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Soap Operas and Dirty Laundry - 2/2/2008 5:52:45 AM

ygraine

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Greetings and a fine Saturday morning to you.
In the last couple of weeks I have seen some threads here take a turn that is bugging me some, so for good or for ill, I have a few comments. ( I know, what a surprise)
Some of these threads seem to be veiled scenarios occuring real life which are put forth by one side of the story. They are, because of the nature of humans, very one sided and do not give the other person any opportunity to defend or show the other side of the story. In at least once case, the scenario is twisted pretty badly.
I think to judge these situations (and I have done so, mea culpa, but I won't do it again) without knowing the whole story is not going to work. I think for myself I need to be careful to step back and remember there are three sides to every story and the truth lies somewhere in between.
I also think there is more than a bit of soap opera and some vengance going on in some of these threads. I would ask you to consider: when you see a thread that says: is this Gorean or is this how Goreans act, think a moment. If you reply you are possibly only feeding a needy monkey who wants everyone to feel their dramatic pain or to air their dirty laundry with all of us.
I am sorry, because I know have posted on these threads. I am not trying to say I am all that and a bag of fritos; my own posting shows that I am not at all above the attraction of these kinds of scenarios, but upon reflection I have come to realize what they are. I hope not to be drawn into this type of thing again.
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RE: Soap Operas and Dirty Laundry - 2/2/2008 6:30:54 AM

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Tal Ygraine,

What you say is true, but I feel these "stories" serve
a valuable purpose in bringing awareness of issues
before the community.

But here is the thing.. the person bringing the story
may very well cast it in a one-sided fashion, in an
attempt to get some self-justification or validation
or whatever, but he is fooling himself if he thinks
so, for we are responding to the situation *as stated*,
and thus the opinions and comments offered only
apply to the extrent that the story is factually presented.

Thus, the perspectives given likely have *nothing at all*
to do with the real situation, and so the poster's own
desire for validation is vacuous, nevertheless, the
perspectives provided *do serve a purpose* in exploring
the situation *as defined in the scenario* for the community
at large. So even though the judgments and perspectives
given have *no relation*, necessarily, to the real situation,
they do serve to raise community awareness to the scenario
*as presented*, and thus they have overall value.

I wish you well,
Braveheart

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RE: Soap Operas and Dirty Laundry - 2/2/2008 6:54:00 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Braveheart6942

Thus, the perspectives given likely have *nothing at all*
to do with the real situation, and so the poster's own
desire for validation is vacuous, nevertheless, the
perspectives provided *do serve a purpose* in exploring
the situation *as defined in the scenario* for the community
at large. So even though the judgments and perspectives
given have *no relation*, necessarily, to the real situation,
they do serve to raise community awareness to the scenario
*as presented*, and thus they have overall value.

This is where I think I disagree, Braveheart. I think people find vindication in the slightest thing. I think they cherry pick what they want ( vindication) and leave the rest (people pointing out that the situation is absolute b.s.). I also think the scenario "as presented" is by default a false one. We simply dont have enough data.
I also feel the sensationalist interest in these situations compounded with the lack of full information make them less than desireable in terms of evaluating an outcome.
As for community awareness, I have found that community is among people interacting off line, not here. I maintain that this is not a community at all, it is a discussion forum. I think the venue lessens the value of these type of posts even more.
I understand where you are coming from, I just don't find the value that you do, I guess. I am also concerned about the very thinly veiled scenarios put forth. Like it or not, this is a small world. Even if we don't know the partied involved, we probably know someone who does. We all know situations where there is a lot more to the circumstance than what is put forth on this forum. I think it is important to understand the whole thing before we form opinions.
Thanks for posting! I am interested in what people feel and think about these kinds of posts.
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RE: Soap Operas and Dirty Laundry - 2/2/2008 7:09:16 AM

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quote:

I think people find vindication in the slightest thing. I think they cherry pick what they want ( vindication) and leave the rest (people pointing out that the situation is absolute b.s.). I also think the scenario "as presented" is by default a false one. We simply dont have enough data.

Tal Ygraine.

What you say is true. But the point is, *we don't have to have
all the data*, because we are not commenting on the original
situation, but a *hypothetical*.

And if the person is posting the scenario for validation, if
that is indeed his purpose rather than to raise community
awareness, then all he achieves is a false validation
in his own mind... a self validation that he already had
anyway, whether we comment or not.

I post hypotheticals all the time. They are an effective
way to raise awareness on an issue. I don't post for self
validation, for there is no need.. if my own honor does not
validate me, then other people's opinions won't either.

Nonetheless, I feel that a properly presented hypothetical
scenario can have great value in helping people figure out
where the line is drawn at times.

Yes, sometimes the situation presented is thinly veiled,
and in those cases you have a valid point.. the motivation
of the poster needs to be taken into account. But as in
the recent post concerning two masters, I was and am
*totally ignorant* of whatever real life situation the
scenario was taken from, so then *my perspective*
was an objective one, and not skewed by any feelings
or knowledge of the participants. And to the extent
that the scenario was presented fairly, if at all, to the
same degree my perspective would be relevant to
the original situation. Thus, if the scenario was
presented in a skewed way, then my perspective
would not apply to the real situation at all, but only
to the situation presented in the skewed scenario.

