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What is Gor? - 10/12/2005 9:26:33 AM   
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So, what is Gor?

I am not really asking about book references or labels or lists - but I had a scan through the links here and cannot actually find anything that explains what Gor is. I see what it means to people, but not its essence. I think that alot of fighting and back biting comes from the fact that people don't actually know about Gor. And some people are lazy yes, and can't be bothered, but then there are people like me or people who are new to wiitwd, who are intrigued, and that is why I am asking.

Is it a Lifestyle?
A way of being?
An existance?
An conscience?
A spiritual connection?

Can You be Gorean, withought knowing Gor?

Why is it that Gor and BDSM are seen as so seperate by some people - In Gor and Outside of Gor and is that closemindedness, or factual? Why is there this perpetual perception that if one is not of Gor but enjoying BDSM, that they are lesser and just not accepting of reality? Why is there this perpetual perception that if one is from Gor, then they are in some fantasy Land that isn't real and can never be real (or so say some non Goreans)?

We all know that there are self opinionated Goreans - just as their are self opinionated Tops and BDSM Dominants or bottoms and slaves.... but isnt that life?
I fail to see why some BDSM people use the excuse of - 'Well Gor is stupid because all the Fantasy Goreans I have ever known are pretentious and look down on me - '' or the other good excuse by some Goreans of - ''They are just not accepting the facts as they stand and so are not being honest with themselves - those delusional BDSMers....'

Why has it come to such a complete them and us situation. Do BDSM practitioners actually know anything about Gor, or is it just the fantasy they know, that has come from internet situations? Do Goreans really view all BDSMers as lost and delusional in their art and therefore just wishy washy judgmental people where all the submissive personalities are in control?

Do you really see Gor as seperate from BDSM ? Isn't it that the truth nearer fiction - like BDSMers keep saying, only they are involved too?
To me, it's just that Gor and BDSM is like Star Trek and SG1.... both are about a journey - both have a conclusion - both get boring if the same story is repeated over and over - ones all gods and prophets and the other is whatever alien from whatever planet - No ones arguing that both StarTrek and SG1 aren't about space - just that some think O'Neil is more commanding that Picard - or visa versa....

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RE: What is Gor? - 10/12/2005 9:58:49 AM   
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I think this is a great post, with many questions I would like to see answered myself. I'll be waiting for what I assume will be many varied answers....

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RE: What is Gor? - 10/12/2005 10:19:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, what an awesome post.. syn would like to see more posts regarding this and hopes to be able to answer some of your questions, or try to anyways. *s*

but one needs sleep right now so will be pondering this as i dream :)

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RE: What is Gor? - 10/12/2005 8:26:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greetings dark~angel,

BDSM and Gor are two completely separate and different things.

A person can live their life by the Gorean principles and philosophies without ever having heard of Gor. For many when they find Gor it is like coming home and finding others who believe and live as they do.
If you are looking for a ten commandments on Gorean beliefs your best bet would be to ask Master Leonidas. Way before this Gorean forum I have read his posts where he patiently and eloquently explained the philosophies and beliefs.
I have never seen any of the Gorean Free I know to make sweeping judgements about big groups of people be they BDSM'ers or anyone else.
I feel you are confusing this with the view that in S/m play a dominant negotiates with a submissive and the submissive sets limits on the play. In this regard the submissive is in control , this is in great contrast to a slave who is property of a Gorean Free person.
BDSM is a big umbrella term for what it is people do be that scening,kinks, fetishes, going to munches , S/m play, or living a 24/7 TPE relationship.
Gor is a set of principles and philosophies that people believe in and live by.

well wishes
kiss

link This is one of the posts I was referring to , in case you could not find this when searching.



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RE: What is Gor? - 10/12/2005 10:00:11 PM   
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Status: online 		Tal So many questions I am not sure where to begin or even if all can be answered. I would say Gor is a conscience. Gorean hold Honor and Respect about all. I do the same, yes someone can also do that and not be called Gorean. Is is a lifestyle...yes, I don't go around in a tunic and carry a sword, but I can follow the philosphy of Gor. In my own life I have focused on my own journey. I have encountered Non Goreans, BDSM who do not like Gor and vise versa. I know I can not change their minds nor do I try. I just continue on my journey in life.

