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The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/7/2005 5:29:25 PM

flaire

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Hello, lovely people

With thanks to nella for the beginings of an interesting thread. Would you take the stabilisation serum? In Assassin of Gor, Mr Uber Gor Tarl talks about the serum. I'm just off the find the quote....

First off, and remember the scene, Tarl has just arrived in Ar and is watching a game of kaissa.

'But different human beings respond differently to the Stabilization Serums, and the Serums are more effective with some than with others. With some the effect lasts indefinitely, with others it wears off after but a few hundred years, with some the effect does not occur at all, with others, tragically, the effect is not to stabilize the pattern but to hasten its degeneration.'

John Norman (1973) Assassin Of Gor Tamdem (publisher)

It appears on page 31 of this edition.

Now, would you take it and risk degeneration (why am I thinking of Doctor Who at this point) or would you risk immortality?

Thank you, in advance, for your replies.

f x

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/7/2005 5:40:10 PM

nella

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i would try other avernues of less risk first, but if none other seamned as likely to sucseed, yes i would take it, definitly.

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/7/2005 5:51:01 PM

flaire

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Dear nella

But would you enjoy immortality? Death is the reality of living. We enjoy our brief time with a passion and an intensity. To extend it, to achieve immortality, would diminish our experience.

You fall in love maybe a few times in your life. If you live forever, what is love? You may become cynical and see love as a transitory thing rather than the glorious experience it is.

I don't think I would like immortality. I live for every moment because I know I might get hit by a bus tomorrow. I savour each new, wonderful day, because it may be my last. Take that away from me and I'm just a clock, passing each day.

No, immortality would be a nightmare.

f x

(but have a jelly baby instead)

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/7/2005 6:06:58 PM

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Yes I would take it. I would also drown the hobbits and take the One Ring. I would take the red pill. But I draw the line at clapping my hands for faeries.

What does this have to do with Gorean Lifestyle? I am happy to discuss anything about being Gorean but what does this have to do with it? It strikes me as being as inane as asking a Catholic if they would have eaten the apple.

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/8/2005 12:54:29 AM

flaire

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Dear Rivalkeeper

Sorry, just thought it was an interesting idea. It's mentioned repeatedly in the novels and hence one could class it as 'Gorean' and as this is a forum dedicated to 'Gorean' things I'm wondering what your problem is.

Maybe this is a thread of immortality and doesn't belong here, but it was John Norman who introduced the stabilisation serum as a plot device.

The 'Gorean' Lifestyle - mmmmm, now there's a concept. I enjoy the novels, despite realising how badly written they are. I see you happily adopt the 'sexual' or 'power' concepts from the novels, yet are scathing about many of the other philosophies they contain.

From what I can gather from this forum, debate about the 'Gorean' lifestyle tends to dissolve into what is little more than name calling and ridicule - thank you once again for demonstrating this for me.

I find many concepts and philosophies in the novels fascinating. I'm going to carry on discussing and debating them.

By the way, I once read an illuminating essay written by a prominant catholic theologian concerning your 'apple' idea. It evoked quite a response.

f x

(I have the feeling that Pippin, let alone Sam and Merry, would be able to kick your arse

)

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/8/2005 2:26:51 AM

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Tal to Master & greetings (kajira) flaire

Being Gorean, I did take the stabilization serum. (joke) :-)

quote:

ORIGINAL: flaire

Dear nella

But would you enjoy immortality? Death is the reality of living. We enjoy our brief time with a passion and an intensity.
To extend it, to achieve immortality, would diminish our experience.

You fall in love maybe a few times in your life. If you live forever, what is love? You may become cynical and see love
as a transitory thing rather than the glorious experience it is.

I don't think I would like immortality. I live for every moment because I know I might get hit by a bus tomorrow. I
savour each new, wonderful day, because it may be my last. Take that away from me and I'm just a clock, passing
each day.

No, immortality would be a nightmare.

f x

(but have a jelly baby instead)

It was not to provide immortality flaire, sorry.

The stabilization serum was as described below, to retard the aging process, to stabilize the Gorean/Human imune
system and hopefuly slow or stop disease.

