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RE: Human Error - 10/6/2005 2:16:47 AM

aurea

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Thank you all for the responces thus far. This thead has sparked more than one conversation in the house. I think the confusion in my own mind came from simply the word perfection, as was pointed out perfection is different for each Master, for some it is in the act of attempting, for others someting different. I also was mistaking perfection in obedience to perfection in every action taken. I now have that straight in my head, that while indeed perfection is to be strived for, it is not an expectation, only that I obey..that is my only true expectation. Again, thank you all for the posts and insights.

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RE: Human Error - 10/6/2005 6:08:02 AM

MasterAzrael

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Well here is my thought on your questions. I have been a Gorean Master as well as just a Dom for some time. I have played Gor online in various places for over 7 yrs. I feel that in order for a slave to truely reach the highest she can she has to feel the the desire to serve deep down and to be as pleasing to her master no matter what. Nothing else should matter but your masters needs and what he wants. ow each master is different. I expect a certain level from a girl but there comes to a point where one must be realistic. A girl can only do just so much to be pleasing. Not only that it is a Master that must help her each that level and guide her. Its a two way stret. without Kijara Gor wouldnt have flourished. Kijara are the backbone of Gorean life. One compliments the other.

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RE: Human Error - 10/6/2005 9:40:23 AM

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quote:

Well here is my thought on your questions. I have been a Gorean Master as well as just a Dom for some time. I have played Gor online in various places for over 7 yrs. I feel that in order for a slave to truely reach the highest she can she has to feel the the desire to serve deep down and to be as pleasing to her master no matter what. Nothing else should matter but your masters needs and what he wants. ow each master is different. I expect a certain level from a girl but there comes to a point where one must be realistic. A girl can only do just so much to be pleasing. Not only that it is a Master that must help her each that level and guide her. Its a two way stret. without Kijara Gor wouldnt have flourished. Kijara are the backbone of Gorean life. One compliments the other.

Well first off this must be what people learn when they play online Gor. I guess for those of us who don't play online Gor and live the life the way it is everyday, we all know that its the Men of Gor who are Gor and their phylosophies that real life Goreans live by. The Gorean Lifestyle is anything but a 2 way street, it's all about the Men just deal with it.

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RE: Human Error - 10/6/2005 10:03:31 AM

nephandi

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Well i agree and disagree, while Gorean lifestyle is aboute the men, Gorean slave keeping is as mutch aboute the slaves, to say that they are not inportant is to say that horse keeping is not aboute orses, ofcourse it is aboute horses, but this is only the part of the lifestyle that is aboute keeping slaves, and that is only a smal part.

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RE: Human Error - 10/6/2005 12:56:13 PM

edana

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quote:

Kijara are the backbone of Gorean life. One compliments the other.

Greetings,

This sentence is interesting. In my thinking, i'd have to also agree and disagree. Though i am going to completely disagree with the first half and agree with the second.

The times in a gorean's life, when he might not own a slave makes him no less gorean.

Behaving and not being ashamed of being who you are (male or female) is the Backbone of Gorean, along with the taking to heart the fundamentals of friendship, family, obligation, responsibility, generosity, compassion, and honesty

The second half of that sentence, i feel is very true. My desires and needs are very complimentary to my Masters.

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RE: Human Error - 10/7/2005 7:23:14 PM

JustaTop

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In my understanding,the kajira is seen as a tool of the Master. Initially,it is his responsibility to temper and refine that tool to his specific desires. And any tool is only as good as the materials from which it is made-and the refinement and care the wielder puts into it.

People often mistake the differences between discipline and punishment. Both are mental reenforcment excercises. They inculcate behavior patterns,nothing more. The Master infiltrates the slave with a portion of his essence,and the slave responds to this.

Discipline is part of the teaching and self control of a slave. These are her inner governors-the limits being set by her owner. They teach her self control. PUNISHMENT is used when that discipline breaks down,or needs redirection. But it can have a traumatic effect,and should be used sparingly-or it often disrupts the girl's focus,rather than aiding it.

Tearing down the efficiency with which she serves,and thereby becoming counterproductive in nature. One example of this is the Master who has poor impulse control,and constantly barks at a girl who makes trivial mistakes. Rather than taking her aside quietly,and correcting her with pertinent instruction that overcomes them.

Because keeping a tight focus on tasks at hand is a KEY element of ALL service. And ANYTHING that disrupts that ability is to be avoided.

In time,she knows his habits and desires well enough for them to be automatic to her-unless he decides to make changes. This is the goal of competent slaves-to reach the state of compliance that everything is programmed in such a manner that every detail of her service can be done automatically.

Which results in greater efficiency,and makes the Master's life easier-freeing his time up for pursuits that better suit and profit him in his life. In a Gorean sense,there really IS no other reason to keep a slave-as it was in times gone by.

This is the goal to strive for-rather than perfection. You do EVERYTHING within your granted power to make his life better and more productive..

Could it possibly be much simpler to understand?

But not neccesarily to DO.