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FW Dialogue - 1/12/2008 10:52:29 PM

amelliagrace

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Welcome, and enjoy!

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/13/2008 3:10:04 AM

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/13/2008 10:08:00 AM

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Good afternoon Grace :-)

Is this like the slave support thread? And are there parameters you would like to adhere to with this thread?
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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/13/2008 10:37:30 AM

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Greetings,
This might actually be a good place to post a few quotes that were shared with me just last night :-) When i heard them, they resonated with my core and i would be most interested in the thoughts of others on this side~

quote:

From the Travis McGee Series

This was the mature female of the species, vivid, handsome and strong, demanding that all the life and need within her be matched. Her instinct would immediately detect any hedging, any dishonesty, any less than complete response to her -- and then she would be gone for good. Wholeness was all she could comprehend or accept.

quote:

A woman who does not guard and treasure herself cannot be of very much value to anyone else. They become a pretty little convenience, like a guest towel. And the cute little things they say, and their dainty little squeals of pleasure and release are as contrived as the embroidered initials on the guest towels. Only a woman of pride, complexity and emotional tension is genuinely worth the act of love, and there are only two ways to get yourself one of them. Either you lie, and stain the relationship with your own sense of guile, or you accept the involvement, the emotional responsibility, the permanence she must by nature crave.

Personally, i do NOT see either of these quotes as putting a woman in a dominant position. But rather one of submissive strength to the strongest of the male species. Thoughts?

j

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/13/2008 11:22:54 AM

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Hiya, j-

This thread is a place for Free Women to talk. I personally do not have a specific vision for it, other than as a thread where any and everything that comes to the mind of a FW can be presented for thought, dialogue, and exchange of ideas. In time it will take on a personality and flavor of its own, flowing along in whatever manner the natural interactions of the participants dictate.

The thread title, btw, was chosen unanimously by six of the FW posters in this forum, four Gorean and two other.

Thanks for the question and support-
Grace

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/13/2008 2:14:23 PM

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Hi Grace
While I have no "Rules" to discuss per se, I do have a couple of requests and hopefully they will help the thread be useful and not spiral down into sniping and stuff that seems to happen here.
1. No name calling. This includes anything but the person's name. Telling them they are stupid, an idiot, a moron, etc., is not fair game and is vulgar to boot. Let's just not.
2. No bad jokes at the expense of men or slaves. I know, but trust me on this one.
3. When someone says, "agree to disagree" the argument should be over. Don't post back, don't try to bait the person. Suck it up and walk away.
4. Try to keep the tone respectful. Remember the place we are in and the fact that within the Gorean ethos, it is about the men.
5. To quote smilezz "Good grief."(thank you smilezz) Use the ignore button and try not to give people who are annoying an audience. You know who they are. When you reply to them you are only giving them the attention they want. I personally think it is a bad idea.

It is my honest hope that this thread can be a valuable way to help show what free women really are and what they think. I hope it does not perpetuate the stereotype of frigid bitch; we have enough of that already.
I wish you well, and hope to see valuable and lively discussion here.
Ygraine

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/13/2008 2:30:53 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: amelliagrace

The thread title, btw, was chosen unanimously by six of the FW posters in this forum, four Gorean and two other.

Heya Grace,

Wow, unanimous! Six women actually agreed on something! Very cool. And like you and Y said, I think this thread can and will be used for very positive idea and lively exchanges.

Take care,

Liz

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/13/2008 2:46:30 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ElizabethAnne

quote:

ORIGINAL: amelliagrace

The thread title, btw, was chosen unanimously by six of the FW posters in this forum, four Gorean and two other.

Heya Grace,

Wow, unanimous! Six women actually agreed on something! Very cool. And like you and Y said, I think this thread can and will be used for very positive idea and lively exchanges.

Take care,

Liz

Interesting, no? Five of those votes were cast by the individuals, one was of the proxy variety. One individual apparently didn't get the vote memo, and thus hasn't voted (may not be online much at the moment, or for someother reason. One individual initially contacted has not read the cmails sent, thus no response there.

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/13/2008 3:06:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: dawntreader

Greetings,
This might actually be a good place to post a few quotes that were shared with me just last night :-) When i heard them, they resonated with my core and i would be most interested in the thoughts of others on this side~

quote:

From the Travis McGee Series

This was the mature female of the species, vivid, handsome and strong, demanding that all the life and need within her be matched. Her instinct would immediately detect any hedging, any dishonesty, any less than complete response to her -- and then she would be gone for good. Wholeness was all she could comprehend or accept.

quote:

A woman who does not guard and treasure herself cannot be of very much value to anyone else. They become a pretty little convenience, like a guest towel. And the cute little things they say, and their dainty little squeals of pleasure and release are as contrived as the embroidered initials on the guest towels. Only a woman of pride, complexity and emotional tension is genuinely worth the act of love, and there are only two ways to get yourself one of them. Either you lie, and stain the relationship with your own sense of guile, or you accept the involvement, the emotional responsibility, the permanence she must by nature crave.

