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Express yourself - 3/10/2008 12:38:11 AM   
Maahsatti


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Greetings slaves

  I was reading another thread, not long ago and the first thing that entered my mind was. What the heck is a topic like this, doing in a Gorean forum?
It was the Womans Day thread. Womens day was brought about by the feminists and to me has no real place in a Gorean forum.
Worse, I actually closed out the thread and walked away from it, without so much as one word printed about how I felt.
Then I thought, what the heck am I doing? did I really just walk away like that, in fear of hurting some delicate feelings?I thought, that is not me, not me at all. Years ago, I would have walked away for that exact reason. but since living Gorean all these yrs I have learned to express my feelings and input, they way I see it and feelings be damned. providing I was truthful and not intentially cruel.
That is a very definate quality I have come to know about Goreans and that is, they speak their minds no matter who may appreciate it or not. I find it an admirable quality and a much needed quality, truth be told. specially in a day where you are looked upon as crazy if you are not politically correct with your insights and appearances.
I would appreciate knowing what other Goreans feel about this particular quality, that Goreans seem to take full advantage of.

Live well,
Maahsatti


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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 6:03:40 AM   
Cherylmazana


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Status: offline 		I think you are wrong Maahsatti about women’s day but not for the reasons you would imagine, so please put up with this post which is going to seem to be rambling and totally irrelevant to the issue but its not …lol trust me.

However you should really have said you don’t agree with it there and not worried about what people think, myself I don’t care if people agree or not, I choose what posts to reply to based upon if I think its going to have any benefit to anyone reading or not, or if I can be bothered to answer what seems to be something designed just to have an argument.

Anyway, back a few years ago we had world cup fever in the UK and people started putting the cross of St George on their cars to support England rather than the Union Jack which is for the combined countries. In the beginning when only a few were doing it the police started to stop people saying they had to remove the flags from their cars as it was of all things racist. Eventually they had to give up as about half the cars on the road had some form of George cross on them somewhere but initially they tried and even threatened court action.

This worried me, not going to court as if they had tried that with me I would have relished the idea of taking it to court to see if it was legal, and if it was letting people realise what was happening and how our rights are vanishing. Politicians have discussed having a British day, a holiday to show how proud we are of our country but it was stopped before it even got anywhere because of the fears of backlash from the aliens living in our country. Many of the stores stopped putting up Christmas decorations for fear of offending the other religions. In fact anything that celebrates a difference of any sort is discouraged however slowly we are starting to see the average person fighting back and saying time to stop this madness, we are different and proud of it.

Wanting to stop a day like women’s day is a sign of this very madness, it’s a day for women to be proud they are women and what’s wrong with that? I like being a woman, I don’t want to be a man, now I cant prevent others twisting it into a day to stand on a soapbox and revile men, but I can celebrate it my way, and I did.

I gave thanks that I have been blessed with the ability to give birth and hold my ums, I gave thanks that I am extremely lucky in this world because I have a good home, food in my belly and loved ones who are safe. I prayed for those women who have nothing and no one, or who fear for their partner’s lives fighting abroad. I gave thanks that every day I look in my husband’s eyes and know he loves me and finds me beautiful, even if I think I am too big and getting old. And most of all I am proud to be a woman.

I do not want to be a same, I like celebrating that I am different to a man and proud of it and I will fight to keep alive anything that celebrates that people are different, and if someone else feels the need to rant that pink phones are more expensive then in a strange and weird way she is also celebrating the differences between men and women even if she don’t see it that way.

Because ultimately the alternative is being told that you cannot have that pink phone they all have to be gender neutral grey and you cannot wave that flag because we are all of the human race and your country doesn’t matter, and there can be no differences between us we are all the same.

Cheryl

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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 6:26:33 AM   
Terrah


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Status: offline 		I love to express myself, I feel that is what the boards are for. I don't have a lot of people to talk to, so having something to express in my own way is wonderful.

I don't pay attention to black history month, or women's day or too awful much of anything that is celebrated but my clean date, which I got to choose myself and Easter, Christmas and 4th of July. I love my country and my God and choose to celebrate them. All the rest is great for whomever likes it, I would celebrate Presidents Day but I am really not sure why it's a holiday to begin with so I don't bother with it either. Cinco De Mayo, well that is for another country isn't it? Afterall that war was not in America, so why do we celebrate it to begin with? Hmmm..

I am sure there are many other celebrations and things to be spoken up for, but when it comes down to it, I am very happy if we were just to make everyday a day of thanks and appreciation of what we have and be kind to others if you can. But that's the new me.. having nearly died recently due to my illness I had, I have come to really be aware of others and where it is I fit into this world. I am so very happy to be here still.

I wish you all well,

Terrah


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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 6:40:17 AM   
OrionTheWolf


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Women can have their day, and shoe sales. Us Men have our steak and a blowjob day, which for me is any day I desire it. I will say that many of the female dominants that I was having a bit of fun with in the Off Topic section about this, were not enjoying my funny remarks. The only problem I see with Woman's day, is the people that take it too serious and then the females that use it as a day of hypocricy (meaning the feminist without a sense of humor). Females should be proud of what they are, hell I am glad they are around ;).

