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Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/11/2005 9:16:16 AM

caitlyn

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People can consider themselves Gorean, and be interested in BDSM.

People can consider themselves Gorean and not be interested in BDSM.

People that engage in BDSM can be interested in Gor.

People that engage in BDSM can be disinterested in Gor.

People that engage in BDSM may think Gor(e) was once the Vice President, and know nothing of it other than that.

People may like the BD part, without the SM.

People may like the SM part, without the BD.

People may be interested in individual letters within BDSM in any combination, including or excluding them as they see fit. Example: I'm probably a BSM ... because if you try to discipline me, I'm likely to tell you to get a fucking dog to order around.

People (especially girly-girls) may complicate the above by changing their interest level in the various letters on almost a daily basis. Example: One day I might think it's really cool to be roughed up a little (or a lot) ... but the very next day you might find it wise to remember that a reasonably high percentage of girls living in Texas have access to a handgun.

Further complicate the above by understanding that rarely will we ever tell anyone which day is which.

There is no BDSM vs. Gor, or Gor vs. BDSM. There is only how Leonidas sees thing, and how Rover sees thing, and how edana sees things, and how Iron Bear sees things, and how JustaTop sees things, and how Lord and Master sees things, and how Emerald sees things ... each as an individual.

Further complicate the above with people like Caitlyn, who pretty much wake up every day with new ways of seeing things. If she takes a nap in the middle of the day, she probably gets two ways of seeing things for the price of one.

Some people are interested in things because they don't know what they want.

This frustrates those who know what they want. They think these people are being difficult.

They are probably just difficult people.

More likely than not, as soon as they figure out what they want and get it ... they won't want it any more.

You would have never imagined that anyone could be that difficult.

They can be.

SO ... this flaming, and defensiveness FROM BOTH SIDES is just pointless, and is ruining this board for everyone. It is pointless because there really are no sides.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled program, "The Flames of Gor!"

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/11/2005 9:38:59 AM

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Well,it's somewhat to be expected between extremes of rigidity,and total fluidity-that someone is going to get upset over it all.

But it's a board on a kink site-nothing more than that-perhaps we lose our perspective over how much it REALLY impacts us? I often just view people as endlessly amusing creatures. Until they trip the bomb trigger-then it's not funny any more.

But the cultural aspects of this interest me-though I freely admit,I'm not keen on living it. But in any case,I at least try to make some positive contributions,even so.

Rather than simply try to tear it down,out of some misplacesd sense of insecurity with something I don't understand.

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/11/2005 12:05:15 PM

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quote:

We now return you to our regularly scheduled program, "The Flames of Gor!"

Bloody hell caitlyn, what channel are you watching.. I got returned to my regularly scheduled program; "Days of Our Gor ~ 'Like the sand in the hourglass, so runs the days of our Gor.....' ""

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/11/2005 1:11:39 PM

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Greetings..~smiles~

One then might consider ditching the BDSM label, and the Gorean label since the labels themselves are made up. But what then?..yes, more labels will appear, and be just as diverse in how persons practice it, but still remain somewhat bonded and in agreement as to what the new said label means.

Personally i've never taken the (vs) part to insue that people that typed that meant one was being pitted against the other to see which was better. I've only taken it as a way to try and show differences. There are differences in the main headings with alittle less division amongst the people. The real division comes from person to person under either main heading.

People just do what they do..such is life

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/11/2005 4:27:03 PM

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No.

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/11/2005 9:07:32 PM

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Tal..I have learned that not everyone is going to like me. I can not get everyone to understand me, not everyone is going to agree with me. So, I do what I want, and leave those who don't like Gor to do as they wish. If they want to bad mouth Gor there is nothing I can do about them, but ignore them.

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/12/2005 12:45:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn
People that engage in BDSM may think Gor(e) was once the Vice President, and know nothing of it other than that.

Not only I know nothing of it other than that, but I still wonder whether all goreans really enjoy gore movies.

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/12/2005 1:00:06 AM

Guest

Gore was in movies?I thought that was Reagan?

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/12/2005 7:55:28 AM

Nosathro

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Tal

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Not only I know nothing of it other than that, but I still wonder whether all goreans really enjoy gore movies.
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I think they mean horor movies that are very bloody, like "Night of the Living Dead". Actually there were two Gor Movies made. "Gor" is seen on TNT every now and then and "Outlaw of Gor" has not been seen in a long time. Both are really bad movies not just bad Gor.

