Camerius
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First of all Bull, good post. Next is a warning for a long post, that what follows is MY take/ramblings/view/ponderings on your post, so be warned. It will be only that, no more, no less.
I do tend to think that we as Goreans after a certain time will godown that road you're passing along, that we think about what it IS to be a Gorean, It's normal, and too what I have been going for the las few years. Namely after coming to grips with the understanding and then acceptance of that I AM Gorean. One thing I always find interesting is that we tend to move along the same phazes of this. What you're going through is part of this journey of getting to LIVE as a Gorean.
One of the main reasons as to BE a Gorean is not to sit and ponder all day but to get up, get out and live with the philosophy and personal understandings in our day to day lifes. This is not a "think only" philosophy, but very much a "go out, live it as you have understood it within it's full context and enjoy it as much as you can". This is the part many tend to forget, that we have to live it, not just pondering and quetioning it, but to go out, live and get our own personal experiences of WHAT it means to BE Gorean at work, around friends and so on.
While you have offered one side of what to define what Gorean is by asking what the various characters in the books would do in a given situation, I go another way by asking; what would *I* do in that situation that Kamchak, Marlenus, Jason or Tarl? Or even in the case of Half Ear, Ost, The Keeper and the others that we get portaited through out the books. What would *MY* actions and reasonings be if I was faceing the same? Would it be that same or would I do something else? And if so, why the heck would I do that?
These characters that Mr. Norman have used though out the books is but facettes of what it means to be Gorean, they're all different takes on the same, that of what it means to live as a Gorean. Some of them we agree with, and some of them we don't, as is fitting for our own personal understading of what is Gorean to us, persoanlly.
Like it or not, but all of these defines what it is to be Gorean, as in the end they WERE Goreans. But in the end they have a long lead of what it takes, a a fully established society that supports this way of thinking and liveing. One thing we're missing here and too are fighting the war against.
Now, when that is said, we too tend to forget that tho much of what have already been re-worked, re-defined even re-hashed, we're not that far down the road as Goreans. Heck, we're just starting to have sorted out what we mean by Gorean. Most of us are first generation Gorena's, some are second generation, but we're still busy hammering out what this liveing and breathing is about, as Goreans, as us. We don't get it right at times, both personally but too on a whole, but part of defining what this is also about, is to make errors to learn from and move on.
I see nothing wrong with new people posting "I'm Gorean because..", as I see this as more of a personal benchmark for them to try and get to grips with their own take of what being Gorean is. Sometimes, thoughts and ideas are easier to comprehend when put to paper instead of being thrown around in the head. Only time will tell IF that is true that they're Gorean, and most often it turns out not to be so. But in just a few cases, they do pull it through the first phaze, and starts to grow. For me that is interesting to follow as that give me as Gorean an understanding of what Gorean means too, again, as long as its within the context of the books. And that's where we're defining this, through our personal interpretations.
I have stopped saying " well, you're wrong!" when I read some new post, instead I'm more interested in the "WHY are you thinking so and so?", sadly, there's more of the first case going around than the second.
I have already touched a bit on what I see and understand as being and too as liveing as a Gorean, in script, both here in this place, and too in a few other places. And I agree with that freedom is one of the biggest cornerstones there is for a Gorean, this both in the personal sence, but too within the functions of supporting a society. Well, freedom for some of us, that is, as others find it better to give up that freedom to find their own personal fullfilment and place in life.
Too I price my Cast that I belong to, I also take pride of the Home Stone I own and too belong to, so do I take pride in what I achive. These are defining what a Gorean is too, the questions then is just "why?". Why is it that these two things have so much weight for a Gorean? These are some of my present ponderings, amongst others, that are filling my head.
There's a few movies out there, that I find of interest to watch, both as a Gorean as they tend to touch subject that I personally find of interst The Unforgiven, The Seven Samurais, Yojimbo (later re-worked and cast as Last Man Standing) just to name a few. All of these I have mentioned touches some of the Gorean issues that I have thought about. In this case, The Seven Samurais are interesting in this sence, as we here have a defined Cast but the takes of what it means to the individual for the Codes and too Cast, is so different from each of the members. Very interesting indeed.
You have already spoken about the flag we're marching behind, I rather see it as the Home Stone we share and belong to, for good or for worse. This is who and what we are, Goreans, forever defining what that means, as individuals, within the context of the books and in todays society. I don't think we'll ever get more than a strong consensus on this subject, and that is good, for that means we can live and let it live and more importantly grow into what we as human beings was ment to be, man and woman.
These are just a few of my lighter personal thoughts/views on an early Thursday morning, and now it's time for breakfast.
Be well
Camerius
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"To Gorean morality many Earth moralities might ask, "Why so hard?" To these Earth moralities, the Gorean ethos might ask, "Why so soft?" Marauders of Gor, pg.8
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