Live well,
Orion

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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 8:06:15 AM   
Maahsatti


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Status: offline 		Hi Orion, Cheryl,

I am all for being proud of ones gender. I am very proud to be a woman, but I see no reason why a special day should be set for it. I dont see a mens day around.
Orion, I am sure your sense of humor went over like a fart in church over there...LOL
but we loves ya, over here.
Cheryl, I still do not see how a subject centered on how wonderful it is to be a woman belongs on a Gorean forum.

Well wishes,
Maah


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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 8:34:39 AM   
MasterHighOne


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Status: offline 		You know, mine is a bit hot headed and (God bless the Irish . . . ) even she thought the shoe sale thing was funny. I'm not appose to Womans Day. I might see fit to not let oralee partake in it if she has to be punished. But I could se that day to My advantage as a way to show My appreciation for a previously, VERY, free minded woman submitting to Me. I'm still dealing wih the resonation of her free spirit now and then but, hey, let's face it. If she were completely complacent then she would be boring. I think it has a place in Earth based Gor Philosphy (excuse the spelling I'm in a hurry, late for work) oralee didn't even get to go shoe shopping, lol, but she got to go to a sex shop. Ok, gotta go, I had a lot more to say and was gonna be more articulater but time is money and I need a new roof! To the Car!

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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 9:24:43 AM   
Totalmaster4you


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Like you I see no intrinsic connection between womens day and Goreans unless it was asked "Do Gorean women celebrate womens day and why?" Too often things like this get hijacked from their original purpose and intent and no longer are true to their original definitions. I get equally annoyed by schools having black day/month or Hispanic week or any other special group that raises themselves up by excluding or pushing down others. If "they" (whoever they are...points finger at progressive liberals in the USA) want to be fair and balanced then let's have a white peoples day and look at all the wondrous things they've done/given to todays world. But it ain't gonna happen. Because the truth is that this isn't about celebrating a group. In my opinion it's about culture change to make everyone the same and average which is the polar opposite of how I think a Gorean should be.
 
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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 3:13:34 PM   
kajjirus


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Status: offline 		Greetings, Masters, Mistresses, slaves,

The Gorean truth-telling and lack of artifice is very much a rarity in this world, if You will allow a kajirus to say so.

Goreans seem to know themselves, despite the cliches and politically correct expectations, if it pleases you.

jidar

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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 5:11:38 PM   
Stephann


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Status: offline 		The Section Guidelines are a little vague when it comes to determining what should and shouldn't be discussed in this section of the forums.  "Topics that pertain to Gorean lifestyles" can be construed to address only issues associated with how Goreans live.  Does that extend to marriage?  There was no marriage in the Gorean ethos, yet many Goreans are, will, and have been married.

I express my views as a person who doesn't identify as Gorean, because I enjoy contributing to discussions with Goreans, and about Gor.  Women's day doesn't mean squat in the Gorean ethos, but I'd say the importance of women and the role they play in Gorean society means very much.  Women's day, in context, can certainly be a springboard to address such topics, as they pertain to Goreans.

But I agree, I don't need a men's day.  As Orion pointed out, Steak and Blowjob day comes any day that I figure I want both things.  If a bunch of folks want to celebrate wimmen's day, I say lets get it on!  I'll see how many wimmens I can get to celebrate it with me, in an inflatable tub, bikinis, and oil in my living room.

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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 6:10:51 PM   
Maahsatti


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Well put Stephan.

Take care,
Maah


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Outlaw of Gor, pg 54

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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 6:12:18 PM   
Maahsatti


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Status: offline 		Hi Tym,

I hear ya Toots,

Take care,
Babs


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Gorean women, whether slave or Free,know, that their simple presence, brings joy to men,and I cannot think but that this pleases them.
Outlaw of Gor, pg 54

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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 6:19:53 PM   
Aswad


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ORIGINAL: Maahsatti

I dont see a mens day around.


"International Men's Day is an international holiday, celebrated on the first Saturday of November."

You might have noticed that it was pointed out a few times on the other thread. And one of the issues raised was exactly the difference between a day where people take a time-out to think about something, and taking small time-outs in our everyday lives to think about the same things. In the modern lifestyle, few people do the latter, so the former serves a certain purpose. For those of us who do reflect on a daily basis, it's a bit redundant, of course.

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I still do not see how a subject centered on how wonderful it is to be a woman belongs on a Gorean forum.


It's a pretty major topic in the books, actually, that the Free Women of Gor are held in much higher esteem than women on Earth. As such, Women's Day can actually be a suitable thing to observe for a Gorean, in that it can be a time to reflect on the difference in standing between the average Gorean Free Woman and the average woman in e.g. India, Africa, and the other places where their standing is significantly lower. It can also be a time to reflect on the spousal abuse that takes place in homes all over the Western world, particularly in Christian homes, where 1 in 4 women are battered regularly.

Health,
al-Aswad.