Rarely in life do we have all the data or all the answers..
we just have to make the best determinations we can
and move on.

I wish you well,
Braveheart

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RE: Soap Operas and Dirty Laundry - 2/2/2008 8:21:12 AM

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greetings

i would hope that a forum in, any venue, is a place to disuss , ask questions, and learn. if no one ever had anything to dicuss or ask questions then there would be no need for forums. i have never seen anyone holding a gun to anyones head and force them to respond to anything in any forum. we have the option to respond or not. i , for one, have never liked soap operas.

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RE: Soap Operas and Dirty Laundry - 2/2/2008 8:36:28 AM

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Well hello there moir, m, whoever you used to be,

quote:

we have the option to respond or not. i , for one, have never liked soap operas.

Interesting you chose this topic to post. I believe I recall seeing your name some time ago where there was nothing BUT drama, and in another thread YOU started, was started FOR drama. Please, get real. What happened little one, you haven't been around for awhile, were you collared to someone and he found out your true nature? So he dumped you? So you had to come back and try to stir up commotion? You actually dared to manipulate Goreans? Did you honestly think in the long run you would get by with it this time anymore than you did before?

I strongly suggest to take your nastiness and find a different place to display yourself - just know everytime you try your drama infested posts here they will be exposed as the sour grapes they are. But outside of that...hey...

Have a nice day.

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RE: Soap Operas and Dirty Laundry - 2/2/2008 9:13:51 AM

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oh, good lord

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RE: Soap Operas and Dirty Laundry - 2/2/2008 9:39:09 AM

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Greetings Masters and Mistresses:
Greetings girls:

i have replied to threads where there is only one side of the story but have also stated that without knowing the other persons side of it, i can only give advice or my opinion based on what i see and that i didn't think that it was right to only get one side.

in one thread a while back on the other side of the fence, there was a girl who was presenting one side of the story and i told her that was all well and good but that she needs to give the other person involved a chance to respond if they so chose and if they opted not to respsond then that was their choice.

i told her that it was just my opinion and that without getting to know the facts i could not and would not give any advice other than that which i had given. my advice to her was to talk to the other person, explain her thoughts and feelings to them and let it go after that.

if someone presents something one sided yes it is hard to get all the facts before making a "judgement" call to help the person posting it and therefore the information provided to them will be skewed.

well wishes,
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RE: Soap Operas and Dirty Laundry - 2/2/2008 9:39:53 AM

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greetings

yes i WAS the now infamous m. i came here not to stir up anything but to ask opinions. i have no feelings whatsoever for the former Master. i have not a reason to bash any person. i did not come into these forums disquising myself. i have no need to do that. i do not want to be the topic in any thread so can we plesae just keep the topic?

well wishes

moir

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RE: Soap Operas and Dirty Laundry - 2/2/2008 11:19:40 AM

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geez case in point.
I am sure this thread will die fast anyway because lots of people who read this board love the dirty laundry and the soap opera and just cant seem to stop commenting on them so ...a reality check about this stuff or even an intelligent discussion is really not welcome nor interesting.
We can do the innuendo
We can dance and sing
When its said and done we havent told you a thing
We all know that crap is king
Give us dirty laundry!
Don Henley, "Dirty Laundry"

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RE: Soap Operas and Dirty Laundry - 2/2/2008 11:56:41 AM

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Tal Everyone

I think Y is right, we do have to look at different sides when posting here, but there again is personal opinion. I try to state what my opinion is, right, wrong, or indifferent. It doesn't matter so much what others think, as I am posting to show my opinion in any situation, not always thinking of all sides, but then sometimes I take a long time to post because I am thinking of it.

I always try to present what I believe in, miy thoughts as I can.. And I do love soapies!! I have two I have watched for absolutely years and years. I love them as anything else I can watch. Yes they are filled with drama, but one has to keep in mind it is fake drama.. I often laugh my rear off at them because of it. I laugh, cry, yell, get pissed about character changes and they are a part of my life. I don't get to actually speak to many people at all, but I can yell at them easy enough, and barring getting involved in friends or such, I am not off the farm that much to interact with others. So it fills a void is what I am saying.

I wish ya'll well..

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RE: Soap Operas and Dirty Laundry - 2/2/2008 1:04:07 PM

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Guess what girl,

Goreans are not a trusting lot per se and they certainly are not a forgiving lot.
They eventually see those for who and what they are.
I suggest you go kick sand in someone elses sand box.

Mistress Maahsatti

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RE: Soap Operas and Dirty Laundry - 2/2/2008 1:05:31 PM

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Ohh, c'mon now Cath,

a lil dirtly laundry helps get the blood flowing, ya know?...pfft...lol

Loves ya,
Babs
PS. Got a new drug...as Hughie Lewis, notes..its like a drug.

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