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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 4:34:51 PM

FrankAr

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: ZebRarius

By and large, though, women incompatible with the Gorean way of life would mostly just disappear after a few thousand years.

We are not so lucky here.

See, that's actually a rather offensive thing to say - maybe you know this, maybe you said it on purpose. Maybe you don't realise it is insulting, but either way, I doesn't make you look manly or attractive. I'm sure you didn't mean it to sound quite like that.

Greetings kittin,

I can't speak for Zeb, but his words were straight forward in my eyes, it was a simple thought. In your mind to be a Gorean you might have to evolve in a sense that if you do not fit in, then you will wither away and die among the populace of Gor. With this, there are only a few stages that a female can be on Gor, she is a FW or a FC or a slave, or just a panther girl. She will not be a switch among the majority of the populace upon Gor, for the panther girls are in the jungle and hardly venture out. She might be the first girl of the household and direct the other slaves to the direction shown through their Owner, but still she is a slave.

If you try and think of the thought that if as a female you might break the glass ceiling on Gor, boy you are mistaken. There are certain boundaries upon Gor that is just left for the males, simple, and this is adhered to throughout the books.

I don't know you, I do not know if you have read the books, I do not know if your life does consist of maintaining a high level of a D/s dynamic or a M/s dynamic, but I personally just new the words to be simple from Zeb.

Be well.

Frank Ar.

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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 4:40:11 PM

Musicmystery

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Well, I think all too often, and far more than they'd ever admit, many women are slaves to their own insecurities and fanciful perceptions

Typically these are blamed on society, the media, or male hegemony, but truthfully, most men don't even notice these supposedly offending influences.

[Was going to go on, but I think I''ll just leave it there]

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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 5:30:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Well, I think all too often, and far more than they'd ever admit, many women are slaves to their own insecurities and fanciful perceptions

Typically these are blamed on society, the media, or male hegemony, but truthfully, most men don't even notice these supposedly offending influences.

[Was going to go on, but I think I''ll just leave it there]

Greetings Master,

I agree with you, especially the observance that women may be loathe to admit these shortcomings. I think that women in our society are much more likely to change their mode of behavior based on trends and societal pressures than men. However, I do not think that men are immune to this phenomena.

One of the things that drew me into the books when I began reading them was how Norman pointed out how differing societies have opposing norms. I liked the fact that he didn't necessarily make judgment calls as to which was better, merely pointed out the differences. One such example would be the practice of ear piercing versus that of nose piercing.

Personal insecurities are difficult to overcome and when someone craves direction, one fairly common characteristic of submissive types, it is often left to the one doing the Mastering to guide the s-type through this transformation process. Though a girl may profess to have great self confidence and pride in her accomplishments, there are often underlying insecurities and fears which guide her decisions and behaviors, whether she is aware of their influence or not. It requires a stripping in a sense of the walls in her unconscious mind to reveal these and confront them.

well wishes ~ fairer than she

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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 5:32:11 PM

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It's not just men...I'm a woman who fully believes that any heterosexual woman can and will turn submissive when with certain men. I can't speak for women who have no interest in men of course, but I think every girl who likes guys can remember a guy who she worried herself sick over wondering if he would call...or who she succumbed to his charms and had sex or almost-sex on the first date only to wonder a month later why he still hasn't called yet.

It might not be the guy she ends up spending the rest of her life with, in fact it likely won't be, but any woman who's had an average amount of dating experience with men has felt that moment when all her womanly charms amounted to nil and she just wanted him to *like* her...it might not be as overt as putting on silks and dancing like a harem girl but it's submission nonetheless.

Personally I think it's biological. Men penetrate, women are penetrated. That must be fulfilled for the continuation of the species. Why not enjoy it while you're at it

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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 5:37:09 PM

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How do you account for the fact that globally, men rule the world, still, after thousands and thousands of years of your female dying and whatnot?

I mean there may exist disconnects on many levels and by all sides here.

