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A Gorean Rant - 9/29/2005 9:32:18 PM

Leonidas

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I saw the flashing lights as I rode my bike down the freeway offramp. I got to the bottom just in time to see the cops putting his bunches of flowers into the trunk of their car and drive away. They let him keep the 5 gallon bucket in which he'd been keeping them. I saw him stand up from the curb where they had made him sit, pick up his bucket, and push the walk button to cross the street. In his eyes I could see the conversation he was mulling over with his wife about why there would be no trip to the grocery store tonight.

"Not in my fucking city", I muttered under my breath as I pulled my bike over and stopped where he was. In my broken spanish, I told him that I was sorry it happened, and that I knew he was only trying to feed his family as I thrust the 40 bucks I had in my pocket into his hand. I would have given him more if I had more on me. In his broken english he told me that he and his family were grateful, and we shook hands and regarded each other. We were men, and we shared in common the desire to be a man. What we did for a living didn't matter. What we had, or didn't have didn't either. We were men, and that was enough in common.

Where in the hell did this go wrong? Not two blocks from where we were standing were buildings full of people who don't work, won't work, and have not the slightest concept of the manhood that he and I recognized in each other. They get checks in the mail every month. When did we develop the callouses that allow us to kick a man who is only trying to be a man because he was born on the wrong side of some line, or because he doesn't have the right forms filled out in triplicate? I don't know, but not in my fucking city. Not tonight.

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 9/29/2005 9:43:44 PM

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In this, you and I agree.

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 9/29/2005 10:31:19 PM

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I'd like to think more people would have done something similar, but I doubt it. There aren't enough who would.

Leonidas, I don't believe you and I have ever posted directly to each other. However, I've read a lot of threads where you state your thoughts and beliefs about a lot of things, including why you call yourself Gorean. I think that if the world, regardless of community, had men and women living by the same standards you do, it would probably be better off.

And as much as I try to have that much honor and a sense of what's right, I don't always live by it.

Blah, cold pills make me ramble.

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 9/30/2005 4:50:20 AM

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Sadly, one of the criterion of "civilized" countries (ie: democratic socialism) is to reward those that rely upon the state, and punish those (often by, literally, confiscatory policies) who have, most often by virtue of their personal work ethic (but admittedly some, many fewer than the state would claim, by benefit of inheritance) enjoy true independence from the state itself.

There was a time when charity began at home (and for some it still does). Now people watch and wait for the state to step in (or even to, by virtue of state "charity" plundered from its citizens, have prevented the tragedy in the first place).

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 9/30/2005 6:58:58 AM

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Well done, but it begs a question. Would you have acted in a similar fashion if the flower seller was a woman?

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 9/30/2005 7:35:51 AM

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Oh, hell no. I'd have yelled "nice bucket, bitch!" and given her the finger as a rode on by.

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 9/30/2005 7:36:55 AM

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lets everyone know her master has a warped sense of humor***

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 9/30/2005 7:39:25 AM

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Now THAT'S the sort of sardonic humor I can relate to!!! *LMAO*

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 9/30/2005 7:43:23 AM

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Tal..In the City of Ar, begging was outlawed but there were those who still begged. It is sad that in the moderan world there are those who rely on Welfare State and not be self suffient. It is true that there are those who because of a medical condition can not be self suffient. What I like about Gor was that it was expected that all Free do something and above all show Honor.

I wish You Well

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 9/30/2005 7:45:42 AM

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quote:

Oh, hell no. I'd have yelled "nice bucket, bitch!" and given her the finger as a rode on by.

hehe

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 9/30/2005 8:04:16 AM

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Greetings..~smiles~

Can hear her own Master saying just about the same thing as Leonidas Sir but instead of giving the finger would add on: alittle more cleavage exposure next time though and wink..lol

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 9/30/2005 8:38:03 AM

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 9/30/2005 8:50:54 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Leonidas

Oh, hell no. I'd have yelled "nice bucket, bitch!" and given her the finger as a rode on by.

How about a serious answer?

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 9/30/2005 9:00:12 AM

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quote:

How about a serious answer?

Sure, you probably won't like it, but I think you knew that before you posted the question:

I'd have given her the money. She too, probably, would be out there because she had a family to feed. I would have wondered at the circumstances that drove a woman to be in a part of town that dangerous at that time of night. I would have suspected that it had to do with the abdication of manhood by some man that she had trusted, and I probably would have been right. Unlike the man I met, I would not have shaken her hand and rode away. I would have, if she let me, made sure that she got home, or at least to a safer streetcorner than the one on which she was standing. In other words, I would have treated her like a free woman of my city.

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 9/30/2005 9:29:34 AM

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Why wouldn't I like it? Aside from your suspicions of the circumstances that put here in that particular position, you say that you would have acted similarly. There isn't anything there to find fault with.

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 9/30/2005 9:52:15 AM

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I would have, if she let me, made sure that she got home, or at least to a safer streetcorner than the one on which she was standing. In other words, I would have treated her like a free woman of my city.

It's nice to know that there are people like you out in the world.

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 9/30/2005 4:40:53 PM

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Well done Leonidas. your actions bring credit to every man, regardless of kink or lack of it. I'm curious to know what would have happened if the cops were still there?

I have to be honest. I, when I was 15 committed an act of cowardess. My comrad was embattled by on overwhelming force. To engage would have been sheer suicide.. I did not. Till this day it bothers me that I did not. I can't change that past, but I can certainly rise to the occasion from then on.

Perhaps in those times, we learn the value of honor?

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 10/3/2005 7:03:57 PM

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Oh, hell no. I'd have yelled "nice bucket, bitch!" and given her the finger as a rode on by.

*laughs* you are truly demented

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 10/3/2005 7:27:55 PM

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Werry nice post Leonidas, many here talk of honor in big words but actions like that show honor.

However i would like to put in to the discussion that not all of us that dont work are lazy, i have a disability pension, i have that becouse i have Aspergers Syndrome, all to often i hear well you ahve two legs and working arms why dont you work? they dont understand that it can be just as hard to fuction in sosiety and work whit an psycological differance from the normal as an physical one.

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RE: A Gorean Rant - 10/3/2005 9:34:49 PM

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(Ouch!!)
I have MS, so I DEFINITELY UNDEDRSTAND!

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