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Unfeeling? - 9/18/2005 1:29:28 PM   
nella


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Status: offline 		Is it common in the Gorean lifestyle to be as unfeeling whit your slave girl as the Goreans in the books? Like in the books, when a girl is branded, a rather painful experience, one never read of the Master actualy comforting her. One do not realy hear of the Masters showing any kind of compassion or feeling other than lust and such towards their slaves at all, is this common in Gorean lifestyle to?
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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/18/2005 2:11:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings Masters, Mistresses and slaves

Nella, you asked:

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Like in the books, when a girl is branded, a rather painful experience, one never read of the Master actualy comforting her.


Really there is no need, as in the books they also had a salve that healed wounds as if by magic. The entire process took seconds, not enough time to comfort and the girls never seemed to be in pain for long. You didn't read about a whole lot of aftercare, torn skin or heaven forbid the scabs that form over freshly branded flesh. Such is the books, not to be confused with reality :)

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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/18/2005 2:33:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is no set guidelines as to how a man will feel about his property. Or how he will treat her. Not even for Goreans. In the books, a slave never had a cold, or her period, or a charlie horse. In a chat room, your serves never end in spilling hot coffee on yourself and swearing like a sailor on shore leave. Is it common for owners to look upon their kajira as nothing more than sex objects? Not in my experience.

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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/18/2005 2:42:54 PM   
nella


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Status: offline 		lisa, after care is not just aboute treating ingury, and it is not just aftercare either, i am talking aboute what seam in the books to be a total lack of any kind of compassion or feeling towards their slaves. In adition after a painful experince you might need comfort even if it do not still hurt.

And well even if they ahve salves that heals wounds alamost instantaious, that as far as i know is not used when branded.

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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/18/2005 4:56:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you owned a farm which had cattle on it, would you spend a lot of time comforting a cow after branding? Remember, in the book slaves were beasts nothing more and nothing less.

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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/18/2005 5:04:33 PM   
nella


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If you owned a farm which had cattle on it, would you spend a lot of time comforting a cow after branding?


Well actualy, yes i would, the same would many other pepole i know that keep animals. For example Maude, my cat, she is definitly my property, i have papers on her ownership, but i also care deeply for her, and if she get hurt, as she often do becouse she is a mean little fighter, i feel for her and try to help in any way i can, also when my pet spider Bliar was moating, as soon as her fangs was strong again, i bouth her her favorite food even if i hate to handle it just as a confort. They are beasts, but also werry inportant to me.


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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/18/2005 11:51:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		nella,
As to Those who live Their Gorean beliefs, i have found a variety of responses to how The Owners choose to emotionally 'connect' or 'not connect' with Their property.
It is the one thing that scares me about our Gorean philosophy, because i have met Those who do think of the property as little more than sexuale objects to be use and abuse, as They see fit. i say this because it happened to me so i feel that i can say that.
i have met Others who seem to keep a little 'distance' between Them and Their property but still appear to care for them, as One would care for anything One owned Who wished to ensure the value did not 'deteriorate'.
i have also met Gorean Masters who do get close to what They own and there is an 'added connection' which is just there. Maybe They will raise Their ones to FW i do not know that niether. Maybe tho.
When the girl think of this topic, i truely believe that it is an Individual Gorean Master's choice as with everything else. It is up to the Owner how He decide to interact/ not interact, emotionally, with His slave (s). The books are a guide, but beneath that guide is an underlying principle which supercedes all else. Gorean Men are Their Own Masters. They define what Their world means to Them, not a book, not Another Man, certainly not a woman and not a slave. They define how They will responde within that world, not a book and not Anyone else neither. They are not 'bound' to responde to everything precisely what the books say to do because to do that is to relegate Them to being 'followers' not Men.
If One need to follow totalely a book to determine how to be 'Men' then how is that being as the Men in the books themselves talk of? It seem like a paradox this.
hmmm.... buffy think of it like this: the garnering of knowledge is a lot like harvesting anything else: take the wheat and leave the chaff. Perhaps it is kinda like ....find what works for You and run with it regardless of what Anyone Else is doing. Of course it then is needed to find those others who also will live like that. This, is the reality.
It is late, buffy is tired and is making less sense with each key stroke. buffy wish to offer to everyone well wishes.
respectfully,
buffiyum

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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/19/2005 12:42:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: nella

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If you owned a farm which had cattle on it, would you spend a lot of time comforting a cow after branding?


