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Gorean slaves and Maslow's Hierarchy

Food and water (you have enough nutrients to sustain your life)

7% (1)

Safety and security (you are safe in your home)

7% (1)

Love: a sense of belonging

7% (1)

Self esteem: recognition

7% (1)

Self actualization (you explore your self and what you want)

61% (8)

Not even the most basic needs were met

7% (1)

Total Votes : 13

(last vote on : 4/16/2008 3:47:50 PM)
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Gorean slaves and Maslow's Hierarchy - 4/13/2008 10:52:15 AM

ygraine

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Hi Folks, thanks for reading the poll.
I have been thinking for awhile about why people embrace consensual slavery.
One of the things I have wondered about is how people grow and develop to have that mindset.
Anyway, I was reading about Abraham Maslow's hierarchy of needs. In a nutshell he said unless basic needs are met, like food and water, a human cannot move to next level of needs, which is security, then the next level, which is love, and so on.
So what I am asking is....for those of you who embrace slavery or those of you who own a slave and know this about your slave, what is the highest level of needs that were met for you as a young person while you were still with your family? Please just chose one.
(By the way, the needs list starts at the bottom of the hierarchy and moves up, so pick the highest number. For example, if as a child you got plenty of food and water and were safe, but did not get love, pick #2. If you got love but not self esteem, pick #3, and so on.)
If you want more information about Maslow's hierarchy of needs, here is a good link: http://talkingtails.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/800px-maslows_hierarchy_of_needssvg.png?w=399&h=266

Caveat and warning here: This is not big science. I am not a psychologist nor am I trying to prove anything or make sweeping statements about submission or slavery. You do not have to participate in the poll. You are welcome to share your stories here but by no means are you required to do so. I would ask that the answers be kept to situations that involve Gorean slaves. Thank you.
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RE: Gorean slaves and Maslow's Hierarchy - 4/13/2008 11:03:18 AM

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I'm not a Gorean, so even if I could choose one of those responses, I would not out of respect for the validity of your poll but I did want to point out that if I were Gorean, I still could not choose because as a child, we always had plenty of water, but there were many times we went without food. It's up to you whether or not you want to add the category that basic needs were not met, though.

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RE: Gorean slaves and Maslow's Hierarchy - 4/13/2008 11:12:09 AM

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Excellent point thanks!
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RE: Gorean slaves and Maslow's Hierarchy - 4/13/2008 11:49:35 AM

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Not voting, obviously, but will be reading!

I would recommend an edit to read "food OR drink" as well as a clearer explanation with concrete examples of all the other needs.

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RE: Gorean slaves and Maslow's Hierarchy - 4/13/2008 11:55:42 AM

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Hi Naja, somehow I thought you would be reading this, heh heh.
I thought about your suggestion about seperating things, but then it removes the categories from his hierarchy and I wanted to keep it more linked. I also understand the need for explanation and will be more than happy to do so with anyone off the board. You can also look it up.
Thanks!
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RE: Gorean slaves and Maslow's Hierarchy - 4/13/2008 12:23:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: ygraine I also understand the need for explanation and will be more than happy to do so with anyone off the board. You can also look it up.

Yeah, but people won't. They'll either click stuff with the wrong idea of what it means, thus hosing your results, or they won't bother taking the poll. If you actually want answers from a population, it's best to make the poll as straightforward and easy to understand as possible.

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RE: Gorean slaves and Maslow's Hierarchy - 4/13/2008 12:34:35 PM

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Hi ygraine,

I won't answer the poll because I'm not gorean but I know why I embrace it. I find having responsibility stressful and it makes me anxious and often caused me to worry, I don't like feeling that way. I like feeling peaceful, carefree, serene. Being owned allows me to not have responsbility for things that cause me anxiety and worry...It makes me feel peaceful..I have few worries, all I have to do is obey...some people find the idea of obeying offensive. To me, it is relatively easy to swallow because I get something priceless to me in return..a great life without the stress.

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RE: Gorean slaves and Maslow's Hierarchy - 4/13/2008 2:21:54 PM

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Greetings Mistress Ygraine,

growing up I had a Dad, Mom and older brothers and sisters. Does it matter who in the family met the need , or just as long as someone in the family met the need? There was a world of difference in how different members of the family treated me.

