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RE: BDSM Vs. Gor - 10/10/2005 6:48:59 AM

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Looking this over, I can sum this up as follows:

This cannot be given too much honest thought because it is disturbing to allow such a comparrison as 'the differentiation of BDSM and Gorean means' as it tends towards an entirely subjective determination based on a politicized and unproven theory of 'gender superiority' (that is based in personal prejudice vice an actuality for many).

Looking that over, I can sum up as follows:

You didn't really come for an answer, you came spoiling for a fight, as you usually do. I'd be interested in hearing if anyone (other than you) thought that my original answer to you was anything other than reasoned and informative, and yet, this is your answer.

So, what do you want? I think you want just about the same thing that someone wants who would post to a feminist forum about the "entirely subjective determination based on a politicized and unproven theory of "gender equality". In other words, it's flame-bait. Come on, man, I know that you think we're all stupid in here, but I assure you, we aren't that stupid.

All I can tell you is, enjoy it while it lasts. You'll be able to "cry wolf" in here a few more times before even those who normally feel compelled to take the bait just start laughing you off.

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RE: BDSM Vs. Gor - 10/10/2005 6:51:46 AM

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So, Justatop -

You were negatively affected by peer pressure applied by submissives outside of your BDSM relationship? And, have 'chucked' the entire thing because of this. And, consider all BDSM to be 'role play' because of this situational event.

But, would not have the same issue if you were in a Gorean relationship.

Gotcha.

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RE: BDSM Vs. Gor - 10/10/2005 6:55:49 AM

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You seem to be putting words into my mouth, (in your usual manner)

But if you really research the culture and resources that "submisives" are being programmed with by the "politically correct" influences online and off,it supports what I am saying. And I NEVER said I had "chucked it all".

ONLY that I am NOT going to invest into it what I would in a SERIOUS TPE relationship-were I still desiring to practice that. I think Leonidas may be correct-I already refuse to take you seriously EITHER-pot stirrer.

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RE: BDSM Vs. Gor - 10/10/2005 7:01:03 AM

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Actually -

No.

I came looking for an answer as the ones delivered previously were fragmented by infighting and not really cogent.

I thought there must have been something I was 'missing' in all the angst.

I thought that if I were to bring this forth (at a later time as a stand alone question), I might receive something akin to an intelligent and solid answer.

I thought that perhaps there was something that was not a prejudice that would allow me to understand why some people who consider themself to be "Gorean" pose an egalitarian "we are better than they" stance towards their personal preferences.

I will admit when I make a mistake. This was one.

If this is not to your liking... I have no idea what to say.

My apologies for asking a question and making you feel 'put upon' and defensive.

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RE: BDSM Vs. Gor - 10/10/2005 7:08:02 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JustaTop

You seem to be putting words into my mouth, (in your usual manner)

Please point out where I misquoted or misrepresented what you have written.

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But if you really research the culture and resources that "submisives" are being programmed with by the "politically correct" influences online and off,it supports what I am saying. And I NEVER said I had "chucked it all".

You stated:

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But I am not going to knock myself out for some sham of a sex game, masquerading as a "lifestyle". Because it's not-it's nothing more than a female controlled sex game. <snip> I refuse to make any serious investment into this sort of a dynamic,knowing on what it is based. And the extreme likelyhood that it won't last very long,with such a shakey foundation.

I am not sure how else to take this, except to state that as far as a BDSM relationship goes, you "chucked it all"

And, there is no need to be insulting... I am asking questions, you are answering.

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RE: BDSM Vs. Gor - 10/10/2005 7:19:11 AM

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My apologies for asking a question and making you feel 'put upon' and defensive.

I'm not going to dignify most of this with a response, because it's more of the same. I'll comment on this though. I gave you an answer to your question that I don't think anyone (other than you, perhaps) could characterize as defensive or derisive. Your response, though, was both.

If you don't think that my answer was "intelligent and solid", frankly, that's not my problem. In other words, tell someone who cares. You see, in order for me to be defensive, I'd have to care what you think of me. I don't know what I've said that gives you that impression, but please allow me to disabuse you of it here and now. As for put upon, I only feel put upon to the extent that you are obviously wasting my time. I always feel put upon when people do that.

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RE: BDSM Vs. Gor - 10/10/2005 7:20:43 AM

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First of all,you came in and offered nothing but an overt put-down. At least,that's how I took it. It came across as condescending.

Secondly-the politically correct "subs have all the power" programing is quite pervasive. Ever hear about a little thing called "peer pressure"? And yes,it is a pervasive "outside influence". One I would prefer NOT to have to deal with.

What got to me after a period of time,is that many submissives expect a top to take a disproportionate amount of time and responsibility,merely in return for kinky sex. Very few are actually willing to be of any use BEYOND that. Many,to the point of hard limiting any actual WORK. So exactly what ARE they submitting to?

I have only one word for that,"kink".

Now if a woman were willing to offer me MORE than that,and actually did as she was ASKED,I'd be willing to take more responsibility. As it is,I can only see most so called "bdsm" as no more than a sex game set up to favor females. Because,that's how they want it.

So what I was trying to say-is if someone is not taking a "control dynamic" seriously-why should I?

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RE: BDSM Vs. Gor - 10/10/2005 3:28:47 PM

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