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/12/2005 7:58:23 AM

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SO ... this flaming, and defensiveness FROM BOTH SIDES is just pointless, and is ruining this board for everyone. It is pointless because there really are no sides.

If you think it's ruining the board for everyone, maybe you'd like to discuss something related to Gor or Goreans (the pupose of this section), instead of posting yet another rant.

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/12/2005 8:47:19 AM

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an INTEREST QUESTION,WHERE WOULD I PLACE MYSELF IN THIS MIX? THIS IS THE PROBLEM I WOULD SAY SOME WHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT ALL.I PRACTICE A MIX OF BOTH BDSM WITH SOME GOR VALUES IN PLACE.IWOULD LOVE TO LIVE THE LIFE THAT JOHN INVISION IN HIS WRITTING BUT THESES DAYS AND TIMES NOT PRACTICAL.of COURSE THESES ARE JUST THE VIEWS OF THIS OLMASTER

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/12/2005 8:54:03 AM

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It's always so fun when a poster does exactly what they are ranting about,is it not?

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/12/2005 8:59:13 AM

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I didn't see so much of a rant - but more of a light observation. I do not see caitlyns post as negative but humourous, and it hit the spot. Lordy - she even mentioned herself in a light hearted way! I thought it was a great post - if we can't all laugh at ourselves sometimes and the whole irony of it all, what can we do?

Complain about posts 'complaining' I guess....

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/12/2005 9:15:41 AM

JustaTop

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Why post something off topic, that only wastes bandwidth?

I don't get it,honestly.

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/12/2005 9:16:10 AM

caitlyn

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And here all this time, I thought it was just sarcasm ... hell, I even directed most of it at myself, just so everyone would get it.

Shows what I know.

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/12/2005 9:18:57 AM

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You have to admit though,many of your posts come across as entirely negative.

Do you have anything useful to contribute-or is it that complaining your fetish?

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/12/2005 9:19:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn
And here all this time, I thought it was just sarcasm ... hell, I even directed most of it at myself, just so everyone would get it.

Shows what I know. [/color]

It's a curse of the cyber world. Without context, voice tone and body language, humor often doesn't come across as well as the poster would hope.

Of course, some opinions are so ossified that "Good Morning" can invoke a flight/fight response.

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/12/2005 9:39:14 AM

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Because its conversation - because its humour - irony and because its about perception.

I don't see caitlyns post as off topic - agreed, it could go in the BDSM Discussion area - but it could belong here equally. Maybe caitlyn assumed wrongly that some of the Goreans would 'get' her post. If anything, I would have said it was a positive post for Gor - it shows that yes - its easy to fight and rant and rave about an alternative section of the community - but so much better to realise we are all different - yup - even herself!

I didnt even see one 'rant' in her post - just her own observations on life... a life that is within this tiny little online world.
Like I said before - we can take life dead seriously all the time, or we can realise that not everyones 'out to get us'. Not everyone hates Gor. Sometimes people have bad days. Sometimes stuff is said that is taken out of context. To observe such things isnt a waste of bandwidth - its a natural response. Why do people have to turn on the girl with comments like shes ranting, or always negative. I saw the post as a positive, light hearted irony.
But then, I am from the UK - so I guess I get irony

It isnt a waste of bandwidth, it was a personal thought. Why cant people look at it and smile, instead of glumly turning from page to page looking for the next person to disagree with?

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/12/2005 9:49:26 AM

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Look there is no "them and us",unless it is chosen to make it so.

I was merely pointing out that the op has a tendency to attack and complain. Not just here,go back through her posting history if you want to see that plainly. It's a pattern of behavior-being judgemental,and claiming to despise that-ie,hypocrasy,that discredits her in posting this.

Now if she had asked something constructive-instead of making it a yet another thinly veiled attack,posing as some not so great humor-it may have been constructive.

Like asking WHY this sort of thing seems to happen-rather then pointing at it derisively ,about how "amusing" these poor deluded creatures are..

The long and short of it,is it's condescending,and disrespectful.

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RE: Gor vs. BDSM? - 10/12/2005 10:06:12 AM

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You say potato....

And I saw Irony.

I could mention how some posts of Yours can be condecending to others. I am sure that some people have thought the same of my posts - Lord Knows I have been accused of arrogance. But putting down the post is one thing - putting down a person is another.

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