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RE: Gorean slaves and Maslow's Hierarchy - 4/13/2008 2:32:12 PM

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Greetings Mistress Ygraine,
This girl is somewhat familiar with Maslow's work, having toyed with the idea of a social work major while in college. Somehow, it never seemed important to apply it to her experiences though. She thanks you for reminding her that this is not simply something to apply to others.

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RE: Gorean slaves and Maslow's Hierarchy - 4/13/2008 2:38:28 PM

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Hi kisshou,
I believe as long as you got those things, it doesn't matter where you got them from.
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RE: Gorean slaves and Maslow's Hierarchy - 4/13/2008 3:41:30 PM

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Greetings Mistress,

I had to groan when I read this because I just finished 7 long weeks of training on all things psychological so that I can be qualified to perform my new job duties. I came home on Friday from NYC and breathed a sigh of relief that I no longer had to anticipate long weeks away from home in dirty hotel rooms.

This kind of made me go hmmmmmmm. While I now consider myself a much more well rounded individual and pretty healthy in all ways, I can't say that I always was. Just a little over 6 years ago I'd say I was pretty incomplete. I always hated being characterized by the things that happened to me. I abhor "blaming" situations in my life or things that existed for making me the person I became. Sadly, however, all these things need to be taken into consideration. Ultimately we have to "man up" and own stuff and realize that we and we alone are responsible for changing the situations that formed who we ultimately become.

So am I going to answer the poll and your reasons behind it? It is hard but this is one of those things that I ultimately have to own and move on from, because if I don't I will forever be cemented to the beliefs of what was, instead of what can always be. So I pick #2. It saddens me to have to pick that, to realize that even though on the face of it all I appeared to have so much, in the end I have to realize I did not.

If you were asking about now, which I know you aren't, I'd be at the top of the pyramid. I think I just had to say that to feel better. Sorry.

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RE: Gorean slaves and Maslow's Hierarchy - 4/13/2008 4:55:55 PM

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Greetings,

i have submitted my vote, based on the majority of my childhood.

i spent the first six years with my mother only... and was happy, well cared for and loved. Then i spent the next seven with my father and suffered every form of abuse and neglect possible. At age 13 i was allowed to return to my mother.

During those years with my father, we often did not have enough to eat. We moved at least once a year as his addictions kept him from keeping a job. At those points i would say that the lowest marker (basic needs not met) would be the most consistant. Even during times when there was money enough, though, i never felt loved or wanted and my self-esteem suffered greatly.

i do not feel, however, that these conditions made me inclined toward slavery. my experienced had the opposite effect, teaching me that men cannot be trusted (a feeling my soon to be ex-husband did nothing to help) and that i had to be independent and self-sufficient. i learned that you cannot depend on a man to do things for you, you have to do them yourself! i was not going to be any one's slave!

Enter Master Rick into the picture *chuckle*. Suffice to say that i somehow knew the moment i laid eyes on Him that He could be trusted and that has allowed me to be His. i can be me and know that it will not lead to harm.

i don't know if this helps your study or whatever, or not. *shrug*

A peaceful evening to you all,

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RE: Gorean slaves and Maslow's Hierarchy - 4/13/2008 5:38:02 PM

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Greetings, Mistress. (using fast reply) As requested, I won't answer the poll as I am not a Gorean's slave, however, I would offer a snippet of my experience with my family. I was raised by two devoted, loving parents who have now been married for 51 years. I had an absolutely amazing family life - 3 sisters and one brother (I'm the youngest) who all loved each other very much and we still do. I was raised to work hard, be independent, succeed in school, do the best I can, and also to understand responsibility and accountability. My mom and dad encouraged all of their children to be educated and to make educated choices and when poor choices were made, we were not coddled - on the contrary, we were made to accept the consequences (i.e. you made your bed, you lie in it). My parents did not spoil their children. They started off with very little but worked very hard early on to build both a financially and emotionally stable life for their children. They had more than enough to provide us with everything we needed and often things we wanted (Birthdays and Christmas are fond memories.) I often look back and am just amazed by the amount of compassion, love, and togetherness that I grew up with in my life. Sometimes I feel like the exception to the norm. I believe that I have embraced enslavement simply because of the man that my owner is. I was a dominant, independent woman when he met me and while I admit that I did have that feeling deep inside of wanting to explore such a life, it was he who made it happen and who made me crave it with all that I am. Well wishes, Cav's ally

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