I Wish You Well

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RE: What is Gor? - 10/14/2005 12:33:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Gor is many things that cannot be summed up in a purdy lil box.
Gor goes against the norms of society presently hence this makes it
an Alternate Lifestyle way of living. Gor has many of its aspects that
run on the same lines and kinks of BDSM hence they have a * Brotherhood*
or *Sisterhood* if you will to one anothers Alternate Lifestyle practices.
Gor is a choice of living that select humans find fit their set of beliefs and ways much the same way as any other type of living or belief that a person chooses to live in their life. Gor is also a Fantasy much like any other fantasy that people whom have had no contact to such issues can partake in online or in magazines or book and groups and enjoy such things that fantasies or adult games give to its player. There was a time in Our world when Christianity was also a fantasy story told that took a thousand years to become a welcomed and practiced lifestyle in its many forms based from a book for a sample of what I speak of. Anything that a person has never had contact to will seem wrong and go against what ever it is that they have set in their moral fabric. Just as the Christians of today find Budisum odd or Muslems harsh or anything actually that is not * their way * wrong, this is mostly based off of not fact but the hearsay and formed views of things that are different and not known. Im sure in the past when it was told that there was a being that was not seen that was all mighty over everything there were just as many people who seen this as strange and against the beliefs of the day and yes in those times a story such as a man rising from the dead could of been concidered a alien or a sci fi placement. It is said in the Gor books ( Cronicles ) which could be seen as equal to the bible of Christians, In Gorean the same word is used for both stranger and enemy and I think this same train of thought is true in any way of living where something strange and different is concidered wrong and of the enemy. I never have lived with in what society conciders the norm and have always been outside the box befor Gor surfaced or BDSM but both ways of living fit My Nonconformist visions and ways since birth. We all as People are just trying to live happy with in Our selfs. JMO




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RE: What is Gor? - 10/19/2005 2:10:11 PM   
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RE: What is Gor? - 10/19/2005 2:31:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		good question I wish the answer were as complex exciting and romantic.

Gor is a culture, even a cultural movement. It is based around a philosophy and 'story' (mythology, the mythology found in the Gorean novels) as some cultures are based around religions. The 'why' list you made is pretty easily understood once you consider how almost every culture that's not 'the norm' is despised resented resisted or scorned by people outside of it.

I still think the best analogy is the amish but the mormons are close. Not in their lifestyle but in the way the rest of society looks down their nose at them.

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RE: What is Gor? - 10/19/2005 2:32:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: heytoy001

What would be some good books to learn more about Gorean lifestyle, for someone who knows nothing about it?? Thanks


How about.. hrmm.. the books it's based on?

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RE: What is Gor? - 10/20/2005 11:04:04 AM   
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quote:

Why is it that Gor and BDSM are seen as so seperate by some people

Hello dark~angel,
I'm a slave but in Old Guard BDSM context at this time. I too was and still am very curious about gor.
In reading this section I realize I'm lucky to have a home that mirrors the Gorean concepts more than most BDSM Masters homes. I feel this may be due to my Master being trained for 10 years by a WW II Vetran & his wife from the original thunderbolt group that brought BDSM home to the USA from the war.
The biggest difference I've assumed there is between BDSM & Gor is Gor Masters are not sensation players for the true joy of the sensation. In some Gor homes BDSM play is not even considered. It's being an integrity community oriented Man who has good control over the woman in his life and knows where he fits in his community. It's about dicipline and honor. It seems most Gor Masters whip their women for completely different reasons than BDSM Masters do and mainly as a punishment instead of a pleasure tool. BDSM Masters are more into the energy exchange between themselves and their sub/slave than they are about being part of an Honorable Community lifestyle choice.
Mind you there are exceptions to every rule, so you can't say it's this way for all who find Gor as the path they choose.
Again I'm not really sure what the differences are, but from what I've read this is what I've found to be true in my mind overall.
If anyone disagrees with me I'd feel honored to see the errs of my thought processes.
Sincerely,
sub suzanne

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RE: What is Gor? - 10/21/2005 1:51:29 PM   
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I had read the OP was wondering if there was a book that she might read to learn a little more about the culture of the Goreans.......try and read "The Outlaw Of Gor"...this story is one of compassion,understanding and love......it is a story of how Tarl met a ruthless Tatrix (woman in power) whom had lost all compassion the lives of those below her......after a series of events she was dethroned and placed into servitude......she learned of compassion through Tarl and thier adventures together in this book and she was returned to the throne a much better ruler that she had ever thought........the free women of this town were no longer able ot be in control anymore because the feminist movement from within the city walls had become corrupted through the generations....the moral of the story being is how to rule with comapssion for those that are beneath you.......rule with comapssion not the whip and your slave will become the diamond that you have always searched for

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RE: What is Gor? - 10/21/2005 2:15:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I remember Outlaw,the Tatrix had encouraged feminism to an almost destructive degree-no one was happy under her rule. Her attempt to put women in total control just screwed things up to an inordinate degree. She finally had to deal with a rebellion that stripped her down to nothing, to regain her perspective of humanity.

I think many people have to view that Gor is somehow inhuman,or lacking in compassion. In actuality,they are portrayed as very emotive,and free with that.. As in anything human,there will always be personality extremes. But for those who have read the books,there is also a great deal of love that counterbalances the harsher aspects.

So when I see ALL Gorean men being treated as cruel beasts...it only makes me realize that the one doing that portrayal really never bothered to educate themselves.

And are only really mimicking the libel that travels in meaningless gossip circuits.

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