Well actualy, yes i would, the same would many other pepole i know that keep animals. For example Maude, my cat, she is definitly my property, i have papers on her ownership, but i also care deeply for her, and if she get hurt, as she often do becouse she is a mean little fighter, i feel for her and try to help in any way i can, also when my pet spider Bliar was moating, as soon as her fangs was strong again, i bouth her her favorite food even if i hate to handle it just as a confort. They are beasts, but also werry inportant to me.




Firstly, the reply I gave you was a book answer, and not a lifestyle one as I have no idea how other lifestyle Goreans would act in such matters. If I was the owner of one of the large cattle properties (We dont call them ranches in Australia), I would not have the time nor inclination to be comforting several thousand head of cattle. If I had a pet on a few acres, yep I'd be looking after her as I do with my animals who, whilst they may be pets, they are "family" too. Our Malamute stands third in our home and it's pissed off several visiting slaves to know the Sasha is Alpha Bitch and outranks them. I'm the Alpha Male/Gorean Master/Free Man, my wife is my Free Companion, Alpha Female/Gorean Mistress/Free Woman and Sasha is the alpha bitch.


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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/19/2005 4:36:10 AM   
nella


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Status: offline 		i agree that if one have a large farm, one would not usualy emotionaly conect to all the animals, but most of the Goreans in the books dont have many slaves, they usualy only have one or two. Still they seam to have less feeling for them then they do for a riding beat or any other from of pet.

For example in one of the books you have a Master and his slavegirl, the slave asks if there is nothing a Master might feel towards his slave, and he responds, anoyance, anger, lust...and several places it speaks of love slaves, that if a man fall in love whit this slave he will usualy set her in the worst position in the household and treat her worse than all his other slaves, now, that makes no sense to me, one thing is that we are often more strict on those we love, what dog owner for example would not want his favorite to outshine the others, but there is a big difference between being more strict and treating like nothing.

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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/19/2005 5:39:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ahhhh, but that is in the books and I venture to say that this treatment of a loved slave was a means of demonstrating that she will never be in a position to undermine his ownership or authority in any way shape or form. History has shown the manipulative ability of a favoured concubine or even a slave. I see the Gor series a showing us what we could be not what we are. but like everything else this is open to interpretation too and my views only count as far as my influence extends, i.e. the extent of my home and family.

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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/19/2005 6:48:19 AM   
nella


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Status: offline 		The problem of it is that one go so far in demostrating that the slave can not manipulate, and to be sure one is not maipulated that one make the loved one miserable, that might not be a good thing.

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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/19/2005 6:51:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		nella,

ive read several of your posts now and though you talk of learning,it also seems you very close minded in what your seeking more knowledge about

if you cant come in with an open mind how do you expect to learn what it is you actual are looking for

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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/19/2005 6:54:56 AM   
nella


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Status: offline 		Let me see, i am close minded is a few of the things in the Gorean lifestyle bother me, that i dont swallow all of it whole? then sure you are right, i am close minded.

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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/19/2005 9:09:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		As was stated before, do not confuse books with reality. These are relationships and as in any relationship, even of a different variety such as in Gorean master slave relationships, each person is and will be different. Both master and slave. I would be worried if anyone took what is written in the books as law, because law in reality is quite different so are the circumstances.

Now take your question and apply it to reality. Are people unfeeling and uncaring towards their partners? (Any type of relationship) The answer is yes, but it is based off the individual not the entire male or female genders. Just as some men will treat folks as things to be thrown away when no longer of use so will women, so will folks in BDSM or Gorean lifestyle. You have to take each person with who they are and get to know them first and be smart enough to ask the right questions before putting yourself in the situations where your mental and physical health are involved. This is not a series of books but reality. I have no use for a hurt or injured slave mentally of physically so I wouldn't do such if could be helped. If something I owned was hurt or injured, again mentally or physically, I would want to make it healthy again.