A Gorean (in the fictional books) might not fear getting hit by a bus, but a quiva, lance, arrow, sword, tarn attack,
marsh spider, drowning, fire, fall, or just the old fashion honourable death of a warrior in battle.

In our very own collarme chat, a person asked this funny question (I'm sure it was in jest!!!).

If a captive from earth, goes to Gor with VD, spreads it around, would it not wipe out the whole planet?

I was laughing so hard I couldn't type.

NO better way to learn of Gor and Goreans then to ask questions :-)

For now be well

Kea
PROUD owner of deka{KD}, kneeling/sitting at his feet.
(even have a kajira pillow)

"To inflict pain for any reason other then to give pleasure is the only true perversion."

:-)

*stabilization serums -(noun): a series of medical injections which, among other things, retards the aging
process; an invention of the Priest-Kings approved by them for use by humans; administered in 4 injections.

Book 3: Priest-Kings of Gor, page 124
Book 5: Assassin of Gor, page 30 and 31
Book 7: Captive of Gor, pages 93 - 97
Book 11: Slave Girl of Gor, page 282
Book 22: Dancer of Gor, pages 472-474

*

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/8/2005 3:20:03 AM

krys

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ORIGINAL: flaire

quote:

Dear Rivalkeeper

Sorry, just thought it was an interesting idea. It's mentioned repeatedly in the novels and hence one could class it as 'Gorean' and as this is a forum dedicated to 'Gorean' things I'm wondering what your problem is.

Maybe this is a thread of immortality and doesn't belong here, but it was John Norman who introduced the stabilisation serum as a plot device.

The title of the forum is "Gorean Lifestyles". The NON fictional lifestyle. It may be a plot device to the novels, but it is not incorporated into one's day to day life. Therefore, it does not fall into the "lifestyle" question category.

quote:

The 'Gorean' Lifestyle - mmmmm, now there's a concept. I enjoy the novels, despite realising how badly written they are. I see you happily adopt the 'sexual' or 'power' concepts from the novels, yet are scathing about many of the other philosophies they contain.

That is quite a leap to make from that post. Please explain how you came to that conclusion from what was stated. Be sure to show your work. You have managed to sum up quite a bit of knowledge about someone you do not know from a single post pointing out your thread is more appropriate for the "Off Topic Discussions" forum.

quote:

From what I can gather from this forum, debate about the 'Gorean' lifestyle tends to dissolve into what is little more than name calling and ridicule - thank you once again for demonstrating this for me.

I find many concepts and philosophies in the novels fascinating. I'm going to carry on discussing and debating them.

I fail to see the name calling and ridicule. Well, that's not exactly true. I see it coming from you flaire. He made a comment about the post itself, not the poster, and you responded with an attack on him personally. The concept of addressing the posts themselves and not the posters is clearly one you have failed to grasp. Secondly, this thread does not actually contain anything that evokes a debate about Gorean Lifestyles, as stabilization serums do not exist and are therefore not part of the non-fictional Gorean based lifestyle. What it does make clear, however, is that you are here to get into fights with people and start a mud slinging name calling flame war whereever you go. Of course there are people here who will accomodate you. There are people here that would argue the fact that the sky is blue if they happen to dislike the poster enough. However, I suggest you find a more productive hobby. You seem to believe you possess the rapier with and sarcasm of Oscar Wilde. Allow me to disabuse you of this notion. You're really not that good at it, dear. Of course, eventually, enough people will put you on ignore that, when you actually do have something intelligent to say on a topic, very few people will actually get to see it.

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/8/2005 3:29:02 AM

flaire

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Dear KeaDan,

There's a wonderful page from Sexuality.org that always induces giggling fits within me - http://www.sexuality.org/l/bdsm/morgr_tw.html is the link.

It's the last entry - the Free Clinics of Gor that you reminded me of in your post. You can access the 'Houseplants of Gor', a glorious parody of Gor, from the BDSM archive link at the bottom of the page.

Thank you, once again for your intelligent, informed and kind post.

f x

PS Can I be an Interior Decorator of Gor?

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/8/2005 3:34:13 AM

flaire

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Dear krys

Please put me on ignore so my words no longer upset you. I'll happily carry on regardless.

