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Finding a second kajira - 8/29/2005 7:34:57 AM

gtpmaster61

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warm greetings to all kajira

Well as many of you know from first hand experience finding a second girl is worse than pulling teeth. even here on the collarme web site, you run into so many wannabe's those who claim they are kajira, but end up being Free women in disguise. You know the type I mean, Trying to tell a Master what they want or what they think he should do, I am sure that many of you out there have run into them, (if you have not then you are extremely lucky) All I am seeking is a kajira willing to make the lifetime commitment to service as my first girl has done, Is that to much to hope for? I do not think so which is why the search continues, I know somewhere out there she is waiting for me to find her and give her a Home. Does anyone know of any other sites where I might also search for this elusive creature?
Sincerely Master Randy

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/29/2005 8:40:07 AM

DesertRat

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Shouldn't this personal ad be on the other side of the site? In other words, in the profiles rather than the forums?

Bob

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/29/2005 2:12:18 PM

nella

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i dont see anything world whit a slave girl saying what she wants before she is yours. For example a slave girl that love the contryside and animals might say, i want to live near animals and i want to stay a vegitarian, that is not saying she is not a slave, it is saying, for me to be happy, i need theese things, and i wish to be happy, if that is not okey for you, look somplace else.

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/29/2005 2:53:07 PM

edana

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quote:

All I am seeking is a kajira willing to make the lifetime commitment to service as my first girl has done, Is that to much to hope for?

Greetings, Master GTP.

I beg to make a statement based on rl observation that may help you, or may not...

for me as for many girls out there who were/are seeking to be owned, the question of who we submit to is formost in our minds. We are looking for our ideal master "so to speak" Or as i have expressed it before... our natural master.

there are several men out there who said i was not the "real thing" as well... but thats becuase i was not "thier" real thing. and that pissed them off.

As you found your first girl i am sure if you are patient enough, you will find your second. but please understand that just becasue a girl does not conduct herself as "your"slave ... do not discount the fact that she will be "somebody's slave" one day.

In service,

edana

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/29/2005 3:39:04 PM

FelinePersuasion

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It's not your place to call any one pretenders gpt. Any one who is not your slave personally has the right to speak up for what they want, or may need. Don't delude yourself into thinking it's only all about the Master. If you do you'll probably find yourself searching for that second for a very long time, or finding a doormat who'd do anything any one told them or expected of them regardless to whom they was.

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/29/2005 6:29:11 PM

lisaSea

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Greetings Masters, Mistresses and slaves :)

Mistress FelinePersuasion,

I was instructed to "lay low" for awhile as Master felt I was posting too much on this forum. I have been allowed one post a week and your words prompted me to use up my alloted time,

I cannot speak for the Master who posted the original question, rather I am commenting on how I interpreted his words and addressing your reply to him.

You wrote, Mistress:

Don't delude yourself into thinking it's only all about the Master. If you do you'll probably find yourself searching for that second for a very long time, or finding a doormat who'd do anything any one told them or expected of them regardless to whom they was.

Mistress, I am no doormat. Nor are the women I have had the pleasure to meet. We do however, put our owners needs first and foremost. My take on the Masters question was that he was speaking of "after the collar", though I do not know this for certain. In this case, yes, once that collar is on the neck the time for "me,me,me" is over. The time for questions and finding out what it is that will be expected is BEFORE begging the collar.

Are there days I struggle from bed and wish I had the luxury of sleeping in? You betcha. Those 4am mornings are darn chilly. Master has, when I am down with some form of cold or flu, permitted me to stay in bed and rest. This is not because it is all about me...this is a man taking care of what he owns. There is a difference between the Master making the decision and the "slave" deciding for herself what she will and will not do. Again, I cannot stress enough that the time for questions and answers are prior to the collar.

I didn't get the impression the Master was denying a woman the rights to make up her own mind or come to decisions on what would make her happy. It sounded to me as if he was frustrated at the number of women who beg a collar and then change their mind when things don't go their way. This however is simply my take on the post, how I read the words. *smiles*

Committment and dedication are something sorely lacking in many of todays relationships, (imho). Because a woman loves a man, is committed to him and dedicated to pleasing him and putting his needs first, does not mean she is a doormat. It "could" mean she is some man's slave

Best of wishes Mistress,

lisa
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(formerly lisaboyer on this forum, I finally figured out how to change the nick to reflect the collar!)

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/29/2005 7:55:20 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: lisaSea

I was instructed to "lay low" for awhile as Master felt I was posting too much on this forum. I have been allowed one post a week and your words prompted me to use up my alloted time,

Hi lisa, I'm sorry your posting has been restricted to only one per week. You write very eloquently and I always enjoy and get a lot out of reading your posts.

quote:

My take on the Masters question was that he was speaking of "after the collar", though I do not know this for certain. In this case, yes, once that collar is on the neck the time for "me,me,me" is over. The time for questions and finding out what it is that will be expected is BEFORE begging the collar.