There are as many answers to your questions as there are men and women in the world. In general though most in Gor that I have known over the years do care for their slaves and property just show it in different ways.

Later,

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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/19/2005 9:25:07 AM   
nella


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Now take your question and apply it to reality. Are people unfeeling and uncaring towards their partners? (Any type of relationship) The answer is yes, but it is based off the individual not the entire male or female genders. Just as some men will treat folks as things to be thrown away when no longer of use so will women, so will folks in BDSM or Gorean lifestyle. You have to take each person with who they are and get to know them first and be smart enough to ask the right questions before putting yourself in the situations where your mental and physical health are involved. This is not a series of books but reality. I have no use for a hurt or injured slave mentally of physically so I wouldn't do such if could be helped. If something I owned was hurt or injured, again mentally or physically, I would want to make it healthy again.


Werry interesting answer, i guess i never thinked of it that way, that even in the vanilla world pepole tend to be cold and uncaring towards one another, disregarding others feelings totaly, thanks your answer made me think, though ofcourse it is depressive thinking, but still thanks.

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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/19/2005 9:38:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Falonthas

nella,

ive read several of your posts now and though you talk of learning,it also seems you very close minded in what your seeking more knowledge about

if you cant come in with an open mind how do you expect to learn what it is you actual are looking for


I would have though that nella was making her enquiries with an exceeding open mind but perhaps like me she doesn't like loose ends and likse to have the "i"s dotted and the "t"s crossed. Of course it could be thet English is not her first language which makes it more difficult to ask or comment in the same format which we may use... personally I find it delightfull watching her get the bit between her teeth and dive in exploring.

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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/19/2005 9:48:13 AM   
nella


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Status: offline 		Thank you Iron Bear. i am seeking to learn aboute the Gorean lifestyle, not to become Gorean, i have never made such claims as that to be my goal. The lifestyle fasinates me however and i see to learn aboute it, but when i meet somthing i sound strange, or downwright disturbing for me, i ask questions, not becouse i think what other pepole is doing is wrong, even i i personaly dont like it, but becouse i wish to understand. English is indeed not my first luanguage, and i dont write it to well, the main difference though is that i have Aspergers syndrome, that make me think a bit differant, so things that is obious to others might be a mystery to me, and wise wersa.

As for there be certin things in the Gorean lifestyle i am more interested in than others, sure there are. i for once adore the being slave as a status, not just your place in a relationship, but you are a slave and therefore must act that towards everyone part is werry interesting. The tendency to speak in third person for the slaves in interesting and somthing i have written a little text aboute on this site that i am werry proud aboute, i am interested in the how and why`s of turning a fiction setting`s pilosophy into somthing one can use in this world, while for example the domestic duties of slaves intrest me lass as i am not into domstic service myself.

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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/19/2005 10:20:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why would that be depressing? For just as many "bad" experiences and people, there are more good. People tend to focus more on the negative because it grabs your attention more. So do not think depressing because there are countless happy people in or out of Gorean lifestyle. I am not Mr Optimistic but I can see the good and bad, and more often the good far excedes the bad, both in number and experiences. There are always exceptions though, which is sad in itself, but that is nature and more impotant human nature.

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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/19/2005 11:41:11 AM   
nella


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Status: offline 		Well i am miss pesimistic, i tend to see my glass as half empty, it is a flaw i know, and i guess you are right.

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RE: Unfeeling? - 9/20/2005 1:18:30 AM   
buffiyum


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Status: offline 		ah nella! boy o boy do i hear ya!
sometimes it is more than not only does buffy not know if the glass is half full or half empty, it is more that buffy cannot find the frikken kitchen, let alone the glass itself.
buffiyum
ps this one also enjoy your posts.
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