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A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/29/2005 12:39:01 PM   
edana


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Status: offline 		Greetings Masters,
hello sisters

Being my master’s slave is the most romantic experience of my life. So many things that he does, from his tending to me, training of me, discipline, and use, are all so very romantic.

What is romance to a girl? I thought about this today… I told my master that for me it was an act or action that he implemented that caused me to experience strong feelings of love, and tenderness. Usually a moment in time, like watching a movie, or dinner on the boat at sunset, or breakfast at a little place on the harbor. It can be even as simple as a soft caress or gentle praise.

I’d love to hear what the other slaves here feel is romantic.

Masters: Is there any aspect of “Romance” that could be attributed to your own feelings?

Like for me - this feeling: “oh he is so handsome, and strong, he takes such good care of me, look at how he looks at me! God I love him” = romantic moment


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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/29/2005 12:45:10 PM   
Rover


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Status: offline 		edana, that's a lovely example of how romance can coexist in power exchange relationships, and how one need not come "out of character" as a Dominant or Master in order to be romantic, comforting or anything else that's a human trait (admittedly, some folks do not have a romantic bone in their body and it WOULD be out of character for them... but those people are, in my experience, rare).

Brought a nice smile to me, thanks for sharing.

John

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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/29/2005 12:53:40 PM   
plantlady64


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Status: offline 		Hello There,
I think the most romantic thing I do with my Master is sit in his lap. I have never felt so loved, protected, comforted, and valued in my life as I do when I'm in his lap. My everything just sighs with full joy when I'm his little girl in his lap.
Other romantic things to me are little things like giving me the night off from cooking dinner as he knows I've had a bad day at work or I'm not feeling well, having him pay attention to what emotions I'm feeling and feeling like he's in tune with me, running across little notes that say I love you left for me to find, holding hands, massages, the way my Master looks in my eyes like he hasn't seen me in years when I get home from work, walking in a park, cuddeling in our bed at night, knowing my Master desires me, and that he accepts me as His.
All these things are romance to me. For me it's not about limo rides, expensive nights on the town or for that matter geographic locations in general, fancy clothing or things like that. It's knowing I bring joy and peace to my Master we can share.
For me romantic notions come from within ourselves and can't be bought or paid for.
Sincerely,
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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/29/2005 1:05:14 PM   
edana


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Status: offline 		I agree with you in that every moment in the collar of our master is romantic per say. meaning that there is never a time when i am not acutly aware that i am in love with him.

An example of what i am talking about, when i speak of "moments in time" is for instance. For one year now, i have changed my eating habits. My master has me eat very simple foods, basically nothing that you could not eat raw from the wild. My body finally got used to eating this way, and I have become much more healthy, inside and out. Now when my master.. the man who put me on this feed schedule, decides that he would delight to see my pretty smile, he will feed me a treat. As i am licking chocolate from his fingertips i am simply more accutly aware of the depth of love i feel towards this man. It does not mean i loved him less before... it means i am just made aware of it all over again. The other aspect that fits into this example is that after not having "chocolate" on a regular basis... when it is fed to you.... it's the best chocolate in the world! ... very much like the tenderness of a master when it is bestowed on his property. it's precious, and ... inspires that tender romantic feeling in a girls belly.

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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/29/2005 1:29:52 PM   
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quote:

thought about this today… I told my master that for me it was an act or action that he implemented that caused me to experience strong feelings of love, and tenderness. Usually a moment in time, like watching a movie, or dinner on the boat at sunset, or breakfast at a little place on the harbor. It can be even as simple as a soft caress or gentle praise.


Mine is very similar to yours- it's the little unexpected things they do that shows a true insight and a pure intimate connection.

One of the most romantic things I've ever had done for me was in coming home from the Arisia convention this January. There was a HUGE blizzard in Boston that weekend and our flight was cancelled. We headed down on a train, which suffered delay after delay. My boyfriend, who was expected to pick us up, had to keep hearing my messages over and over about a new time and place to meet us.

He picked us up in his warm car. He had a cold coke waiting for me and a hot cup of coffee for the owner. It was the most insightful and amazing thing for us.

AND he cleaned off the owners car and gave him a jump with his cables when it wouldn't start.

That's true love and romance for me.

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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/29/2005 1:51:20 PM   
miikaawaadizi


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quote:

ORIGINAL: edana
after not having "chocolate" on a regular basis... when it is fed to you.... it's the best chocolate in the world! ... very much like the tenderness of a master when it is bestowed on his property. it's precious, and ... inspires that tender romantic feeling in a girls belly.


