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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/18/2009 5:25:33 PM

Mitzie

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I think I need to re read this tomorow

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"The free should not be slave, and the slave should not be free," he said. "I do not understand," she said. "Just as it is wrong for the properly free to be enslaved," he said, "so, too, it is wrong for the properly enslaved to be free."PoG

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/18/2009 6:26:31 PM

Elisabella

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Just my opinion, I'm not particularly friends with Maahsatti here or anything, but if someone called me out for replying to them privately, instead of publicly, I would see no problem with reposting my own private message publicly.

I'm not saying it was a nice message, or anything, only that if I try to take something off boards and someone publicly calls me out on it and asks for my words to be made public, I'd stand by my words and do so.

Regarding the topic "a slave is a slave" and how there have been FW who have been slaves, I personally believe that very few if any people are the same person at 20 as they are at 40, or even 25. I also think it's possible to try something and realize it's not for you (as in my own case, a few years back I thought I wanted to be a slave, I tried it, and I realized it didn't fulfill me) so I think that it's irrelevant whether or not a FW was at one point in time a slave. What matters is if she is currently living up to the ideals and responsibilities of a FW, or whether she still holds onto a slave morality.

Again, JMO. Take it with a grain of salt. And possibly a shot of tequila and a lime.

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/18/2009 7:15:41 PM

Maahsatti

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Get over it Liz, really, if you want my attention that much, lets take Miata's advice and take it private.

You have your opinion's I have mine and NO, the girl was not specific and if she was not specifically released AS a FW, she is still a slave...(IMO)

Have a Lovely Night
Barbara

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/18/2009 7:23:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mitzie

I think I need to re read this tomorow

I'm hoping for more tonight

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And there was light... and her finger was on the switch.

Give the kid the pick of pips,
And give him all your stripes and ribbons.
Now he's sitting in his hole,
He might as well have buttons and bows.

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/18/2009 7:53:05 PM

Elisabella

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Hi Elizabeth,

CM wouldn't let me reply to your mail, suffice it to say I see your point.

I hope you and Brule are enjoying the winter season. I'm stuck in perpetual summerland with a man who has never seen snow. In his life.

*just shakes my head*

Best wishes,
Bella

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/24/2009 4:41:38 AM

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Mornin' Folks,

Gracie, I read your "update" thread some time ago, and after the year I've had thought, there is no way I wanted to respond.   Suffice to say, I'll be glad to say goodbye to 2009. Then I read some "thankful" posts. So instead of dwelling on what a horrible year it has been, I am going to choose to look at what has made me thankful this year.

And this morning, two days before Dead Turkey Day, I'm glad to focus on the many good things in my life.   I lost my Mom this year, and yes she is deeply missed, yet, in my sorrow at her passing, I've come to realize the depth of lessons she taught.

Because of the death of one of my best friends from high school, I have reconnected with one of my other best friends.   And I've been able to smile at the crazy things we did all those many years ago. Roxie's laugh still echoes in my head, such wonderful memories.

Then there was kit, someone I met early on in the lifestyle, someone who I always thought I would see again, but once more, I can hear her giggling, and smile at the memories I do have. She would like that I think, she would not want anyone to be unhappy. She was so full of life, and her laugh was so infectious and contagious.

I have the love of a good man, one that I depend on, one that can be depended on; One I love and because I love him, I need him. It's been humbling to me to realize the depth of our relationship. I cannot imagine having gone through this year without him, without his strength, and his enduring patience.

My very adult daughter, graduated from college, it's amazing watching her soar, relating to her as an adult. Brule's oldest son, the one that lives with us, getting ready to graduate from high school in May, seeing how far he's come in the time he has lived here. His excitement at following his Dad by going into the Air Force. What a source of pride he has become for me. (of course that is IF he is allowed to live through his senior year). heh.....

I would be remiss if I didn't mention how very glad I am to re-unite with an old dear friend. One that is quick to kick me the ass when necessary, and who just as quickly and fiercely will come to battle with white teeth gleaming at my side.    And there are the three Golden Girls, (I make the 4th) whom I could not imagine as not being a part of my daily life.   My cheerleaders when things have gone so horrible this year.   And so many other people I cherish that comprise my world. I am indeed a very fortunate woman, and I look forward to the joys 2010 will bring.

