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RE: Women's day - 3/9/2008 8:41:40 AM

mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Leonidas

<snip> to replace birthday money that her deadbeat ex stole from the mailbox so that her unmentionable could still have a nice birthday. <snip>

For those who are not Gorean and are lurking, this would not be considered a Gorean action, now, if the fuckwad had the guts to rob her face to face, put himself at risk and be a man, it would be ponderable, still in all; rather doubtful.

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p.s. please note also, that no slaves were slain during this or any other activity here.

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RE: Women's day - 3/9/2008 8:46:47 AM

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The rabid of the world so often miss the obvious...or what seems to me to be obvious.

The two career family in and of itself is not a horrible thing when it comes to the raising of unmentionables and general quality of life (non-monetarily speaking) - but it sure as hell can be.

The old school, stay-at-home-mom family was not, in and of itself, utopia on earth. It did, however, succeed in many ways that some of the newer adaptations often fail.

While I believe that the choice to beg steel or not ought to be a legitimately recognized one in society, the counterpart to that is that being a "home mom" or "career woman" must also be recognized as legitimate options for societ to function well, IMO. Crikey! A Master man want his own to slave in his business or anothers. He may also desire her ass to be home, tending the domicile and ducklings. A free woman isn't getting such a good deal if she is not in the line of work best suited to her (and therefore in societies best interest) because she gets paid 30% less than her male co-workers, but can work at a job she is less suited to (and therefore not performing optimally for her home stone..not the familial one, and not the community one either). The bills have to be paid, afterall.

I've taken literally tons of shit over the years for being a "home mommy" for most of the last two decades, despite my individual circumstances dictating that it was indeed in the best interests of my family and my community for me to do so.

Granted, I believe the world is a better place for the contributions made by women many fields of endeavor. It is also my most sincere belief that we'd have a lot less little hoodlums, gangs, and screwed up individuals in general, if there were more adults home in the afternoon, in neighborhoods across my country, or volunteering in schools, or taking turns doing things with the neighborhood kids after school.

Sometimes I just want to scream to society at large, "What the fuck don't you understand about "natural order", "individual strengths and weaknesses", and "common sense"?!?!?!?!?

Oh, yeah, let's bitch about the cost of pink cell phones, the evils of women "staying home and not contibuting to society because they are lazy", urinals vs toilets. Let's overlook latchkey kids, inexcusable inequities in pay, and the importance of individuals doing their best, and the benefits to society when they are doing what they are gifted at. How typically, disgustingly....human.

This concludes my morning rant, TYVM -
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RE: Women's day - 3/9/2008 9:06:31 AM

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-fast gut like response-

That would explain the 1/2 price shoe sales................

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RE: Women's day - 3/9/2008 9:16:33 AM

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Half price shoe sales, Master?

Dangit! I can't wear any shoes at all.

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RE: Women's day - 3/9/2008 9:27:28 AM

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Shoe sales? Not much of a Women's Day treat for me, seein' as how I loath shoe shopping.

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RE: Women's day - 3/9/2008 9:54:56 AM

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Greetings.

Why could it not be book sale. i can never get to many books, but shoes,...neah i take the books. :)

i wish you well

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RE: Women's day - 3/9/2008 10:29:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: Cherylmazana

Just women together glad they are women.

Is there a Humans' Day?

Might be interesting to just be humans together glad they are human.

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RE: Women's day - 3/9/2008 10:34:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: Leonidas

Happy birthday/women's day.

Wouldn't that also qualify as a happy deadbeat exes' day?

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RE: Women's day - 3/9/2008 2:44:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

Wouldn't that also qualify as a happy deadbeat exes' day?

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To the extent that he could steal from his own and be happy about it, yeah, I suppose it would. That, I suppose, is the somewhat cryptic point I was trying to make with the Joni Mitchell lyric. Seems to me that many men are lacking in male chauvanism (in the true sense of the word). We'll miss that when it's gone. When it is, maybe there will be international men's day.

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RE: Women's day - 3/9/2008 7:47:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: Leonidas

To the extent that he could steal from his own and be happy about it, yeah, I suppose it would.

Yup. Knowing some such sorts, there's prolly a 50/50 chance. Never fails to inspire.

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That, I suppose, is the somewhat cryptic point I was trying to make with the Joni Mitchell lyric.

Ah. I didn't get it, sorry. Don't really know who Joni Mitchell is, either.

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Seems to me that many men are lacking in male chauvanism (in the true sense of the word).