*whimpers*

key lime pie ... birthday cake!!!

*whimpers*

~miika

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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/29/2005 4:00:10 PM   
KatyLied


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Status: offline 		For me, it's the smallest of things, and they are often not romantic in nature. Those are the things that I go back to and hold. "Here's some sunscreen" "Here's a muffin for road" (he buttered it!). It is those gestures of being "taken care of" that I find appealing and affectionate. I am service-oriented and when he does things for me, it is wow. I don't expect it and that makes it even better.

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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/29/2005 5:33:21 PM   
nenakajira


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Status: offline 		hrmm.. I'd answer this edana but when I use the "R" word Master develops some strange twitches *grins*

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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/29/2005 5:50:33 PM   
kisshou


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Status: offline 		The detailes are too intimate to share but every romantic daydream I have ever had the Owner has made come true.

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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/29/2005 5:54:25 PM   
Leonidas


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Status: offline 		This post comes from a conversation that edana and I had this morning in which we talked about the fact that a man can allow a slave girl her romantic notions about her life, because he is in no way obligated to see them in the same light. It's one of the ways in which our way embraces male/female differences, rather than trying to enforce an artifical "sameness".

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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/29/2005 9:03:14 PM   
IronBear


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Status: offline 		edna,

This is a delightful thread which I have hopes in watching flourish and enjoy reading. I enjoy reading your posts and my thoughts tend to form in a view of a slave who is being well taught by the right Master for her.

My romantic aspects tend to be a somewhat Victorian romance I have with my Lady who is both Free Companion and Wife. If and when a kajira is added to our home, yes there will me love and perhaps something romantic but of this I frankly cant envisage as yet, not having the dynamic in place at this time.


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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/30/2005 5:05:28 AM   
EmeraldSlave2


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Leonidas

This post comes from a conversation that edana and I had this morning in which we talked about the fact that a man can allow a slave girl her romantic notions about her life, because he is in no way obligated to see them in the same light. It's one of the ways in which our way embraces male/female differences, rather than trying to enforce an artifical "sameness".

But vanilla and bdsm relationships do the same thing all the time- allow females to hold romantic notions about life which no one expects the males to actually fulfill.

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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/30/2005 5:45:49 AM   
Leonidas


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But vanilla and bdsm relationships do the same thing all the time- allow females to hold romantic notions about life which no one expects the males to actually fulfill.


I agree with you. That's not exactly what I was saying though. I fulfill quite a few of edana's "romantic notions", I just wouldn't label or experience the same event the same way. For me, sunset over the harbor from the deck of my boat with a pretty woman at my feet isn't "romantic" at all. I enjoy it, but I don't experience it the same way that a woman would. For edana, it is hopelessly so. I find that pretty, and I can find it pretty and enjoy it, because I feel no obligation to "be romantic" (in other words, have the same emotional experience that a woman would).

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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/30/2005 6:13:42 AM   
lisaSea


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Status: offline 		Greetings Masters, Mistresses and slaves...

What was that saying..."women are from Venus, men are from Mars?"

*smiles sleepily and dashes off to start the day*

lisa{Sea's}



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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/30/2005 6:14:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Leonidas
I find that pretty, and I can find it pretty and enjoy it, because I feel no obligation to "be romantic" (in other words, have the same emotional experience that a woman would).

Ahhh see that's a sexist and false statement for me.

I can agree with the idea that YOU (who happen to be male) will always experience things differently from YOUR slave (who happens to be female).

I might agree to some connection with that differential in experience being somewhat related to you being male and her being female.

But are you suggesting that no male could ever have the same emotional experience as a female if they are gorean? Could Walt Whitman or Robert Frost or William Shakespeare never be gorean because of that? And why would being gorean make a difference there because genetics and upbringing are no different in goreans than in non-goreans?

I understand the underlying concept that goreans celebrate the male/female differential, promote sexist roles and authority, and in some ways I can admire that in my the same way I can admire yin/yang and any sort of dualistic spirituality.

But I don't understand the concept that males, by sole virtue of being male, necessarily can and will ONLY experience things differently from females, by sole virtue of being female.

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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/30/2005 6:58:31 AM   
Rover


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Status: offline 		Emerald, this is a general reply and your tab just happened to be at the bottom of the list and as you're not Gorean, you won't find this to be a slight to your lifestyle.

