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Free woman vs a slave - 9/30/2005 4:57:05 PM   
Webmaster60


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Status: offline 		I have been associated with a few Masters in my time. I was reading a post when I first came here where a Master spoke of his free companion. over the next few days, it caused me much wonder. Understand from the onset, that I am NOT passing judgement, I truly seek to understand:

Why, if a man has a slave, and the bondage is, as it should be; would he then, free the slave to stand beside him? I cannot imagine circumstance where I would do that. Now know that I understand it doesn't have to work for me. Nor do my feelings bear on the issue, but I do want to know.

Further, why would a slave, if her bondage burns in her belly, seek to be free of that bondage? I undersand that there is a bit of free woman in every slave, but if the call of a slave is as is as strong in the girl as the call of a Master is to me, I could no more ignore it than I could food or water.

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RE: Free woman vs a slave - 9/30/2005 5:23:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you refer to a post in which I was seeking sites where a woman who had just been released and created a Free Woman (yep the Manumission Papers were done correctly), could learn how to be a Free Woman. Its an oddity I’ll agree but not unheard of in the books just rarely done. The couple are close friends of mine yet to this day I do not know the ins and outs of the situation. Frankly it is none of my business anyway. Would I do this? No I wouldn’t unless there were extenuation circumstances the like of which I cannot envision. My own Wife/Free Companion has never been collared; it’s not in her nature.

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RE: Free woman vs a slave - 9/30/2005 5:39:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		With all Due Respect IronBear, do you personally feel a women could be your slave yet a Free Woman?

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RE: Free woman vs a slave - 9/30/2005 5:59:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		is there a difference in relationships between a man and His slave vs. a man and His free companion, like is so heavily extenuated in the books? Even if the free companion is His wife?

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n - 9/30/2005 6:59:24 PM   
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RE: Free woman vs a slave - 9/30/2005 9:40:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Quivver

With all Due Respect IronBear, do you personally feel a women could be your slave yet a Free Woman?

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I seriously doubt it. If we were talking in BDSM terms, the answer is yes oerhaps, but in Gorean terms which is the only way i will accept a sleve into my collar, I was her total submission. She is my property and completely subject to my will. If she did this, she could not be a Free Woman.

Perhaps the nearest way I can demonstrate this (seeing that bloody oversided duck pond stops me letting you see how we live), is to explain that my lady is quite a dominant person yet she likes to make people happy. Let a male dry to Dom her and he just may understand castration by her hands or teeth ~ RWL ~ Yet with me she will mostly defer to my choices. We have things about the home which each of us are better off doing. She will stand up to me especially when I'm being bloody minded and refusing to take my diabetes medication. However in the final analysis, I have if I choose to exorcise it, the final decision about everything in the home. Intimately she is very submissive to me, but that also is partly because I seduce her.

I'm hoping this answers you question lass. If you need to go into specifics, plese message me and I'll be happy to oblige.


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is there a difference in relationships between a man and His slave vs. a man and His free companion, like is so heavily extenuated in the books? Even if the free companion is His wife?


the diference is probably a Gorean one and depending if they live in a home which is just a home as different to a Gorean Home where they life a Gorean lifestyle. If for example a man is married and he is a Gorean lifestyler but his wife has no interest in Gor. I'd immagine that there would be compromises made. the reall answer you seek, will vary from couple to couple. In my case, remove Gor and we would still live the same way and both be just a tad kinky. the dynamics would not change a great deal other than the Gorean Dynamic would be missing.

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RE: Free woman vs a slave - 10/1/2005 11:17:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Quivver

With all Due Respect IronBear, do you personally feel a women could be your slave yet a Free Woman?

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"In every Free Woman is a slave waiting to get out"

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RE: Free woman vs a slave - 10/2/2005 4:08:04 PM   
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RE: Free woman vs a slave - 10/3/2005 7:28:25 AM   
Lexii


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I'd like to comment on the slave becoming a Free Woman. Personally when I started in Gor it was as a slave because I was told that was what every woman is.... truly. It became increasingly obvious to myself and Free Men around me that I just wasn't meant for slavery and thus I became a Free Woman. Granted, all this took place online and drama and yadda yadda.... However, since crossing over from online into real life, I know deep in my heart that a Free Woman is what I was then and am now. Perhaps that is the case with some slaves who are "elevated" to Free Woman status. Perhaps it is a way for the Master to remove her from the duties of serving other men. I know many men do not share their slaves but having her as an FC will stop those men from even asking.

A female as a Free Woman or a slave really only changes how she relates to other slaves, not to men. This is a patriarchal society and regardless of status or clothing, Men have the final say.

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n - 10/3/2005 11:25:04 AM   
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< Message edited by Ralana -- 11/7/2005 8:37:36 PM >

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RE: Free woman vs a slave - 10/3/2005 11:42:53 AM   
Lexii


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Status: offline 		I agree with you wholeheartedly Ralana. I have a problem when posting to forums, I assume people already know what I'm thinking and tend to not write it. I don't like to be too chatty and as a result I don't say enough. I was referring more to the hierarchal part than the physical. Thank you for your clarification.

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RE: Free woman vs a slave - 10/3/2005 12:22:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok from an outsider`s persepctive here. i have been learing quite a bit aboute the Gorean lifestyle, i am submissive to my Dom but i am not a slave, and i am not Gorean, however when Goreans wonder how to treat me i normaløy would say i rank as a free woman, i am not a slave, so i am a free woman, in the Gorean lifestyle that would mean i rank lover than a man, but it do not mean that just any man can order me around, they have to respect me as a fellow free, that is am submissive in a D/s relationship outside of the Gorean lifestyle realy do not matter, i am not a Gorean slave, and i am a woman, ergo, i am a free woman.

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n - 10/3/2005 12:35:49 PM   
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n - 10/3/2005 12:37:56 PM   
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RE: Free woman vs a slave - 10/3/2005 1:19:04 PM   
Lexii


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Status: offline 		nephandi,

I think it would be better for you to state that you're not Gorean and that you're a D/s sub to your Master only. As stated earlier, Free Women do have to listen to the men. They "respect" us because we act in a manner befitting our station... not because we tell them to. And at times Free Women serve, albeit in a different fashion, they are wonderful hostesses.

If you want to call yourself a Free Woman, be prepared for the consequences because it's not a matter of you getting to decide what you do that makes one free, it's a matter of how you interact with the men around you. As Ralana stated earlier, we "try to remain pleasing in my behaviors and speech when interacting men."

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RE: Free woman vs a slave - 10/3/2005 2:45:43 PM   
nephandi


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Status: offline 		i state that i am not Gorean as as i said, i say they can treat me as a free woman when i meet Goreans that seam at a loss as to were to place me, i never claim to be Gorean but i do provide a way for them to translate my behavior and my standing in sosiety to their own culture.

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RE: Free woman vs a slave - 10/3/2005 3:30:06 PM   
Lexii


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Status: offline 		My misunderstanding. I took it to mean that when you tell them to treat you as a Free Woman that you will accept what happens when you ARE treated as a Free Woman.

I will clarify.... state to treat you as nephandi and to just leave you alone :)

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RE: Free woman vs a slave - 10/3/2005 6:16:24 PM   
nephandi


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Status: offline 		Hedhehe, well not bad advice that.

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