This also raises the question are we talking online or real life? Obviously only gtpmaster61 can answer this one as it pertains to him, but what about in general? Of course this raises the online vs. real life question, the fantasy vs. reality, and I don't want to hijack the thread. So perhaps gtpmaster61 can elaborate just a bit more.

cello

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/29/2005 11:18:25 PM

IronBear

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Its a bit like making your first million.. You work hard and get little gratification for a long time .. the second million is easy compared to the first. The first girl is the best advertisment for you as a master or a Home.....

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/30/2005 1:52:54 AM

FelinePersuasion

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Well of course you're not a doormatt:)

I am talking of the kind of person who would obey just any one. Regardless. Stranger foe friend any one, even if said any one didn't posses control of the reigns so to speak. Those kinds are usualy so desperate or needy that they would accept word of any ones commands, and usualy have very little if no self esteme and wish to be mindless. or it's just their misconception that it's what all men want, someone who'd "yes sir" no matter what the task, to any body who so ever that asked.

Of course that's only my defintiion and nothing "instone"

Of course slaves obey their master's once their the master of said girl. I wouldn't dream of ever implying other wise. I would think something very backward to a girl who had a master but didn't do his bidding, It'd seem very backward lol. Kind of like who's walking who here:P

I read his post as complaining about people who identify their orentation then do not live up to his expectations of the said orentation. but that's just my take. Any one's guess is as good as the next one:)

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/30/2005 2:23:04 AM

nella

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quote:

It's not your place to call any one pretenders gpt. Any one who is not your slave personally has the right to speak up for what they want, or may need. Don't delude yourself into thinking it's only all about the Master. If you do you'll probably find yourself searching for that second for a very long time, or finding a doormat who'd do anything any one told them or expected of them regardless to whom they was.

You took the words out of my moth. If i am corect of how i inteprented the words of the OP he was anoyed that girl he talked whit, that might be his second slave, would not do everything he said and had demands and needs, not his collard slaves but girls he was speaking whit that might become so one day. Time and time again this comes up in theese forums, while all Doms might deserve a sertin level of respect, not all Doms or Masters are my Dom and Master and i and other girls do not owe them obediance.

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/30/2005 12:58:34 PM

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After reading the OP a few times, I think I read it a little differently. Some wonder if he wants a doormat. Other think he's referring to post-collaring behavior. My interpretation falls somewhere in the middle and slightly to the right.

First, it's possible that he acquired his first slave in the manner he sort of describes. Some people may have seen her behavior as 'doormat'-y (had they had the opportunity to observe), but from my understanding your value as a kajira is greatly measured in your level of humility and respect. If his first girl had not met the standards he requires, she wouldn't be his first girl. And (I'm guessing) from his profile it seems she's been his for some time now. He's looking for another of the quality of his first, which isn't so unreasonable.

I read a journal entry from another member yesterday, and, while his words are usually heavily laced with sarcasm and toungue-in-cheek, he made a really good point in saying that: there are some subs who feel that being mouthy, catty and bitchy are acceptable expressions of being a strong, secure woman, and if a man can't handle that, he isn't strong enough to be their Dom/Master. These same subs can't understand why they can't find anyone willing to deal with them long term.

I think this is what he's referring to in his complaint against 'wannabe kajira'. It is absolutely true that until you wear his collar, you are not REQUIRED to act as if you wear it. However, if you are seeking consideration for a LTR, why would you showcase your worst attributes? That's like applying for a job and showing up to the interview in your PJs, talking on your cell, and falling asleep throughout. That doesn't show how dedicated or qualified you are for a position of responsibility. Nor does being bossy, argumentative and demanding show that you are of the mindset to be a Gorean slave. I believe you can be humble and respectful without giving up your sense of self, or control of your life - until such time that you beg the collar and he grants it. I would think the way to a Gorean Master's heart is to show how pliable and accomodating you can be, not how difficult you can be. I wouldn't take a pet home that was wild and unpredictable - that would be dangerous. I'd take the one who is gentle, mild mannered and loving.

That's just my take, hopefully the OP will come back and clarify.

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/30/2005 1:36:25 PM

nella

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To showcase your worst behavior is one thing, and not a positive thing in my opinion, but there is a differencae between showcasing your worst behavior and telling the possible Master you ahve some wants and needs of your own.

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/30/2005 2:05:07 PM

luvdragonx

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quote:

ORIGINAL: nella

To showcase your worst behavior is one thing, and not a positive thing in my opinion, but there is a differencae between showcasing your worst behavior and telling the possible Master you ahve some wants and needs of your own.

