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Heeling Dilemma - 9/27/2005 2:37:16 AM   
krys


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Status: offline 		Master and I will be attending an event that I expect to be quite crowded. Lot of people, lots of people trying to stop you to sell you something, and the crowd will often be moving and in different directions. Under the circumstances, I feel that a normal heeling distance of several feet may cause us to get separated. While people have a tendency to part around Master like the Red Sea, the same is not true for me. I don't have a lot of experience in crowds as I usually avoid them, and I am not very experienced yet heeling.

Does anyone have any suggestions on the best distance to keep from being intrusive without getting lost in the crowd?

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 9/27/2005 2:52:36 AM   
Gem


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I am not sure if your owner employees a leash and collar, however perhaps in this instance he could, ( even a length of chain about the waist would work just as well) this way you can stay the porper distance away and yet still be "attached" to him.

My owner employees the leash sometimes, sometimes he requires that I place a "death grip" on his elbow, however this does bring you closer than is your norm.

I hope that gives you some ideas :)

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 9/27/2005 3:31:13 AM   
krys


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Status: offline 		Thank you for your reply. I forgot to mention under the specific circumstances, a leash or chain is out of the question. But it definately gives me some ideas. I have waist length hair. And if I get jostled in the crowd, I won't get strangled.

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 9/27/2005 5:47:27 AM   
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Thank you for your reply. I forgot to mention under the specific circumstances, a leash or chain is out of the question. But it definately gives me some ideas. I have waist length hair. And if I get jostled in the crowd, I won't get strangled.


Get yourself a 5 foot length of conduit or lightweight pipe. People will wonder why you're carrying it, but they'll have to get out of the way.

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 9/27/2005 6:37:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: krys
Does anyone have any suggestions on the best distance to keep from being intrusive without getting lost in the crowd?


your left shoulder in line with his right shoulder, 2-3' behind (or the other side if that's where he prefers to have you). any time it gets narrow, you just side-step until you're more to right behind him until past the obstruction if you -really- have to.

you'll find making that "your space" mentally will help have people move out of the way. body language helps, as does raising your off hand in a warding off gesture if people start to get in the way. "screw politeness, your place is at heel" is a good way to get that place established.

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 9/27/2005 10:36:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		i am terrible at getting lost in the growd, and quite lifestyle unrelates i usualy walk behind the pepole i am whit, and hold unto thir arm or even clothing somtimes if i know them well. But then i am true terrible whit crowds of pepole.

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 9/27/2005 10:52:04 AM   
Rover


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Status: offline 		Personally, when in a crowd I prefer that my girl walk directly in front of me. Much like your Master, people tend to get out of my way and with her (literally) inches in front of me, she can ride that "bow wake" like a dolphin in front of an ocean liner (ok, I got a chuckle out of the analogy).

There is an additional benefit in that I can keep a close eye on her, and those that have wandering hands (sadly, lifestylers are not immune to such things) are less prone to take the chance (well, there was this guy in Columbus, OH... they call him "Lefty" now).

John

P.S. - I understand that this suggestion may not work for those who employ a personal protocol requiring a girl (or boy) to walk behind their Master/Mistress (I do not adhere to such a protocol, so it works well for me).

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 9/27/2005 11:02:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rover
P.S. - I understand that this suggestion may not work for those who employ a personal protocol requiring a girl (or boy) to walk behind their Master/Mistress (I do not adhere to such a protocol, so it works well for me).


while edana was here for my birthday, we (my Master, edana, and myself) were heading back to the metro station and edana and I both naturally ended up heeling, behind and to either side ... my Master, being my Master *grin*, wanted us both in front of him (so he could "admire the view" as he put it) ... except each time we came to a road junction, and waited for the light, by the time we got across the junction edana and I were back heeling behind him.

some instincts and training are hard to break :)

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 9/27/2005 12:53:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		"my Master, being my Master *grin*, wanted us both in front of him (so he could "admire the view" as he put it)[/quote]my Master, being my Master *grin*, wanted us both in front of him (so he could "admire the view" as he put it)"

Your Master will have to answer to the powers that be for sharing this classified information with you. I'm reporting him to the Dominant/Master board of trustees.

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 9/27/2005 1:07:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rover
Your Master will have to answer to the powers that be


my Master is always happy to answer to himself :)

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 9/27/2005 1:13:39 PM   
Rover


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Status: offline 		*LMAO* Touche!!!