Thank you Grace for helping me to bring the "good things of 2009" to my mind.

Liz

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RE: FW Dialogue - 11/24/2009 9:32:55 AM

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Every once in a while I get an email that asks, where are you. Well I am still here but decided to take a necessary step away from the public very late last year. What an awesome year it has been too. Removed from worrying about playing “I am better then you” I got to focus on me without all the petty crap.

This spring we upgraded to the wonderful world of RV ing. Met some very awesome people this summer while doing it. On ladies weekend I was delighted to meet a the mother of one my new friends. As the mom was sitting in the cold drizzle around a roaring fire beaming from ear to ear just so happy to be with all of us I couldn’t help but be amazed at her. Here sat a woman who suffered a horrible stroke, had to learn to walk and talk again. Lost her husband (the cad) and house while in the hospital. Lost everything but found joy is in the small things. Like sitting in the rain around a camp fire with friends. Adds perspective to life doesn’t it.

I celebrated in joy the 30th birthday of a woman who told the Grim Reaper to shove it. Suffering for the past two years with terminal brain cancer she has gone through open heart surgery, coma more then once, insurmountable pain and still jokes like a trooper! While she is a online gaming friend for the past 2 and half years she is like my sister. Her courage, strength and fighting spirit has become my inspiration. I hope to ring in the New Year with her as she tells the Grim Reaper to F off, again.

My son and his soon to be wife bought their first home this year. Next month my husband and I will make the long trek out to see it first hand. I have learned that being so far from him is tougher then I thought. How I wanted to jump into the truck and just drive down to help him move, help my daughter in law settle in. Hug both of them as they went on the roller coaster journey of buying a house. In a mere short few months my son will be doing his third deployment overseas, Christmas time will be very special indeed.

Life is not about taking a series and living details of it verbatim. The spirit and essences found in Norman’s work is all around us if we open our eyes to see it. I have to admit the banter about what is a slave yada yada yada I don’t miss at all, in fact, find it rather foolish, insignificant and well, waste of time. What is a free woman, well I will tell you, it’s that lady sitting in her hospital bed fighting tooth and nail. It’s the lady sitting around that camp fire, walking, joking, moving on. Life is about friends, family, struggling, joys and sorrows. Freedom is embracing all of it and not laying down to die.

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RE: FW Dialogue - 12/3/2009 7:03:24 AM

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Thank you, Liz and Jahnaca. Today I needed to read those posts. As I said elswhere this morning, "Some days just call for better drugs than others."

Gracie

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RE: FW Dialogue - 12/15/2009 11:50:23 AM

estah

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Greetings Mistresses,

I would like to thank you for your stories about caring for family and the choices associated with this. It gave me the courage and focus I needed to follow my goal. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

verity

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RE: FW Dialogue - 12/16/2009 10:40:08 PM

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Hi Ladies,

Christmas is rapidly approaching and with it all the things that tend to cause problems, such as buying gifts for those who have everything already. Spending time with family members that you dislike, and the inevitable just how many arguments will there be when the drinks start flowing and the accusations of cheating over the games start ( though I have to admit I enjoy the cheating accusations as my favourite game has cheating as a necessary component).

I have often thought though that what Christmas is tends to be lost somewhere in the mass of overeating, drinking and present buying. And while I know that peace on earth is an impossibility I am trying my best for peace, happiness and lots of laughter in my own home this year.

I think that for me what Christmas stands for more than anything is the image of a family together, new life and hope, and while my family will be together in a terraced house rather than a stable we will all be together, all safe and hopefully with the right spirit of Christmas (rather than the spirit out of a bottle) in our hearts.

So here is to all of our families this Christmas, those together and those apart, may you all find peace and joy and a measure of Christmas in your hearts no matter where you are or what religion you follow.

Cheryl

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RE: FW Dialogue - 12/17/2009 12:05:10 AM

Maahsatti

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Hi Cheryl,

Thank you so much for sharing that with us.
First, here is wishing you the Merriest of Christmas' and the Happiest of New Years, to you.
Also, we can not begin to even dream to having good will and peace on earth till in fact we can create it within our own hearts and families first, so you hit the nail on the head when hoping and wishing for your family to obtain those most worthy goals.

Much care,
Babs

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