Rosie may have riveted (and women have died in battle) but she didn't get too heavy into the main events, by and large.

Oh, btw, I own. So----that puts the lie to the rejected misogynist....I actually like women, as you do.

In fact, were you het, or could deal with het sex, you could start giving it away with both hands, this very evening, and should I have my gravestone carved tomorrow, it would read, "she didn't come close".

So, you are not the only one offended, I think.

Ron, a man.

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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 5:42:22 PM

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Give us time, Ron, give us time... in three generations, the world will be pussy-whipped. As it was always meant to be

. And it will remain thus.

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Give the kid the pick of pips,
And give him all your stripes and ribbons.
Now he's sitting in his hole,
He might as well have buttons and bows.

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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 5:47:44 PM

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Three generations? 120-160 years? Not ganna happen!

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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 5:49:37 PM

BoiJen

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Hilary might disagree, Ron. And soon...we'll see now won't we?

I don't believe all men own women hate women. I believe theose men worked very very hard and almost broke their backs to win them over. And that these women kindly let them think they're in charge. And that it's been that way for centuries.

"A good wife is not the head of household...she's the neck that turns the head."

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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 5:52:49 PM

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I have no doubt, soli; that women have yet to attain their greates height.

Again, we talk about a standard bell curve, do you remember that interchange here some time ago? (recall also that it contained a reference to lesbians, which I now think you should understand what I was saying............)

Some fairly large segment of the female population revels in the old ways, the old roles, the traditions...

Now, remember that men had the right to vote, and gave it freely to women, and men gave freely to the cause of womens liberation, in the main of the bell curve.

And like Ninon L'Enclos:

I tell you on behalf of women: there is not one of us who does not prefer a little rough handling to too much consideration. Men lose through blundering more hearts than virtue saves.
The more timidity a lover shows with us, the more it concerns our pride to goad him on; the more respect he has for our resistance, the more respect we demand of him. We would willingly say to you men, “Ah, in pity’s name do not suppose us to be so very virtuous; you are forcing us to have too much of it. Do not put so high a price upon your conquest; do not treat our defeat as if it were something difficult. Accustom our imagination by degrees to seeing you doubt our indifference.”

So an independant, fuck all the misogynic men sort of life, is not for everyone, but then it don't try to be. Neither is the other side of that question.

I play in the sandbox where the largest part of the bell curve actually resides.

Hup (I'm peaking!!!) the Fool

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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 6:08:29 PM

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By God I think she's got it............................

Have Six pat you on the head once for me.

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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 6:10:55 PM

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-Retracts one used tire and a pale of chocolate pudding from the offer.-

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Give us time, Ron, give us time... in three generations, the world will be pussy-whipped. As it was always meant to be . And it will remain thus.

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Live well,

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"A Republic, If You Can Keep It."

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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 6:13:47 PM

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If all women are slaves then all men are masters. We know thats NOT true! Some women are slaves, some men are Masters. Some are slaves with some men and not with others. Some will never be slaves to anyone.

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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 6:17:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: xoxi

Personally I think it's biological. Men penetrate, women are penetrated. That must be fulfilled for the continuation of the species. Why not enjoy it while you're at it

"Penetration" is commonly accepted, but it can also be viewed as "surrounding" or "gripping" or "trapping", or "encasing", "imprisonning" - I'll try not to get carried away- see, it's all a question of perspective.

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Give the kid the pick of pips,
And give him all your stripes and ribbons.
Now he's sitting in his hole,
He might as well have buttons and bows.

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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 6:18:39 PM

mnottertail

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I have stated repeatedly, these two little jingles:

A woman, by simple obesience doth ruleth her husband. (catholic advice to young women, written in the early 1300s)

and

The notion of women's submission is wholly fantasy;
they're just dominating from the long way 'round.

Interestingly there was last sunday on PBS a documentary on what do females want (in terms of animals (which I hold that we are)) in terms of mating and sexuality. Interesting

This sunday at 7pm will be the other side, entitled; what males will do.