Personally, i do NOT see either of these quotes as putting a woman in a dominant position. But rather one of submissive strength to the strongest of the male species. Thoughts?

j

I'd agree those quotes are interesting, and that they resonate with me on many points. They strike me much the way they do you, as a strong individual with freedom at her core, and one not willing be parted from either her nature or her freedom - yet one who is not inherently opposed to taking the second in command post in relation to a chosen partner. My view on this is a non-Gorean viewpoint, imo, in the sense that it rests the outcome half or more as compared with the actions of the men in her life. I consider the rest of my view expressed above to lie well within Gorean ethos.

The highlighted sentence in the quotes can, to my way of thinking, be seen as applicable to both slave and FW, depending on the female and the male, and ones paradigm.

Best-
Grace

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/13/2008 3:41:33 PM

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I know sometimes it seems amazing that a group of women can come to independent decisions that agree. It’s a nice uncomplicated name.

As for the quotes seeing this is a free woman forum I have an interesting one from another book that made me think, when I get time I will type it out. Its one of the clearest descriptions of the difference between being free and a slave I have ever seen and yet it is a book that has no bearing on those subjects at all, instead in that one place it is talking about safety and wanting to remain a child V growing up and making your own choices.

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/13/2008 6:05:22 PM

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Awesome idea Grace

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/13/2008 6:29:21 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: amelliagrace

I'd agree those quotes are interesting, and that they resonate with me on many points. They strike me much the way they do you, as a strong individual with freedom at her core, and one not willing be parted from either her nature or her freedom - yet one who is not inherently opposed to taking the second in command post in relation to a chosen partner. Best-
Grace

Greetings Grace :-)
i had a feeling they would resonate with you as well and i love the eloquent way you expressed your thoughts
j

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/13/2008 11:39:08 PM

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Hi Grace
I mentioned a FW thread quite a few months ago back now ,
I have not been on the boards much recently as I have been otherwise engaged at home but I will keep a look out on here in case anything interesting is brought up

Mitzie

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/14/2008 9:21:45 AM

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Happy Monday, Ladies!

I'm curious as to what age you were when you
A. Became interested in Gorean philosophy and life
B. Began to think of and identify yourself as Gorean
C. Became a slave (if you were one prior to being a FW)
D. Became an FW
and if there were any particular life events that fascilitated, mandated, or precipitated a the change in your status.

I'd also be interested in hearing from the Gorean FWs , what you consider to be some of the most signifigant events in your life that either challenged your philosophical veiws, or brought about change in them.

For the non-Gorean FWs:

Were you at any point a non-Gorean slave prior to becoming a FW?
At what age did you become a slave?
An FW?
Do you differentiate between being "submissive" and being "slave"?
Do you consider yourself to be a dominant?

Were there any specific events in your life which either fascilitated, mandated, or precipitated this change?
What particular points of philosophy and lifestyle keep you from identifying as a Gorean?
What aspects of Gorean philosophy and interaction with Goreans cause you to spend time in this particular Gorean forum?

May your day be pleasant and productive-
Grace

Edited to fix a minor point for clarity's sake, because I screwed it up the first time around. Heh...nuttin new there.

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/14/2008 10:01:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mitzie

Hi Grace
I mentioned a FW thread quite a few months ago back now ,
I have not been on the boards much recently as I have been otherwise engaged at home but I will keep a look out on here in case anything interesting is brought up

Mitzie

Nice to see you, Mitzie. I figured you must have been otherwise occupied, having not seen you post lately. I'm glad to see that your are doing well, and have been away due to the business of life rather than health.

If you don't see anything interesting in this thread when you pop in, I hope that you'll post something to get an interesting conversation started.

Regards-
Grace

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/14/2008 10:14:36 AM

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Question for Dawntreader:

Have you seen "I Am Legend" yet, j? I've been interested to hear what you thought of it.

Regards-
Grace

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/14/2008 3:55:16 PM

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hya Grace
yes been away a little at the weekends my time has been at home and not online ,

quote:

I'm curious as to what age you were when you
A. Became interested in Gorean philosophy and life
B. Began to think of and identify yourself as Gorean
C. Became a slave (if you were one prior to being a FW)
D. Became an FW
and if there were any particular life events that fascilitated, mandated, or precipitated a the change in your status.

