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RE: Why is legalized slavery seen as a bad thing? - 4/23/2008 9:58:31 AM

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Come on folks let's keep this simple and stop over analyzing things again. Slavery isn't bad, it is only a thing and all on its own has no ability to be anything but a term. But on the other hand people have the potential to do bad with it. Like oh so many things in our civilization we have allowed the powers that be to regulate and protect us from ourselves. The ambition and desire to become something great seems to elude us on a daily basis.

In the absence of manly virtue and maturity, the child must be harnessed and controlled.

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RE: Why is legalized slavery seen as a bad thing? - 4/23/2008 11:14:07 AM

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Howdy Faramir,

How the hell you been? Haven't seen you in a long while. You musta had some little paga hot wench keepin' you occupied, aye? I hope all is well down yonder in the Tar Heel.

Hello Bull!

I'm very well thank you--I married my slave this year, and while she's not pagan (is that what you meant?) she is defintely very hot and keeps me occupied...but not as much as teaching and rhetoric research do. I'm no longer in NC though--Pittsburgh, PA is now my home.

I hope you are well, sir, and thriving.

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RE: Why is legalized slavery seen as a bad thing? - 4/23/2008 1:16:23 PM

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Come on folks let's keep this simple and stop over analyzing things again. Slavery isn't bad, it is only a thing and all on its own has no ability to be anything but a term. But on the other hand people have the potential to do bad with it. Like oh so many things in our civilization we have allowed the powers that be to regulate and protect us from ourselves. The ambition and desire to become something great seems to elude us on a daily basis.

In the absence of manly virtue and maturity, the child must be harnessed and controlled.

Or womanly virtue and maturity, for that matter.......and yes, so true.

Whether slavery be heaven or hell isn't a question of whether or not it is legal, or illegal, consensual non-consensuality or strictly non-consensuality. Fundamentaly it boils down to the naturs of the individual parties, their character, integrity, and attitude.

Heaven or hell, in this case, can come down to something so basic as who is paried with whom.

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RE: Why is legalized slavery seen as a bad thing? - 4/23/2008 2:01:23 PM

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Hello Faramir,

Paga is a drink from the books that can be served hot and in the discription "paga hot" for a slave it is a great thing. The hot wench is best suited for serving her master in absolute pleasure and obedience.

Best of luck in your new location and congratulations and best wishes the your woman.

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RE: Why is legalized slavery seen as a bad thing? - 4/23/2008 4:20:48 PM

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Greetings Grace,

If slavery were legal, would you theorize more males or more females would own property? To identify a mean standard, would you say slave ownership requires more male influence or more female influence?

I believe more maturity in general is needed for wonership, but regardless of which gender the maturity lies in, which one would you say in general has the traits best suited to lead, be head of the household, and defend the homestead? This is a fundamental difference I see, in some of your comments and how I and others see things. Many state things in general, and have no need to put a disclaimer to include everything else.

Greetings Bull,

You are of course right my friend, slavery is just a thing, like any other thing and that thing is not good or evil. It is when we as people become involved or use that thing, that the hearts of those people involved will turn it to one side or the other. I believe a well regulated system of slavery, where an individual gives their rights to freedom up, for a period of time, or until a certain condition were met, could be a good thing, as a dream or theory. Just like many other things though, until people are held accountable for their actions, whether it be in a government or corporation, everything that is touched will soon rot.

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Or womanly virtue and maturity, for that matter.......and yes, so true.

Whether slavery be heaven or hell isn't a question of whether or not it is legal, or illegal, consensual non-consensuality or strictly non-consensuality. Fundamentaly it boils down to the naturs of the individual parties, their character, integrity, and attitude.

Heaven or hell, in this case, can come down to something so basic as who is paried with whom.

Regards-
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RE: Why is legalized slavery seen as a bad thing? - 4/23/2008 5:42:44 PM

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Greetings Grace,

If slavery were legal, would you theorize more males or more females would own property? To identify a mean standard, would you say slave ownership requires more male influence or more female influence?