You can have it then, that women are ultimately in charge, but it still comes to what they want and what men will do........and I do as I please in these matters, and as I said, I play in a very big fucking sandbox, so those playing along the edges are of no concern, the sandbox is big enough for us all. My philosophy, which is directly contravening yours, has worked out quite well for me, for my life, and by god, that is what I intend to do.

It also is a little disingenuous btw, Jen to point to Hapshepsut, Cleopatra Indira Ghandi, (all who were placed there by their fathers), Margaret Thatcher, Hillary Clinton (who would just be another every day bitch in some really fuckin lame pantsuits, had her husband not went on before her, and she ain't won a goddamn thing yet....so let's hold that one out of the fray for the moment) and say, SEE?

This is proof..........hell, even I will wake up without a hangover time to time after a night of heavy drinking, but it is far fetched to call that commonplace, or the way things actually are.

You may say that they walked on the backs of men with stilleto heels to take what they wanted.............this is why men are going to judge that squintingly with arms akimbo. And just say no. Some of us, at any rate.

Cordially but vehemently out of agreement with your weltanshunng,

Hup

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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 6:20:37 PM

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http://www.teethmovie.com/

grins

like this?

-Soshi
who just got a nice head pat

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'pon the rocks and storm rift sea
And littered wood of broken days
disregard for toil shown
no ground broken, no seed sewn.

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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 6:21:51 PM

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America is a copy cat nation. Britian had there experiment with the female in charge thing. I'm not sure the candidate is right as of yet, but we most likely will someday.

Billary most likely shouldn't be your choice though. Hell she has already proven to be a more avid avoider and or stretcher of the truth than our present man of denial. It also seems her way of governing is to follow the flow of the polls, we don't even need a human to execute that task.

If that's your Champion, I'm not sure your chances are all to favorable.

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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 6:57:52 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

-Retracts one used tire and a pale of chocolate pudding from the offer.-

quote:

ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Give us time, Ron, give us time... in three generations, the world will be pussy-whipped. As it was always meant to be . And it will remain thus.

Greetings Bull,

As long as you're no longer using the pudding as a slave price, can i have it? I love pudding.

well wishes,

Phoenix

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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 7:04:36 PM

xBullx

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Nothings free..............

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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 7:11:41 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

Nothings free..............

Greetings Bull,

Of course not. What do you want in exchange for the pudding?

well wishes,

Phoenix

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"He who ties a woman owns her"
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RE: All women are slaves - 4/12/2008 7:40:06 PM

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Greetings Zeb, Why allow pettiness to lose us a good conversationalist and one who knows of which he speaks...a rare commodity in these parts, these days.save for our usual participant men and women.

Oh, don't worry, Maahsatti, I'm hardly running off with my tail between my legs. I'm just not going to bother acknowledging the non-Goreans who insist on coming here and trying to bait us. There are several here who earn my respectful attention, and several on whom I refuse to waste a single synapse.

quote:

See, that's actually a rather offensive thing to say - maybe you know this, maybe you said it on purpose. Maybe you don't realise it is insulting, but either way, I doesn't make you look manly or attractive. I'm sure you didn't mean it to sound quite like that.

I know exactly what I said and why, kittinSol. I don't care one bit who finds me manly or attractive. I meant it to sound exactly like it sounds. I don't run this forum, so I cannot control who comes here and who does not. What I can do - as long as I refrain from ad hominem insults - is express how I feel about non-Goreans pouring in here spoiling for a fight simply because one of us dares to discuss how Goreans feel or think. Did you mention to anyone else who has posted here that their comments were offensive? I've counted five or seven pretty offensive responses so far. I won't gainsay them their right to post here. Quite the contrary, I support it. At the same time, I will exercise my right both to express my own feelings, as well as choosing those with whom I wish to engage in discussion and those to whom I will not deign to respond.

IWYW,
Z

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