Just because you know longer see anything I write, I wish you well and hope that you have a life of joy, happiness and fulfilment.

f x

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/8/2005 3:46:45 AM

nella

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Ofcourse i would enyoy it, i need not short time to be passionate.

As for the Stablizer Serums, they make you unaging, not imortal, you can still be killed, you can still kill yourself, you just do not age, and you do not usualy get sick.

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/8/2005 3:59:08 AM

krys

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quote:

ORIGINAL: flaire

Dear krys

Please put me on ignore so my words no longer upset you. I'll happily carry on regardless.

Just because you know longer see anything I write, I wish you well and hope that you have a life of joy, happiness and fulfilment.

f x

No worries, I'm not that easily upset. But thank you for the well wishes. I am curious though, what is it about starting fights and making personal attacks that makes you happy?

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/8/2005 4:16:02 AM

flaire

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Dear krys

Glad you're not upset and I mean the well wishes.

As to starting fights? Am I? Good heavens. I'm merely debating and sometimes due to the passionate nature of many (including myself), that debate can get a little fruity.

I haven't told anyone to shut up...but a Gorean chap on another thread told me do so. I listen and respond, maybe with more vigour than I intend.

As to the insults...I was happily discussing the concept to slavery and marriage with various people and then someone accusses me of having a 'velcro' collar - rather insulting I felt.

But hey, I'm still smiling and generally enjoying my time here.

f x

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/8/2005 4:50:17 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: flaire

quote:

Sorry, just thought it was an interesting idea. It's mentioned repeatedly in the novels and hence one could class it as 'Gorean' and as this is a forum dedicated to 'Gorean' things I'm wondering what your problem is.

I would have no problem with this post if it was in an "off topic" forum. As it is in "Gorean Lifestyles" I would have to suppose you either think such things are a part of the Gorean lifestyle or posted it here to elicit a strong response from people. Do you post in the mode you do just to try to insult people?

quote:

The 'Gorean' Lifestyle - mmmmm, now there's a concept. I enjoy the novels, despite realising how badly written they are. I see you happily adopt the 'sexual' or 'power' concepts from the novels, yet are scathing about many of the other philosophies they contain.

Interesting. I state what I think of your post and instead of continuing with that you attack me. I would like to know the process which has allowed you to deduce I "happily adopt the 'sexual' or 'power' concepts from the novels, yet are scathing about many of the other philosophies they contain"

quote:

From what I can gather from this forum, debate about the 'Gorean' lifestyle tends to dissolve into what is little more than name calling and ridicule - thank you once again for demonstrating this for me.

In the short amount of time I have been on these forums I have read a plethora of discussions that did no such thing. The pattern I do see is you posting your responses in a belittling manner which of course is going to make sure that those who answer your posts might be perturbed to say the least and evoke kneejerk defensive responses.

quote:

I find many concepts and philosophies in the novels fascinating. I'm going to carry on discussing and debating them.

Wonderful. Then how about discussing philosophies of the books instead of posting continually to denigrate others? Or perhaps that is your not so hidden agenda?

quote:

By the way, I once read an illuminating essay written by a prominant catholic theologian concerning your 'apple' idea. It evoked quite a response.

Well at this point we could start discussing my 'apple' idea but that would be just as unfitting for this particular forum. Start that conversation on the off-topic forums and will happily wile away the hours comparing and contrasting the points of differing religions. Your response does mean you missed the point I was trying to make though. The statement has meaning in two ways. 1. Do you always pick something from an area of text which has no relevance to draw others out so you can attack them instead of their point of view? 2. Do you think Goreans are concerned with stabilization serums, tarns, and sleen? If that is true then you have a woefully lacking knowledge of Gor from outside the books.

By the way, if you keep insulting people and how they live then chances are you will never gain much more of a grasp since very few react well to being attacked. Look over your posts and try to see things from other's perspectives. It might be enlightening for you.

quote:

(I have the feeling that Pippin, let alone Sam and Merry, would be able to kick your arse )

And I suppose this is where I am supposed to "get my back up" to defend myself. Interesting.