In most situations, I would agree that this is true. But (someone correct me if I'm wrong) a Gorean slave's primary want should be what her Master wants, first and foremost. Otherwise it's like 'submission/slavery on condition'. It's one thing to say that you have a medical condition that precludes certain types of activites. It's another thing to say that you can't be available weekdays from 2-3 because your favorite soap opera will be on. I don't see how TPE can work with conditions like that. "I'll do whatever you ask of me, except A, B, C, and X, Y, Z" - that doesn't really sound right. Maybe for a less structured M/s relationship this would work.

This discussion describes the reason I couldn't be Gorean (at least at this point in my life). Yes, a kajira may have wants and needs of her own, but she gives the power of addressing and allowing the fulfillment of those to her Master. That's why it's imperative that she get to know him and find out what kind of man he is, and if he's the man for her. If she's not willing to forgo some wants for the sake of the relationship, then the relationship isn't the one for her.

Edited to add: I'm basing my conclusion on the idea that the Master in question is a reasonable and fair man, who holds to the standards a Gorean should.

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/30/2005 5:19:56 PM

nella

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What if she for example have children, or sick parants, and have a condition that she must be aloved to atend them. Can she not be a Gorean slave and involved in TPE under those conditions?

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/30/2005 6:22:37 PM

luvdragonx

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quote:

ORIGINAL: nella

What if she for example have children, or sick parants, and have a condition that she must be aloved to atend them. Can she not be a Gorean slave and involved in TPE under those conditions?

Those are certainly extenuating circumstances, and as I understand it, an honorable Gorean Master would make sure she can attend to those issues. As I said before, there is a difference between things like family/health issues (where other people's lives are involved) and things like refusing to do 'menial' tasks or demanding X,Y,Z right off the bat. I think it's similar to a Dom requesting that a sub defer to him when they have only just met, in that the Master may feel as if the slave is trying to tell him what kind of Master he should/will be to her.

What I should have included in my previous post was that presentation speaks volumes. I'm sure that there is a proper way to make requests (outside of the aforementioned extenuating circumstances) without sounding like a brat, if that is what the OP meant. When my younguns, come to me and say 'I want X', my response is not the same as if they had asked"Would it be okay if I had X?" or 'May I please have X?". 15% what you say, 85% how you say it.

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/30/2005 7:01:09 PM

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Coolio--

Now see here Bear, could you spot me a $50k until tuesday?

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/30/2005 7:05:41 PM

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quote:

What if she for example have children, or sick parants, and have a condition that she must be aloved to atend them. Can she not be a Gorean slave and involved in TPE under those conditions?

Involved in TPE? Yes, to the extent that I understand how others do TPE, she could be involved in TPE. Could she have "conditions" and be a Gorean girl? No, she can't. Gorean girls don't submit conditionally. They submit unconditionally, or not at all. Now, if the girl is smart, and gets to know a thing or two about a man before begging to be his, she'll probably have a pretty good idea how he'd handle a situation like a sick parent or children in need of attention. The key here is how he would handle the situation. Once the girl is submitted, and property, it is up to him.

My girl's parents aren't sick, thankfully, but she does have three children who do require things. She will tell you herself that her children are better cared for now that she is a slave than they were when she was free, but that is my call , not hers. She did not require, no would I have accepted, that she be my slave except when it comes to her parents or children.

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/30/2005 7:31:55 PM

nella

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i am not christising pepole that do chose that, but for me it seam a bit risky to give yourself over to somone that might say no, you can never see your children again.

The reason i am not a slave but am a submissive is becouse i am dedicated to the occult, i want and need to study it, and i would fear that that would be deneied me should i sureder compley, so i dear not, as if i should stop that, i would stop being me.

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/30/2005 9:45:44 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Coolio--

Now see here Bear, could you spot me a $50k until tuesday?

Ron

You dont mind taking it in Gorean Currency do you mate? I'm light on dollars but heavy on dbl wgt Gold Tarns..

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RE: Finding a second kajira - 8/30/2005 10:14:54 PM

RavenofPK

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Evening folks,

(rant on)

Okay.........this always just baffles me.............how did we get from what the original poster was posting about, to tossing doormats around??? News flash folks: Just because a woman has a deeper understanding of submission and slavery than other women (ie.......Gorean women vs. bdsm women) does NOT mean they are doormats! Get over it!

But then again.........on the other hand.......I've gotten to the point of not being surprized anymore by these reactions. It takes a very strong woman to live and survive in the Gorean lifestyle as a slave. Most women simply cannot handle it. Gorean men expect women to step up........not for us men to step down.

(Take that as a challange if you wish.)

Raven

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