still able to sit up and take nourishment.  Approaching 50, I take every day as a blessing, cuz you just never know.   I try and tell my husband how much I appreciate and love him, how thankful I am that 11 years ago I stumbled into a chat room online to find him throwing a fit and that he was mildly receptive to my approaching him and making the trip to be at his feet.  Im thankful for all the folks we have met along the way, good and bad, as both were party to the growth and final destination acheived today.

Im thankful for good friends, who were there for me when my family left me, one by one and who continue to lift my spirits during the Holiday Season when things still hit home. 

Im thankful for a man who came to the same realizations, who understands me better then I do myself, who remains the strength in our union,the one I can turn to for support....or a swift kick in the butt when I need one.

When things get low and it's easy to wallow in the self pity mire, writing out all we  have and are thankful for is the best way to pick oneself up.   Here's hoping 2010 will be filled with good cheer, close friends and prosperity.

Lisa

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