I don't label, experience or feel sex the same way as a woman either. I still enjoy it immensely.

Nor have I met many women who label, experience or feel the same about football as I do.

Men and women (regardless of lifestyle) label, experience and feel things differently. Sheesh, go figure.

John

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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/30/2005 7:00:45 AM   
Leonidas


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Ahhh see that's a sexist and false statement for me.


Sexist, yeah, if your definition of sexist is daring to notice that boys and girls are different. False? Sure, but only in the sense that all generalizations are false because you can always present a counter-example. While generalizations might always be false, they can be useful as hell. They are what let us open doors without having to figure out how a door-knob works each time. Yes, some doors work differently, and we may be momentarily stumped until we figure out how that particular door works, but our generalization stands us in good stead the vast majority of the time.

Enough "romance novels" are published each year to sink an armada of battleships. Who writes them? Who reads them? In both cases, it's almost exclusively women. So, is the generalization "women are far more interested in romance than men" false? Sure, but it's true enough often enough to be damn useful.

Can't comment too much about the authors that you mention, other than to say that yeah, they can never be Gorean, because they're dead. Shakespeare wrote many of his sonnets to young boys, so, while he shared my sex, his sexuality, and his emotional makeup may have been a lot closer to my slave girl's than to mine. It would be a little difficult to place old Will anywhere near the fat part of the masculinity bell-curve.

Yes, I think that men (in the general sense) have a very different experience of the world than women (in the general sense) and that if we acknowledged and embraced that difference we'd be happier than we have made ourselves by trying, as you are here, to deny it, and say that it doesn't matter.



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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/30/2005 7:11:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oy, I agree with almost all of this post, Leonidas. Until you start equating sexual orientation with gender (ie: male bisexuality or homosexuality as being mutually exclusive with "masculinity").

I have spent a fair amount of time in some local gay communities (I have a gay family member and socialize quite often), know quite a few bisexual and gay men (within the lifestyle and without) and cannot say that I come to the same conclusion. Many of the bisexual and gay men I know include cops, marines, atheletes etc. and they're the epitome of masculinity.

Are there "flaming" gay men? Sure, just as there are butch women. And there PLENTY of.... gosh, searching for a term you might be equating with this notion because it's so foreign to me... "wimpy" (?) straight men and "strong" (?) straight women?

John

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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/30/2005 7:20:37 AM   
EmeraldSlave2


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ORIGINAL: Leonidas
Yes, I think that men (in the general sense) have a very different experience of the world than women (in the general sense) and that if we acknowledged and embraced that difference we'd be happier than we have made ourselves by trying, as you are here, to deny it, and say that it doesn't matter.

I agree with this in a general sense as well. I'm also more humanist and believe every human should embrace their own uniqueness and their own generality to become who they are.

But the original statement, and Rover's statement, at least to me, imply a deeper axiom- the females, by sole virture of being female, CANNOT experience the same emotions and processes as males, by sole virture of being male.

As you said, and as I agree with, there are numerous examples to the contrary, which obviously make the supposed axiom false. For example, Rover has never met my mother (probably) and thus does not know that she is as rabid and devoted a football fan as you will find.

The fact that there are numerous exceptions prove the generality is false and that there is nothing by virture of simply BEING a male or female which precludes or includes certain emotions, even if, on a general level, there is a definite correllation (not causation).


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RE: A Gorean Romance ~~<~~**** - 9/30/2005 7:21:41 AM   
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quote:

I understand the underlying concept that goreans celebrate the male/female differential, promote sexist roles and authority, and in some ways I can admire that in my the same way I can admire yin/yang and any sort of dualistic spirituality.

But I don't understand the concept that males, by sole virtue of being male, necessarily can and will ONLY experience things differently from females, by sole virtue of being female.


Hey Emerald,
I think if we go back in time in the USA to the 1800's. While women were treated very different then men in society the society worked a lot smoother than it does now women have been so called liberated. Yes, it sucked women couldn't own property, but it was good women had men to take care of them. To me the trade would have been worth the benefits.
It's funny how women want a man to hold the door open and treat them like a lady & then want to run their home and man in the more masucline role. I personally would have loved to be able to stay home, take care of my Man, Children & nest. I think people had better values and more security when our roles were more clearly defined.
I agree there are woman leaders who've made a huge difference in the world & that we are equally valuable, but I think to have a Man in charge at home is the balance I'm most happy in.

Sincerely,
sub suzanne

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