I believe more maturity in general is needed for wonership, but regardless of which gender the maturity lies in, which one would you say in general has the traits best suited to lead, be head of the household, and defend the homestead? This is a fundamental difference I see, in some of your comments and how I and others see things. Many state things in general, and have no need to put a disclaimer to include everything else.

Good evening, Orion -

IMO, there would be a higher percentage of men than women who were both possessed of the necessary qualities to be a good owner, and the desire to be an owner in the first place. There is likely to be a greater disparity between the number of men and women who would desire to own, than there would be between those of the two sexes capable. Both differences are still almost certainly statistically signifigant, though I'd be shocked if there wasn't a great deal of variation in numbers and percentages, across time, and across cultures. Chances are there are more women in both catagories than you'd like to think, and fewer in both than I would.

I do not see male charictaristics, without the influence of female charictaristics, as being sufficient, in and of them selves, to be conducive to productive, healthy, optimal slave keeping. A strictly "Amazon" approach isn't likely to be any better. Both sets of traits are necessary for balance and harmony in life. In some areas, the traits we consider "masculine" are the more obviously necessisary, with the opposite is true in others. In most of the day to day of life, the abscense of either leads to dysfunction.

Just my opinion, of course, based on reading, living, and observing. I'm sure some disagree, and I'm equally certain I'm not the only one to posess these particular views. Not that either the agreement or disagreement of others make me any more, or less, correct.

Certainly, these are general statements. They do not discount either the predominant or the exception.

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RE: Why is legalized slavery seen as a bad thing? - 4/23/2008 5:54:23 PM

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Greetings Grace,

I do not disagree with you, especially with my exposure to Taoism, and Carl Jung. In each thing there is a mascualine and feminine quality, and in each thing a mascualine and feminine quality is needed to maintain equilibrium. As far as the percentages go, a further study would be needed to determine if those that owned, or were dominant, were such because of external or internal factors. If there are more females, it is not a matter of whether I like it or not, it would just be. So your judgement on whether I would dislike it, is inaccurate. I do not like or dislike when it rains, it just is.

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RE: Why is legalized slavery seen as a bad thing? - 4/23/2008 6:04:44 PM

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Greetings Grace,

I do not disagree with you, especially with my exposure to Taoism, and Carl Jung. In each thing there is a mascualine and feminine quality, and in each thing a mascualine and feminine quality is needed to maintain equilibrium. As far as the percentages go, a further study would be needed to determine if those that owned, or were dominant, were such because of external or internal factors.

Quite so. It would certainly be interesting reading, no matter how it turned out. Especially with regard to external vs internal factors. Speaking of those factors, I find the same question of interest as it pretains to Free Women.

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If there are more females, it is not a matter of whether I like it or not, it would just be. So your judgement on whether I would dislike it, is inaccurate. I do not like or dislike when it rains, it just is.

I thought you might feel that way, and it is heartening to hear it is so. I'm not always nearly so judgemental as I might sound...but don't tell anyone. I have a rep to maintain. It can just be our little secret.

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RE: Why is legalized slavery seen as a bad thing? - 4/24/2008 2:26:18 PM

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Master Orion,

This slave does not have HBO but saw, on this board, something about the HBO series, "Rome" and watched it. In that series, which is likely fairly faithful to the period, the ownership of slaves was not particularly masculine or feminine. Yes, indeed, the legal system was almost entirely oriented toward Free Men, but in practice, it seemed that many Free Women had slaves, as well as Free Men.

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If slavery were legal, would you theorize more males or more females would own property? To identify a mean standard, would you say slave ownership requires more male influence or more female influence?

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RE: Why is legalized slavery seen as a bad thing? - 4/24/2008 2:34:31 PM

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RE: Why is legalized slavery seen as a bad thing? - 4/24/2008 4:22:00 PM

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If slavery were legal, would you theorize more males or more females would own property? To identify a mean standard, would you say slave ownership requires more male influence or more female influence?

Tal Orion,

If I may, this caught my eye. I would think it likely to be about equal, because there seems to me no gender winner when it comes to aquisitiveness. Whether they would choose to own a male slave or a female slave might prove a different question. But as far as simply owning slaves goes, what woman doesn't love automated household appliances?

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