I will answer a few questions here

I guess my life has been a little strange as I have always been an Alpha female or so I thought lol ,

I first encountered Gor almost 5 years ago on a chat site a Dom friend of mine invited me to a D/s room and there was some people in there who lived the lifestyle and I was attracted to the men as they seemed different to a Dom they had an air about them which its hard to explain ,

I then went on a mission reading the books going in different Gor chatrooms ect and then last August I went into a chatroom on here called the Black Tarn and found people there who lived the lifestyle ,

I met a few FW who lived the life real time who helped me an awful lot in finding my true self and for that I thank them ,

I have never been a slave real life and I never want to be one I will admit to doing things in my past that was not FW behaviour but I call that a learning stage and I dare say many a FW will admit to doing things in there past that was not proper for a FW ,

Some people will say there is nothing worse than a FW who was once a slave and that they become bitter and twisted once freed in the way they treat slaves I believe sometimes this is true ,

this is Earth not Gor slaves are slaves yes but if I had a slave and her mum was seriously ill would I send her to her mum hell yes I would to not do so is being pure selfish but thats my feelings ,

some say I might be to soft with slaves but if I get things done what I want done who are they to judge what I do ?,

I am and will always still be learning my role in life and I thank those who have shown me the way they have helped a lot in my becoming who I am ,

ok thats it for now I will add more maybe at a later date

Mitzie

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/14/2008 6:13:50 PM

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Tal Ladies and all others who read this;

I first want to thank Grace for cmailing me and bringing this up. To me it shows we really do wish to interact on a basis of civility. Second I want to thank the people I talked to who listened when we spoke of this. Third, I am glad to be here contributing.

It may take me some time to respond, I have a mare that is sick, she has been sick for days now, finally Sunday we had to take her back to the vet again because she got much much worse. In fact last night the vet told me she was even more sick and didn't expect her to live, with a 90% disadvantage, she managed to pull through this morning. The last time I talked to him she was at a normal temperature, it had been very high, she has responded to the antibiotics, and she even drank and pooped. We do not know about the baby yet, it could have died inside her, time will tell, he is unable to check her as she is too irritated to go any further than he has. I was so relieved this morning finding the news out. If ya'll could send a little prayer for her I would really appreciate it. It has worked so far, and wouldn't hurt if a few more got invovled. Thank you.

A. Became interested in Gorean philosophy and life I have always been Gorean as a definiton by the books. I have had a Home Stone since I was 20. I even called it a Home Stone and I had never read a book until I was 38. Anyhow, the life I have researched for years and found the Master/slave, and Natural Order simply amazing. I have also studied the civil war specifically about the slaves. I did a thesis on this during college, was interesting to say the very least.

At what age did you become a slave? An FW? I was a Fw when I first came online. I couldn't imagine being a slave at all ever. I started about 12 years ago, and then became a slave when I was about 8 yrs a Fw, then stayed slave for 2 years, and became a Fw when Tavares told me to, now 2.5yrs later.
and if there were any particular life events that fascilitated, mandated, or precipitated a the change in your status. Well, no life events, I just had to be a slave, I just knew it was right for me, I had thought of it for about a year, talked to others, wondered, pondered and finally tried very hard to be one. I sucked at it, but continued to try as I felt the need to serve someone deep inside, but what I have come to know, is that I really wanted someone to come into my life and be a man to me, a real man. I found Tavares.

And answering another question, to Mitzie, no I did not meet Tavares online. I met him in Colorado on US 287 driving down the road. Both of us in different big trucks. We talked and he has always shown me what a real man was, I loved him the moment I saw him and have never stopped. He is the answer to my prayers for finding a man. He has everything I asked God for, everything, and I asked for some pretty wild things too. :)

I wish ya'll well

Terrah

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/14/2008 8:49:58 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: amelliagrace

Question for Dawntreader:

Have you seen "I Am Legend" yet, j? I've been interested to hear what you thought of it.

Regards-
Grace

Greetings Grace :-)
i hope to see it this weekend! i will give you my best siskell and ebert afterwards
peace of vampires,
j

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RE: FW Dialogue - 1/15/2008 5:12:19 AM

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Tal Terrah
sorry to hear about the mare I do hope she pulls through and has a full recovery I will light a candle ,

We have spoken before about Tavares you do have a good Man there and I am pleased for you,

take care

Mitzie

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