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/8/2005 5:12:19 AM

flaire

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Dear Rivalkeeper

First off, how do you do the whole quote thing...I can't seem to get to grips with it. Damnable technology.

Secondly, thank you for your post. I suppose this wasn't the right place to discuss stabilisation serum. I don't know if it would find a place on the off-topic without a tirade of ridicule from the BDSM community. It's just a topic that I've discussed with Altheus on several occassions I was looking for other opinions and imput. Do you know how to remove threads?

Thirdly, sorry, just got sidetracked by the cricket. Now, were was I? Oh, yes, thank you for your observations, I will take them on board.

Finally, as for the PS - we're talking about hobbits, little people, you're a big person. In reality (which is a bizarre term to use in this context) you'd undoubtedly beat them. It was ment to be a joke hence the little smiley

I used. Now, having to explain a joke makes it a rather bad joke. I concede!

f x

PS It was just a hypothetical question, not an assault on the ethos and principles of Gor

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/8/2005 5:30:41 AM

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If you want to discuss the Sabilizer serums whit me, pleese mail me, i love to discuss them and everything else to do whit importality, preferable physical imortality.

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/8/2005 4:04:55 PM

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Tal to Master & greetings (kajira) flaire

quote:

ORIGINAL: flaire
First off, how do you do the whole quote thing...I can't seem to get to grips with it. Damnable technology.

At the top right of every post/entry are 3 little icons, 1) reply 2) quote 3) Forward.

Click on quote (For ONLY for the post you wish to quote), you will get a new window,
you may reply via this, the "quote" will show up with a (quote) the words (/quote).

When previewed, you will see it as it would apear in your final POST.

You can also Copy & Paste and use the "quote", from reply menu, button after highlighting those
words you wish quoted, the "ORIGINAL: flaire" would not be there if you use this method.

Hope that helps :-)

Being new to this forum, I as well would not have thought to put this thread in off-topic.

Gor being what it is, I would have thought here the best place for a duscussion of a fictional Serum
from O/our equaly fictional GOR, before I get flamed lol, the 'GOREAN LIFESTYLE' is NOT fiction, it is
alive and genearaly well on URTH.

The heading reads; [Community Discussions]

Gorean Lifestyles
This is a forum for those who identify as Goreans and for others who wish to learn about it.

Maybe the "Gorean Lifestyles", isn't the proper place for discussing the books, ideas, fiction and
style of Gor either, who knows Im just a reader/poster not moderator.

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(even have a kajira pillow)

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/8/2005 4:53:26 PM

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You can also cut and paste into a reply and use the "Quote" button found at the top, under the smiley faces, and next to the Bold and Italics and the like. And you can use preview to make sure it looks the way you wanted. At least, thats how it comes up for me. What is between the quote and /quote in the brackets will be quoted.

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/10/2005 10:52:43 PM

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I wasn’t going to buy into this but seeing I was debating on messenger the whole immortality .longevity thing I’m adding my two tasks worth.

Ask any you know who is 60+ and ask them how they handle watching their friends and family gradually aging and then departing this plane of existence. Ask those who have list family and friends due to cyclones, hurricanes, earthquakes and war…. To live long is to suffer loss. To live longer is to learn how to deal with those losses and the changes about you. The Serum? Aye, I’d take it or Immortality too.. BUT only if I was also restored to my full health and strength…. But then there would be some one after my head for There Can Be Only One!

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 9/11/2005 2:26:23 AM

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If one do things to achive imoratlity, loss of frinds that do not do so would happen, but it would be a cost that would be totaly aceptable for the gift of inmortality.

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RE: The Stabilisation Serum...The Question - 10/1/2005 8:33:18 AM

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I'd rather have taken it 10 years ago, before the damage to my knees, shoulder and hairline.

In a cycle of novels by Iain M. Banks which feature an idealised society known as the 'Culture,' the characters are genetically engineered to the point of near perfect self-physical control. Yet the only thing which is considered immoral in the society (aside from acts which harm other people) is immortality. They are extremely long-lived but consider it against the natural order of things for a person to decide never to die (although anyone from the Culture can will themselves immortal at any time).

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