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 9/27/2005 3:16:52 PM   
krys


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Status: offline 		Thank you miikaawaadizi. Earlier on my Master wanted me in front, also to admire the view, but has now started training me to heel. Eventually, the reflexes will adjust I am sure. (I still sit around waiting for permission to eat, which is rather funny when I am home alone.)

Thank you for your suggestions. And if politeness, and its lack does not work, I can always fall back on that whole "Ooga booga scary goth girl" thing. :)

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 9/27/2005 3:39:25 PM   
nephandi


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Status: offline 		Ok i ahve gone through some memories and i find that walking directly behing somone, not to the side but directly back helps me avoid getting lost, at least if I ingore those around me, and if that work for somone whit Aspergers syndrome it will surly work for somone else. Oggie Boogie scary Goth girl would work to it think.

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 9/27/2005 4:21:45 PM   
Angrylibrarian


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Status: offline 		Ive never enjoyed being heeled. I talk a alot, make a lot of jokes and observations and can't stand wondering where the slut is every five minutes. I believe there is such thing as "social heeling" (ok I made that up just now) where the girls at your elbow ready to pretend I'm constantly funny.

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 9/27/2005 6:23:21 PM   
edana


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I believe there is such thing as "social heeling" (ok I made that up just now) where the girls at your elbow ready to pretend I'm constantly funny.


*giggles*

yes, master... i can sooo see that. oh wait... i have!

i wish you well, Master Alex. my love to jen and deb.

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 9/27/2005 8:24:34 PM   
Nosathro


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Status: offline 		Tal As for me if is out in a vanilla world heeling would not apply. If it were say at a Dungeon Play Party or something like that I would perfer collar and leash. If that was not available the distance would be 3 paces behind...1 for Love, 1, for Honor and 1 for Respect.

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 10/6/2005 10:33:17 AM   
SirSix72


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Status: offline 		Tal,

I tend to have bella hold onto my back pocket in large crowds so that she is still heeling but not far from me. I do this especially in New Orleans when walking in a large number of people.

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 10/6/2005 5:27:01 PM   
Wildfleurs


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ORIGINAL: krys

Master and I will be attending an event that I expect to be quite crowded. Lot of people, lots of people trying to stop you to sell you something, and the crowd will often be moving and in different directions. Under the circumstances, I feel that a normal heeling distance of several feet may cause us to get separated. While people have a tendency to part around Master like the Red Sea, the same is not true for me. I don't have a lot of experience in crowds as I usually avoid them, and I am not very experienced yet heeling.

Does anyone have any suggestions on the best distance to keep from being intrusive without getting lost in the crowd?


Basically I've found that you learn to navigate the crowd. For me its a balance of staying behind him (except when he has me walk in front of him typically up stairs since I used to have a bad habit of turning my ankle and once turned it while walking down stairs), but giving him breathing room, but also not loosing focus of him. I find that a mindset of "stay behind him at any cost is very helpful." Whether it be politely saying excuse me while literally pushing myself through, or finding holes in the crowd to slide through, and not getting distracted there are ways to make it through a crowd without compromising on what is important.

C~

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 10/6/2005 5:28:25 PM   
krys


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Status: offline 		We are back now and all worked out well. Thank you everyone for your replies and help.

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RE: Heeling Dilemma - 10/7/2005 1:46:27 PM   
Malkinius


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Status: offline 		Greetings Nosathro...

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro
Tal As for me if is out in a vanilla world heeling would not apply. If it were say at a Dungeon Play Party or something like that I would perfer collar and leash. If that was not available the distance would be 3 paces behind...1 for Love, 1, for Honor and 1 for Respect.

Nosathro


Heeling works real well in the real world and does not look all that strange unless you have a group of 5 slaves behind you. That did happen once to me. <grins> We made sort of a V formation going down the sidewalk.

I don't know where you get the three things for three paces back except that since you keep mentioning your online play I have to assume it comes from there. In close quarters one step behind keeps the slave in the Master's reach if need be and he can help her get through crowds that way. In general usage I prefer one to three steps back. Close enough I can either reach or stop and have her within reach. Also close enough that the slave can move ahead and open a door for me.

This is a place for talking reality Nosathro...not online play. Goreans don't usually do Dungeon Play Parties, those are reserved for the BDSMers. I do like your Ren Faire outfit tho. <grins>

Be well....

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