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From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do." -- Rorschack, Watchmen.


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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 8:13:28 PM   
Maahsatti


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particularly in Christian homes, where 1 in 4 women are battered regularly.


Ones religious beliefs I belief has little to no baring on spousal abuse. That has to do with an individuals mind frame and obvious sickness within their mind.
Like I said. I see no wrong in being proud of ones gender, but for me womens day more represents the feminists womens movements, which brought about negetive and even violent feelings and behaviors towards men.It very much strayed from the good intentions of making life better and easier for women and became a man bashing fest of beliefs. which has ultimately significantly helped in the downfall and destruction of the family unit as well as numerous other negetives in daily life. Of course these are my own views and opinions. That is why in my mind it has no place in a Gorean forum or within the Gorean philosophy.
Yes FW on Gor were reveared with high respect and affection, but that is because women of Gor knew their places and did not, unlike earth women, challenge men and their dominance/leadership at every turn.

Maahsatti


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Gorean women, whether slave or Free,know, that their simple presence, brings joy to men,and I cannot think but that this pleases them.
Outlaw of Gor, pg 54

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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 8:16:22 PM   
dcnovice


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particularly in Christian homes, where 1 in 4 women are battered regularly.


I'm stunned by this figure. Where did you learn it?

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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 8:33:44 PM   
Stephann


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Status: offline 		Jah, I'd love to know the figures in Christian vs Non Christian homes.  Then stack that against Muslim homes.

Just sayin.

Stephan


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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 9:10:02 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		Greetings Maah,

Not supporting Aswad's comment, but cultural influences also have a bearing on what the US would consider spousal abuse. Some cultures are centered around religion, so to some degree religion can play a part in it. Also remember what Mark Twain said abouts statistics "....there are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics."

I also would not call it a sickness, as that then relieves the individual from taking responsibility for the actions. It is a weak ethical and moral code that leads people to inflict harm on those that it is usually their responsibility to protect.

As to the Free Woman comment, while I have high regard for you as a Free Woman, there have been several in this very forum that prove your statement false. Often using justification and rationalization to dishonor themselves by breaking some of the codes they proclaim to uphold.

Women's day does not bother me, no more than being at a pub where a Fem Nazi is spouting anti male vitrol. It only bothers me if I give it power.

There are many things that have contributed to families being different, worse in mine and your opinion, than they were many years ago.

In the end, we are human, we are a self aware animal, and a conscience is unique to us only among all the animals. We live, we love, we laugh, we weep, we die, all in a cycle.

Live well,
Orion


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ORIGINAL: Maahsatti

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particularly in Christian homes, where 1 in 4 women are battered regularly.


Ones religious beliefs I belief has little to no baring on spousal abuse. That has to do with an individuals mind frame and obvious sickness within their mind.
Like I said. I see no wrong in being proud of ones gender, but for me womens day more represents the feminists womens movements, which brought about negetive and even violent feelings and behaviors towards men.It very much strayed from the good intentions of making life better and easier for women and became a man bashing fest of beliefs. which has ultimately significantly helped in the downfall and destruction of the family unit as well as numerous other negetives in daily life. Of course these are my own views and opinions. That is why in my mind it has no place in a Gorean forum or within the Gorean philosophy.
Yes FW on Gor were reveared with high respect and affection, but that is because women of Gor knew their places and did not, unlike earth women, challenge men and their dominance/leadership at every turn.

Maahsatti



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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 9:17:24 PM   
amelliagrace


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http://new.vawnet.org/category/Documents.php?docid=863
 
http://www.lib.umich.edu/govdocs/stsoc.html
 
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TESA91VD678UFFGAC
 
http://www.helium.com/items/643143-coalition-christians-formed-south
 
http://www.abanet.org/domviol/statistics.html
 
http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/the_death_of_aqsa_parvez_should_be_an_interfaith_call_to_action/
 
http://www.christiansurvivors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20747

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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 9:21:18 PM   
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particularly in Christian homes, where 1 in 4 women are battered regularly.


I'm stunned by this figure. Where did you learn it?


Most of what I've read indicates that the percentages of both domestic violence and divorce hold very close, across the lines of "actively churched" vs "non-actively churched".
 
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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 9:23:49 PM   
Maahsatti


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Status: offline 		Hi Orion,

Thank you for your response. It made a lot of sense and has given me much to think about and reflect on.
while I admit I am a woman pretty much set in her ways. I am not so single minded that I can not admit when I am wrong, or rather let myself be enlightened to a whole knew perspective and understanding. again, thank you for giving me the oportunity to do just that.

Much care,
Maah


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RE: Express yourself - 3/10/2008 9:35:49 PM   
Kirata


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Most of what I've read indicates that the percentages of both domestic violence and divorce hold very close, across the lines of "actively churched" vs "non-actively churched".
 

You must mean very close across the lines of "actively churched" vs "non-actively churched" Christians, right? That's my guess, because I would find it hard to think of Jews and Muslims (or myself, for that matter) as non-actively "churched". But are the percentages any different between Christians and non-Christians?
 
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