There are some left, but few, at least up here. Most who have some sort of pride in their manhood around here are actually deriving it from putting down the other gender, rather than identifying with male values and taking pride in those. As I read it, that's typical slave morality, deriving one's identity from a complement of Other, rather than from actual identity- i.e. Self.

I'll admit to deriving my pride from myself, rather than my gender, though; not sure if that's what you meant.

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When it is, maybe there will be international men's day.

There is, I think someone said. Probably introduced as a politically correct complement to women's day. Might be interesting to see whether people start celebrating it, though it seems a bit bass ackwards to start doing so only when the pride in what one is celebrating is actually gone?

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RE: Women's day - 3/9/2008 9:13:05 PM

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Tal ya'll,

Thank you Angel, for the note regarding 150,000 a year. I have been stay home 9/10 of the time I've been a mother. First, it wasn't a choice. I was already in the Navy. When that ended, Himself said "no more" and he had many reasons. Some were very old fashioned reasons, ways he was raised, others were personal unto our own needs and his worry for health even then. Later, the guys were active in many things school and social events, and I ended up with more and more free time, and I asked, and asked, and asked, and assssskkkkkeeeedddd to be permitted to work part time. I did so, twice. Once it was a bit more than a year, the other time it was a bit less than 6 months. Both times, I loved being away from the house and hated it too. I'd fret over not getting as much accomplished at home, about letting the kids down, and then we'd celebrate with a trip to Disney as a reward, because I did have "extra" money. Himself never ever pooled that money to our home expenses. He wouldn't even let me put it in the account with our joint name. He opened an account for Karyn. He of course had access, but he wouldn't touch it for mortgage, or food, or kids' clothes. He said those would be his responsibility till the day he died, and hopefully with good financial management, long after he died as well. Anyway, most of the time, I didn't or haven't worked away from the home. It wasn't always easy to make ends meet, but it wasn't always like people might say - negative poor relations - either. He's a VERY good financial manager. He knows how to say no well, to me and the guys. He's also fair and understanding at times. One of the most expensive pieces of equipment needed for one son's musical group was stolen. We don't just have money laying around, but we do have savings. He went and took the money out, and bought the new piece. They were ecstatic and "dad was the greatest!". It just takes focus and effort, to make whatever choice a Himself (whoever that is in your world, could be a single woman is her own Himself in essence setting up her own goals and managing finances) makes for a person, a couple or a family.

Women's day... I guess that was relevant. We don't celebrate huge on any day, but we're well treated, provided for, never starve, and once in a while, a treat like Leonidas mentioned, appears without asking, to brighten a day or save the band. It's all good. And to me, it's far more "cool" to celebrate every day then it is to see some vague value assigned to Hallmark cards galore daysssss.

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RE: Women's day - 3/10/2008 12:40:01 AM

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Greetings Mistress

i think that is the same as whit mother's day, fathers day and so on, pepole buy their mother's a card and perhaps a gift and a cake and make a big show of mother's day, while most mothers would prefer if their kids took half an hour out of their busy life now and then to call them, or dropped by for Sunday dinner. The same as whit the TV action, this is a charity event hosted each year in Norway, a worthy cause is selected and one have a TV show whit celebrities and pepole going around to people's doors to ask for money for the cause. Allot of money do come in as this is one of the special days of the year, and then pepole are charitable, but perhaps it would do more good to give a little, all through the year, buy that old homeless man a cup of coffee or a simple meal, send 10 bucks to a child through one of the programs that build a life for poor children in development lands, or at least donate things you no longer use but that are just fine, like clothing and furniture to the salvation army. It always amaze me when pepole give loads of money to the TV action as that is a special day and the next day toss in the garbage things they could have used five more minutes to drop of at the salvation army. Special days make pepole do nice things for one another, but often, doing a little now and then all over the year is better.

May i wish you well

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RE: Women's day - 3/14/2008 5:38:40 AM

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Greetings

Ok the world just went crazy i am telling you. In Norway the politicians is so afraid of stay at home mothers, as they are afraid they are suppressed women that are not following the women's liberation thing that some politicians have suggested reduced taxes for families that even if they can afford the wife to stay at home, she go out to work and they hire a nanny or a maid instead. This is crazy to me, they want to reduce taxes so that women that do not want or need to work but instead want to raise the kids as a stay at home mom would want to join the workforce.

There is also a group of stay at home women that have build their own little kinder garden and stuff, and they are made fun of and are treated as traitors to the women's liberation. i am just appealed, i am all for free choice for women, but when such things, and one politician even suggested penalizing women that was housewives then freedom is lost in the attemnt to be free. i mean what is wrong whit being a housewife?

i wish you all well

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